Poll (CA & US): What is political polarisation driven by?

[Contrarian]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Every time a news story (regardless of topic) comes up, most people weigh in. Not only do they weigh in but they do so with this air of authority, knowledge, and passion. Strange how everyone turns into an expert on Ukraine the instant they became the lead story. And yet prior to that.. most had never read or seen the word, Ukraine, in years. But.. but they are experts. 

It's OK, that will change slowly, but will change, because as trolls took over the internet, others will take to the internet too, to combat in the same short attention span game as they do. Former ideologues, like me, that do not back down from informational manipulators, especially with the Covid-19 topic.

Is easy to play with the internet and data to dismantle uneducated ones that manipulate, especially populists that never travelled outside North America. Some don't even know the top 10 countries in Europe and their capital cities yet the internet allowed some to stand on equal footing with professionals that actually did the work. Sugar. Internet Marxism. 

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[impartialobserver]

8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

It's OK, that will change slowly, but will change, because as trolls took over the internet, others will take to the internet too, to combat in the same short attention span game as they do. Former ideologues, like me, that do not back down from informational manipulators, especially with the Covid-19 topic.

Is easy to play with the internet and data to dismantle uneducated ones that manipulate, especially populists that never travelled outside North America. Some don't even know the top 10 countries in Europe and their capital cities yet the internet allowed some to stand on equal footing with professionals that actually did the work. Sugar. Internet Marxism. 

I think that you are viewing this through too narrow of a lens. Yes, there are trolls. But how do trolls affect those that do not post on internet forums or read the comments on facebook? They are not a small subset of the population. In fact, they probably represent a majority.

Most do not have the time, desire, and patience to battle a disingenuous internet troll that honestly does not want to have a debate and so no matter what you say... they come back with the same nonsense.  

[Contrarian]

10 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

1. I think that you are viewing this through too narrow of a lens. Yes, there are trolls. But how do trolls affect those that do not post on internet forums or read the comments on facebook? 

2. Most do not have the time, desire, and patience to battle a disingenuous internet troll that honestly does not want to have a debate and so no matter what you say

1. I think they do, is hard to quantify it. Information travels like a domino effect. Elon Musk is attempting something with Twitter where he will allow only verified users to get a front seat platform. Will need to look more into what he said, to see where I stand on that one. 

2. I have the time, when Covid-19 happened for me, others became conspiracy theorists, I became troll dismanter, all with official data. I don't really care what they say, swear words, etc, because the target is not them.  People reading are my target, as a matter of fact, I want them to snap, swear, call names, resort to highschool postings, because aside from the comedy show, it just allows reasonable data to respond which wins the argument, always. 

Now, I am not saying that everything the government puts forward is correct, and I am not a big fan of governments myself, however, when an information is straight up manipulation, forces, according to physics will arrive to combat it. 😄

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[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Ok, so your answer was ideology. The first line said it, the rest of the points are just at the high school level. 

I don't think you understand how complex an institution like the FBI is with different spheres of policy thinking, different divisions, etc. 

Do me a favour, attempt to stop talking with Antifa and allow the big boys to dismantle her, you are a gift that keeps giving for the far left. Low IQ, daily. Pollutes the same thread with Covid-19, and what Democrats politicians did. Yes, I know politics is a game and some resort to unorthodox tactics, on both sides. I can find examples opposite to yours, but I won't, because, lazy people do not deserve to engage with them.  Soon, you will only talk to the mirror is my estimation. 

No, my answer was not ideology.

It's not a matter of what they actually believe, it's a matter of what they say and do to achieve their unstated goals. 

The Dems' ideology would be something like: "We can manipulate/fool the poorest Americans with copious amounts of virtue-signalling and hate-mongering to make them believe we care about them, but we really just need their votes so that we can import as much cheap labour as possible (which actually hurts them). 

Regardless, thanks for your low IQ attempt at understanding my post.

[Contrarian]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, my answer was not ideology.

It's not a matter of what they actually believe, it's a matter of what they say and do to achieve their unstated goals. 

The Dems' ideology would be something like: "We can manipulate/fool the poorest Americans with copious amounts of virtue-signalling and hate-mongering to make them believe we care about them, but we really just need their votes so that we can import as much cheap labour as possible (which actually hurts them). 

Yah, this is better, try more on the language and are almost there. Also, not all Democrats are AOC and Bernie Sanders.

So, are all "Dems" the same to you? Are you like Anfifa that calls ALL Republicans the same?

You are so similar, yet you think are different than AntiFa. Oki.

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[impartialobserver]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

1. I think they do, is hard to quantify it. Information travels like a domino effect. Elon Musk is attempting something with Twitter where he will allow only verified users to get a front seat platform. Will need to look more into what he said, to see where I stand on that one. 

2. I have the time, when Covid-19 happened for me, others became conspiracy theorists, I became troll dismanter, all with official data. I don't really care what they say, swear words, etc, because the target is not them.  People reading are my target, as a matter of fact, I want them to snap, swear, call names, resort to highschool postings, because aside from the comedy show, it just allows reasonable data to respond which wins the argument, always. 

Now, I am not saying that everything the government puts forward is correct, and I am not a big fan of governments myself, however, when an information is straight up manipulation, forces, according to physics will arrive to combat it. 😄

Lets go beyond just you and your crusade against the internet troll.

We have Joe Blow in Cranbrook BC who will never frequent a forum like this. Their social media consumption is light. They scan over but do not take deep dives into any issue (as opposed to you). in the past, they had to get the newspaper and read only one account of something... maybe two. Well, now there are vastly more media sources and so they encounter more stories and more opinions/views of that story. Well, Joe Blow, does not want to be honest and state the honest truth... they know little about the topic and are mostly indifferent. No, they need to have a strong, unwavering opinion.. even if that opinion stays in their mind and is never conveyed to social media or a forum like this. These types are more common than we like to admit. 

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Also, not all Democrats are AOC and Bernie Sanders.

So, are all "Dems" the same to you? Are you like Anfifa that calls ALL Republicans the same?

You are so similar, yet you think are different than AntiFa. Oki.

Your illiteracy and stupidity are on full display again. I'd stop if I was you, but whatever.

1) Of course not all Dems are the same - stop trying to use a generality as a rebuttal - but the chosen leaders of a group are by far the best indicator of who the group is as a whole.

For the most part the Dems chose people like Hillary, Biden, Harris, Schiff, and Schumer as their leaders, and the noobs are people who all chose to join that group, so that's exactly who/what they all basically are. The MSM is in lock step. 

2) You and Antifa are actually both far left, you're only fighting because you're so similar. Snakes eating snakes... 

[Contrarian]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Your illiteracy and stupidity are on full display again. I'd stop if I was you, but whatever.

1) Of course not all Dems are the same - stop trying to use a generality as a rebuttal - but the chosen leaders of a group are by far the best indicator of who the group is as a whole.

For the most part the Dems chose people like Hillary, Biden, Harris, Schiff, and Schumer as their leaders, and the noobs are people who all chose to join that group, so that's exactly who/what they all basically are. The MSM is in lock step. 

2) You and Antifa are actually both far left, you're only fighting because you're so similar. Snakes eating snakes... 

The low level machine poster of the board hits again.

Sorry, but you are the one that assissted FSB Communists in the Ukrainian thread because you take issues with the West. 

so, evidence, shows that you are closer to a communist mindset. They can brainwash you easily.

Now, you will tell me that I am of the communist mindset, that's all you can do, you surround him with data and logic, he just says opposite to what I say MINUS (-) the data and logic.

A gift that keeps giving this Canadian MAGA man.

Will not read the other stuff you posted, lazy people don't deserve engagement.

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[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Key words that trigger strong emotions, are likeliest to make your video viral.

Kind of.

The Dems never let a good tragedy go to waste, but their MSM is really careful to omit keywords when necessary because they have an insane amount of political clout when tied to a highly emotional story: emotional stories create lasting memories and impressions.

Take a look at this story, updated today, and you'll notice how CNN choose to not use keywords: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/28/us/covenant-school-shooting-nashville-tennessee-tuesday/index.html

A casual reader, who didn't check out the whole article, wouldn't even have noticed the shooter was trans. If that was a cisgender white male you'd know that right away. If they ever posted a pro-Trump meme that would be in the opening paragraph, maybe even the title. 

Conversely, if that trans person won an award for humanitarianism, the whole article would have been about their sexual identity. 

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[Perspektiv]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Take a look at this story, updated today, and you'll notice how CNN

Fox and CNN are notorious for this.

Kind of like when a man drove his car through a parade, killing several. 

He was black, and this went against CNN's narrative that all was racist. 

So they got mocked for writing their story as if the car had run over people. 

Its sad, and the story shouldn't be about black men being dangerous, which I get they want to avoid. But you also can't lie by omission and call yourself news.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Fox and CNN are notorious for this.

Kind of like when a man drove his car through a parade, killing several. 

He was black, and this went against CNN's narrative that all was racist. 

So they got mocked for writing their story as if the car had run over people. 

Its sad, and the story shouldn't be about black men being dangerous, which I get they want to avoid. But you also can't lie by omission and call yourself news.

 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Kind of.

The Dems never let a good tragedy go to waste, but their MSM is really careful to omit keywords when necessary because they have an insane amount of political clout when tied to a highly emotional story: emotional stories create lasting memories and impressions.

Take a look at this story, updated today, and you'll notice how CNN choose to not use keywords: https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/28/us/covenant-school-shooting-nashville-tennessee-tuesday/index.html

A casual reader, who didn't check out the whole article, wouldn't even have noticed the shooter was trans. If that was a cisgender white male you'd know that right away. If they ever posted a pro-Trump meme that would be in the opening paragraph, maybe even the title. 

Conversely, if that trans person won an award for humanitarianism, the whole article would have been about their sexual identity. 

GUNS GUNS GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS GUNS GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS GUNS GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER trans GUNS GUNS GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS GUNS GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER GUNS SCHOOL SHOOTER

The gender or gender status of the shooter is only a headline-level issue for the transphobic. The only way being trans becomes really important to this story is if it's revealed that things happened at that school that contribute to motive. If the faculty, staff or students at that school were abusive toward Hale because she was trans and she came back for her deranged version of revenge then being trans is key to the story. 

But other than that it's as irrelevant as any other sexual detail of a shooter's life. None of the headlines say "Gay shooter..." "Straight shooter..." "Cis shooter..." etc. 

That headline is correctly focused on the mental health problem. 

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[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

That headline is correctly focused on the mental health problem. 

So why is it when a cop shoots a black person who tried to say, grab their gun, they focus on race and not the crime committed?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Fox and CNN are notorious for this.

Kind of like when a man drove his car through a parade, killing several. 

He was black, and this went against CNN's narrative that all was racist. 

So they got mocked for writing their story as if the car had run over people. 

Its sad, and the story shouldn't be about black men being dangerous, which I get they want to avoid. But you also can't lie by omission and call yourself news.

I don't think that anyone tried to present it as a case of "black men being dangerous". 

Even from the perspective of the most political, rabid conservative people out there, it was a case of a guy being propagandized to the point where he snapped.

"Blackness" has nothing at all to do with a desire to run over women and children. People have to be taught to be that hateful. And I think that the push is on in the US. 

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So why is it when a cop shoots a black person who tried to say, grab their gun, they focus on race and not the crime committed?

If you think about the way those stories play out, it's almost like the leftist gov'ts and the MSM are trying to coach black people to get shot by police.

Rayshard is a perfect example of a guy who committed a very real crime that was serious enough to warrant an arrest. Drunk driving kills 30 people every day in the US, and when a healthy 27 yr old like Rayshard is drunk enough to fall asleep behind the wheel at 10:30 pm (while stopped at a drive-thru) he needs to be arrested. He blew .108, which is drunk enough where he should have known better than to drive, but probably not enough where he should have passed out, so there's a good chance that he was stoned as well. He needed to be taken in for a blood test, because that's the law and it's there to protect the innocent.

In any event, the police were nice as pie, so was Rayshard, until the moment he blew .108, then all hell broke loose when the cops went to cuff him.

That right there should have been a teachable moment. The MSM and parents across the country should have told their kids "That's the exact thing that you don't do - put a cop in a position where they have to defend themselves."

But instead the Dems and MSM played out some weird narrative that what he did was understandable and the cops should have just let him run. If someone told my kid that I'd punch them in the face in that instant. You don't put decades of love and support into your children just to have them make such a poor decision in that moment. It's like telling them to flip off gang bangers. Effing never. Regardless of the outcome, it was just a stupid, unnecessary chance to take. 

Yeah, it might have been a parole violation and it might have cost Rayshard days, weeks, or even months in jail if he had just politely gone along with the arrest, but we never would have heard of him, and his kids would be bouncing on his lap right now. 

One of the most infuriating things that leftists do is just coach people to f with the police. I bet you anything that Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters don't tell their own kids to punch cops and then steal their taser and shoot it at them. 

[Hodad]

55 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

So why is it when a cop shoots a black person who tried to say, grab their gun, they focus on race and not the crime committed?

The long history of police brutality and excessive force against Black people in the US means that the racial dynamics of those involved is always an issue. People are always on guard. It's always questioned as, if not a pure motive, a contributing factor.

It's a fact that Blacks face prejudice at every level of the justice system. Even normalizing for the exact same crime, Blacks are more likely to be stopped, arrested, tried and convicted. And when convicted they are likely to receive harsher sentences. Again, that's normalizing for the same offense, apples to apples 

When that ceases to be the case, people will stop paying such close attention to the race of the races of characters in these stories.

There is no such history or parallel to be made with trans people and mass shootings--or committing any other kind of violence. No relevant pattern. -- Rather, trans people are much more likely to be targeted for violence. And indeed if a trans person had been targeted, we'd all be wondering if the fact of being trans was the reason. Because that is a pattern.