OftenWrong Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 3 hours ago, SkyHigh said: Like I said I spent some time up north (you chose to ignore this) and spent some time with the Dene they had oral traditions going back hundreds of years about migration , they told these stories to archeologists who went to the places they mentioned and found proof. Now that alone offers more scientific evidence then the entire bible Back on topic. Thank you for giving this clear example of "indigenous knowledge". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 On 3/27/2023 at 12:44 PM, SkyHigh said: "Yet apparently nobody is able to define what indigenous knowledge is." Let me try and explain this to someone with your specific beliefs. The knowledge of the indigenous is much like your Bible, a bunch of oral traditions passed on from generation to generation. The difference is the indigenous knowledge pre dates what your bible claims to be the beginning of time and has not suffered from as much political interference in the last few thousand years Younger Canadians have no issue with believing something NOT based in Science, or hard medical facts it is how they role today, Facts have very little to do with there narrative, They have no issue seeing Christians beliefs as nonsense, but can embrace things like indigenous oral traditions, or one million genders, or men can get pregnant or breast feed, then there is critical race theory, or the fact Canada is institutional racist , and all white people are racist or have some sort of privilege's and should be somehow made to pay for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) The Reformation led to freedom of conscience and beliefs in the countries where it succeeded. That led to democracy and human rights in Europe and then north America. These things never happened in the countries where there was no Reformation like Spain, Portugal, Italy, central and south America. They pretty well remained in darkness in many areas even to today. Communist revolutions were common. Totalitarianism in Spain. Honduras just now is establishing close relations with Communist China and cut off relations with Taiwan. Edited March 28 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 If indigenous knowledge goes against science or facts then it isn't knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, blackbird said: Bible-believing churches don't believe that either. I am not sure where you got that idea, but evangelical churches do not believe that kind of thing. We got the idea because you keep saying your Bible is infallibly correct. Word for word. Please make up your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, blackbird said: But the Bible does not impose any particular day as a holy day on Christians and it actually speaks against it. It's just one of the ten commandments, which Jesus and his troupe followed. All jews did/do that. Jesus was jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It's just one of the ten commandments, which Jesus and his troupe followed. All jews did/do that. Jesus was jewish. Keeping the Sabbath only applied to the Jews during the age of the Law which ended when Christ was crucified on the cross. Christians are not under that command since the crucifixion. "16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: {in meat…: or, for eating and drinking} {respect: or, part} 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Colossians 2:16, 17 KJV " The Christian community as a whole does not keep the Sabbath because it was a part of the legal requirements of the Law, and according to the New Testament the Christian today is not under such legal requirements like circumcision, Sabbath keeping, even tithing. Instead, we are to produce the righteousness of the Law, the character of Christ, through the Spirit (see Rom. 6:14; 7:1-8:13; 2 Cor. 3:4-18; Gal. 3-5). Further, there are no commandments or exhortations in the New Testament for us to keep the Sabbath. Rather, the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection. This is evident throughout the book of Acts (cf. also 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:7). Acts 20:7 is the clearest verse in the New Testament which indicates that Sunday was the normal meeting day of the apostolic church. Paul stayed in Troas for seven days (v. 6) and the church met on the first day of the week." Why do Christians worship on Sunday instead of the Sabbath? | Bible.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 15 minutes ago, blackbird said: Keeping the Sabbath only applied to the Jews during the age of the Law which ended when Christ was crucified on the cross. Christians are not under that command since the crucifixion. "16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: {in meat…: or, for eating and drinking} {respect: or, part} 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Colossians 2:16, 17 KJV " The Christian community as a whole does not keep the Sabbath because it was a part of the legal requirements of the Law, and according to the New Testament the Christian today is not under such legal requirements like circumcision, Sabbath keeping, even tithing. Instead, we are to produce the righteousness of the Law, the character of Christ, through the Spirit (see Rom. 6:14; 7:1-8:13; 2 Cor. 3:4-18; Gal. 3-5). Further, there are no commandments or exhortations in the New Testament for us to keep the Sabbath. Rather, the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection. This is evident throughout the book of Acts (cf. also 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:7). Acts 20:7 is the clearest verse in the New Testament which indicates that Sunday was the normal meeting day of the apostolic church. Paul stayed in Troas for seven days (v. 6) and the church met on the first day of the week." Why do Christians worship on Sunday instead of the Sabbath? | Bible.org Thats all good you agree with that, but doesn't refute the fact Jesus kept the sabbath Shabat, Saturday The Romans moved it to Sunday to appease the sun worshippers. Therafter they kept the sabbath for like 1700 years. Now if somebody convinced you that it wasn't necessary anymore, it being modern times and all, I'm ok with that. Not trying to correct you. Just my opinion, if you're a christian should do what Jesus does. Not whats told you, by the son of man. You might be fooled by the antichrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 The federal Liberals are incapable of balancing a budget. Like someone who eats to lose weight, this government spends to lower inflation and debt. It’s a recipe for disaster, but it comes from a government that hands control of our country to foreign governments and believes that debts take care of themselves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 29 Author Report Share Posted March 29 12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: but doesn't refute the fact Jesus kept the sabbath When Jesus was alive on earth, they were still under the Old Testament law which is why he kept the Sabbath. When he was crucified that all ended and the age of grace began, which is what the Church is under. As already explained, that means we are in a different dispensation and no longer under the Sabbath laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 26 minutes ago, blackbird said: the early church gathered on the first day of the week in celebration and remembrance of the resurrection. This is evident throughout the book of Acts (cf. also 1 Cor. 16:2 and Acts 20:7). Acts 20:7 is the clearest verse in the New Testament which indicates th Sounds like excuses and lies told by Saul of Tarsus, that great romanizer of Christ, whom Peter and James disputed against, who made christianity into a civilized thing, Organized Religion, Christianity Inc. In so doing allowed the Romans to continue their rule, including bringing on the inquisition that you hate, in his name no less. That is the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 15 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Back on topic. Thank you for giving this clear example of "indigenous knowledge". Northern Canada is an amazing place with some incredible people, it's so interesting to meet people from the same country that grew up with different traditions, history, spiritually etc... Than that of western Europeans And during the summer you can tee off at 9pm and still shoot 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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