impartialobserver Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, blackbird said: Out of respect for the people who do believe and as an example of what is right. Again, I am a lifelong atheist. When I visit the in-laws, they do prayer and grace. Do I raise a fit? Not in the least. Does it change my beliefs? Not an iota. My lack of beliefs is unwavering and I care not in the least what anyone thinks of it. If I was at this funeral.. I would have not have thought twice about it either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Some globalist, multiculturalist liberals or leftists don't want a Christian prayer to be made in public, but these same liberals gladly force the taxpayers to pay 35 million dollars for a Papal public relations visit to and around Canada by one of the world's largest religions. Nah, say Jesus all you want. But, if you say Jesus, you have to say Allah, Buddha, Vishnu and Satan as well…. That’s how living in a pluralistic society works, which you said you were in favour of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: We didn't. And you are aware of that. You simply repeat the lie. We did spend 20 million on security etc. If you were going to complain about something that would at least be something spent "ON" him. But the 35 billion was not spent on his trip. And his trip was not religious - it was political. It was an apology to the first nations for things done under the church's watch. So - it's money given to the natives so they could address a political issue. You are lying. You know you're lying, this has all been pointed out before and yet you pretend that we paid for his visit. We did not, other than the security etc we do for any visiting dignitary. Does your bible command you to lie? All you can do is accuse me lying which shows your character. Seems like you are out of control and not someone anyone can have a civilized conversation with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, TreeBeard said: Nah, say Jesus all you want. But, if you say Jesus, you have to say Allah, Buddha, Vishnu and Satan as well…. That’s how living in a pluralistic society works, which you said you were in favour of. People can believe or support whatever religion they want on their own. But in a public event, officials should not be promoting every religion in the world. Canada is a Christian-founded nation coming from British North America. Are you a Catholic or a Muslim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 1 minute ago, blackbird said: People can believe or support whatever religion they want on their own. But in a public event, officials should not be promoting every religion in the world. Canada is a Christian-founded nation coming from British North America. Are you a Catholic or a Muslim? If they shouldn’t promote every religion, then they shouldn’t promote any religion. Canada has no official state religion. Edited March 29 by TreeBeard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Again, I am a lifelong atheist. When I visit the in-laws, they do prayer and grace. Do I raise a fit? Not in the least. Does it change my beliefs? Not an iota. My lack of beliefs is unwavering and I care not in the least what anyone thinks of it. If I was at this funeral.. I would have not have thought twice about it either way. At least you declare you're an atheist and that is the reason why you don't care. I understand where you're coming from. It makes no difference to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: If they shouldn’t promote every religion, then they shouldn’t promote any religion. Canada has no official state religion. Doesn't have to have an official "state religion". That doesn't change the fact that Canada's history is Judeo-Christian and our system is built on that fact. Like it or not, that's the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: If they shouldn’t promote every religion, then they shouldn’t promote any religion. Canada has no official state religion. What is your religious background? Muslim or Buddhist or ? Edited March 29 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 27 minutes ago, blackbird said: All you can do is accuse me lying which shows your character. Seems like you are out of control and not someone anyone can have a civilized conversation with. He is not the only one accusing you. While you may not like it. The Pope is a world leader and gets the same respect, pomp and ceremony any other political gets. While I do not agree with CdnFox on many things, he is right and it is you that seems out of control with your constant christian banter and demonizing of those that do not agree with you. You are the worst kind of religious zealot. Using the funeral of police officer heros to further your christian ideals. You are a shame to chrisians and religion in general. Edited March 29 by ExFlyer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: If they shouldn’t promote every religion, then they shouldn’t promote any religion. Canada has no official state religion. Like it or not, Canada was colonized by the settlers who Catholic and Protestant from Europe, who claimed to be Christian. That is a simple fact of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, blackbird said: Like it or not, Canada was colonized by the settlers who Catholic and Protestant from Europe, who claimed to be Christian. That is a simple fact of history. So? AFAIK Catholics and Protestants have very different ways, in which they pray. In Ontario and Quebec, Catholics seem to have way more sway, politically? Does that annoy you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You are the worst kind of religious zealot. You prove you are very intolerant of people like myself who hold religious beliefs, particularly Biblical. If I was a heathen talking about Islam, Hinduism, aboriginal Mother Earth religion, you would be fine with that. But Biblical beliefs irk you because your conscience is pricked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 29 minutes ago, blackbird said: All you can do is accuse me lying which shows your character. All you can do is lie, which shows a hell of a lot more about yours. 29 minutes ago, blackbird said: Seems like you are out of control and not someone anyone can have a civilized conversation with. You repeat a lie that is verifiably a lie again and again - and you claim someone ELSE is out of control and incapable of a civilized conversation? Just stop lying. You're making baby jesus cry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 26 minutes ago, blackbird said: Doesn't have to have an official "state religion". That doesn't change the fact that Canada's history is Judeo-Christian and our system is built on that fact. Like it or not, that's the way it is. Judeo? I’m not sure the Jewish people had much part in the founding of Canada. I am more than willing to acknowledge that Canada was founded by Christians. Church of England, to be exact. Are you saying that Canada should only be promoting the Church of England doctrines and prayers? You know…. because of history. But, while I acknowledge Canada was founded by Christians, that doesn’t mean Canada is static. It doesn’t mean that it should never change. We’re making history right now. And, right now, Canada is a secular, pluralistic society with no state religion. Edited March 29 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Boges said: In Ontario and Quebec, Catholics seem to have way more sway, politically? Does that annoy you? No, why should it annoy me.? That's just a fact of life. The world is what it is. Bible believes learned from the Bible the way the world is and we understand the Bible says we are in the world but not part of the world. Being part of the world system is a losing proposition. It means millions are heading for a lost eternity if you accept what the Bible says at face value. If you want to be saved, you must be born again. John ch3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: All you can do is lie, which shows a hell of a lot more about yours. You repeat a lie that is verifiably a lie again and again - and you claim someone ELSE is out of control and incapable of a civilized conversation? Just stop lying. You're making baby jesus cry. They crucified Jesus because they thought he was a fraud. He warned the world would treat his followers that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: You prove you are very intolerant of people like myself who hold religious beliefs, particularly Biblical. If I was a heathen talking about Islam, Hinduism, aboriginal Mother Earth religion, you would be fine with that. But Biblical beliefs irk you because your conscience is pricked. Yes, you are correct, I am very intolerant of people like you. I am very tolerant of people hold religious beliefs, particularly christian, Jewish, Islam, Hindu, buddihsm and aboriginal Mother Earth religion amongst others. It is people like you though, that give all religions a bad name and taste in their consciousness. You drive more people away form religious beliefs than you gather. Edited March 29 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, blackbird said: No, why should it annoy me.? That's just a fact of life. The world is what it is. Bible believes learned from the Bible the way the world is and we understand the Bible says we are in the world but not part of the world. Being part of the world system is a losing proposition. It means millions are heading for a lost eternity if you accept what the Bible says at face value. If you want to be saved, you must be born again. John ch3. Well you seem annoyed when people pray wrong so. . . Since a lot of Catholic Doctrine came about long after Jesus lived, and the Bible was written, I suspect you have strong opinions on them. I certainly do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, blackbird said: They crucified Jesus because they thought he was a fraud. He warned the world would treat his followers that way. Did they crucify him because he was a liar? Because that's what you're doing. No fraud involved, you're just lying. Did jesus die because he was a liar? And are you suggesting that lying is an inherent part of christian belief? Buddy - god or no god, a grown ass man should know better than to lie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: And, right now, Canada is a secular, pluralistic society with no state religion. That's fine. I never said it should have a state religion. I am not in favour of a state religion. But like many countries, there is a culture of one kind or another. Canada's culture is historically Christian. Some or Muslim, some Hindu (India), some Buddhist, etc. Canada's is Christian culture and should remain so. We should not be forced to change by the woke, progressive liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Judeo? I’m not sure the Jewish people had much part in the founding of Canada. I believe that it's put forward as being 'judeo-christian' because christian values sort of flowed from the jewish values that came before it. There are large hunks of the christian bible that predate christ and are basically jewish after all At least i believe that's where the term comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yes, you are correct, I am very intolerant of people like you. I am very tolerant of people hold religious beliefs, particularly christian, Jewish, Islam, Hindu, buddihsm and aboriginal Mother Earth religion amongst others. It is people like you though, that give all religions a bad name and taste in their consciousness. You drive more people away form religious beliefs than you gather. And that is what Jesus said it would be like. That's why they threw countless Christians to the lions in the Roman Empire in the early centuries. That's why Rome persecuted millions of people down through the centuries for being heretics. You prove what side you're on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I believe that it's put forward as being 'judeo-christian' because christian values sort of flowed from the jewish values that came before it. There are large hunks of the christian bible that predate christ and are basically jewish after all At least i believe that's where the term comes from. Funny term…. I thought Christians used that term when they wanted to be inclusive of Jews. Otherwise, why not just say “Christian”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: Canada's culture is historically Christian. Historically, yes. Absolutely. But that was the past. It’s a bold new Canada where it’s pluralistic, which you said you were in favour of. If you were truly in favour of pluralism, you wouldn’t be advocating for Canada to only be a “Christian nation”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yes, you are correct, I am very intolerant of people like you. That says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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