Poll: Utah becomes first state to sign law limiting kids' social media use. Do you agree?

[Contrarian]

Utah became the first state to enact legislation that restricts children and teens from using social media without their parent's consent.

Driving the news: Gov. Spencer Cox (R) signed two bills into law aimed at limiting when and where anyone younger than 18 years old can interact online, and to stop companies from luring minors to certain websites.

Details: Under the law that's due to take effect on March 1, 2024, social media companies will have to instate a curfew for minors in the state, barring them from using their accounts from 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/24/utah-limit-kids-social-media

Do you agree? 

[Michael Hardner]

You need to listen to this and read this to see the most significant work in this area:

https://socialmediaandpolitics.org/episodes/

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/national-security-center/incubator/natsec-tech/social-media-the-canary-in-the-coal-mine/

It's a fascinating look into what is coming, ie. regulation

[Contrarian]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You need to listen to this and read this to see the most significant work in this area:

https://socialmediaandpolitics.org/episodes/

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/national-security-center/incubator/natsec-tech/social-media-the-canary-in-the-coal-mine/

It's a fascinating look into what is coming, ie. regulation

Thank you Michael, will read it and respond in 1-2 days with the Contrarian Report. 😎

[reason10]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Utah became the first state to enact legislation that restricts children and teens from using social media without their parent's consent.

Driving the news: Gov. Spencer Cox (R) signed two bills into law aimed at limiting when and where anyone younger than 18 years old can interact online, and to stop companies from luring minors to certain websites.

Details: Under the law that's due to take effect on March 1, 2024, social media companies will have to instate a curfew for minors in the state, barring them from using their accounts from 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/24/utah-limit-kids-social-media

Do you agree? 

This is the problem when you left wingers depend on unreliable left wing OPINION RAGS instead of going to the source. If you get a story from some source, all you have to do (when it involves a state law) is to go to that state's statutes and look up the law. Some times your left wing source might actually take the time to cite the name of the bill.

https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0152.html

This bill:
13          ▸     defines terms;
14          ▸     enacts the Utah Social Media Regulation Act;
15          ▸     requires a social media company to verify the age of a Utah resident seeking to
16     maintain or open a social media account;
17          ▸     requires a social media company to obtain the consent of a parent or guardian before
18     a Utah resident under the age of 18 may maintain or open an account;
19          ▸     prohibits a social media company from permitting a Utah resident to open an
20     account if that person does not meet age requirements under state or federal law;
21          ▸     requires that for accounts held by a Utah minor, certain social media companies:
22               •     shall prohibit direct messaging with certain accounts;
23               •     may not show the minor's account in search results;
24               •     may not display advertising;
25               •     may not collect, share, or use personal information from the account, with
26     certain exceptions;
27               •     may not target or suggest ads, accounts, or content; and
28               •     shall limit hours of access, subject to parental or guardian direction;
29          ▸     requires a social media company to provide a parent or guardian access to the

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30     content and interactions of an account held by a Utah resident under the age of 18;
31          ▸     directs the Division of Consumer Protection to receive and investigate complaints
32     of violations of the requirements established under the act and impose
33     administrative fines for violations;
34          ▸     authorizes the division to seek enforcement through an injunction, civil penalties,
35     and other relief through the judicial process;
36          ▸     requires fines and civil penalties to be deposited into the Consumer Protection
37     Education and Training Fund;
38          ▸     requires an annual report from the division;
39          ▸     authorizes a private right of action to collect attorney fees and damages from a
40     social media company for harm incurred in relation to a violation of the
41     requirements established by the act;
42          ▸     prohibits certain waivers; and
43          ▸     provides a severability clause.

More details are available.

From your source:

Details: Under the law that's due to take effect on March 1, 2024, social media companies will have to instate a curfew for minors in the state, barring them from using their accounts from 10:30pm to 6:30am.

From the actual law:

 13-63-105. Limited hours of access for minors -- Parental access and options.
308          (1) Beginning March 1, 2024, a social media company shall prohibit a Utah minor
309     account holder from having access to the Utah minor account holder's account during the hours

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310     of 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m., unless the access is modified according to another requirement of
311     this section.

Gee! That "unless the access is modified" bit was important, but not to fake news rags like Axios.

Your best bet is to ALWAYS go to the source.

 

[reason10]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You need to listen to this and read this to see the most significant work in this area:

https://socialmediaandpolitics.org/episodes/

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/national-security-center/incubator/natsec-tech/social-media-the-canary-in-the-coal-mine/

It's a fascinating look into what is coming, ie. regulation

And yet you liberals screamed bloody murder when LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP signed a bunch of DEregulations, which expanded our economy to record heights for the 21st Century.

And you don't seem to have a problem with UNELECTED JOE signing a bunch of REGULATIONS that have tanked the economy.

But I guess state regulation of MINORS is just too much to ask.

I guess we should also allow MINORS to buy firearms, cigarettes, booze, etc.

[reason10]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

So, is Axios working against the great state of Utah? 😄

In other words, you have blue state reading skills. You haven't read my responses and you haven't read the bill. You wouldn't make it out of a Florida third grade class.

[Contrarian]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

You haven't read my responses

I had read your responses, however, is hard for me to engage critically with a man from the Great State of Florida, when that man supports MAGA against his own governor, because oh, MAGA.

Once, you do the right thing, then we will debate like reasonable men. 😄

[impartialobserver]

Being someone that works in technology... this seems like something that will be very difficult to enforce. It will work on some that are not as tech savvy but I can think of many ways around this already. 

[reason10]

Boys and girls, unless you live in the state of Utah, most of this is none of your business, except to opine on an (as usual) show your colossal ignorance. To bring you up to speed on reality, the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEGISLATURE of the state of Utah passed the bill and the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNOR of the state of Utah signed the bill. It is how the state of Utah wants to handle minors using social media.

One of the things a teacher and a substitute teacher in Florida is made aware of these days upon hire is the school's BULLYING HOTLINE. A few years ago, young Jeffrey Johnson (of Cape Coral) was bullied so much that he went into his closet and hung himself. This law was passed as a result.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2018/1006.147

ALL of us have to take LONG tutorials on this subject to understand it. (I have an Associate's degree in Paralegal Studies, so I knew where to look for the law.) A couple of times, I've had students (all in elementary schools) come to me complaining about bullying. It was during lunch, and I walked them right to the principal's office and told them to spill out every detail for the Bullying Hotline. No principal ever gave me grief about whether or not the kid's bullying was real or him/her just having a tantrum.  Every principal thanked me for my rapid response.

That is how the state of Florida handles a very dangerous aspect of social media involving minors. And because a lot of classes are online and a lot of teachers expect homework assignments to be sent to their social media site, there is no such curfew in the state of Florida.

I strongly suspect that the curfew exception in Utah has to do with a similar subject in education.

[reason10]

8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I had read your responses, however, is hard for me to engage critically with a man from the Great State of Florida, when that man supports MAGA against his own governor, because oh, MAGA.

Once, you do the right thing, then we will debate like reasonable men. 😄

You DIDN'T read my response because there was ZERO language about Axios working against the state of UTAH. That just spewed from your uneducated piehole. 

MAGA has nothing to do with this discussion, which proves once again that goose stepping left wingers do not have the mental capacity to focus on a subject without changing that subject after losing an argument.

You LIED about my claiming Axios works against the state of UTAH. I pointed out how Axios was lazy in its reporting.

I do the right thing in every post. But I don't let you goose steppers get away with lying. I always call you on it. And if you can't handle losing an argument, what the hell are you doing at a political message board?

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Utah became the first state to enact legislation that restricts children and teens from using social media without their parent's consent.

Driving the news: Gov. Spencer Cox (R) signed two bills into law aimed at limiting when and where anyone younger than 18 years old can interact online, and to stop companies from luring minors to certain websites.

Details: Under the law that's due to take effect on March 1, 2024, social media companies will have to instate a curfew for minors in the state, barring them from using their accounts from 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/24/utah-limit-kids-social-media

Do you agree? 

Without parents' consent? Yes. 

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[Contrarian]

17 minutes ago, reason10 said:

You LIED about my claiming Axios works against the state of UTAH. I pointed out how Axios was lazy in its reporting.

I see, so Axios was lazy in the reporting. 

I will send them an e-mail reasonx10 said it.

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[reason10]

Just now, Contrarian said:

I see, so Axios was lazy in the reporting. 

I will send them an e-mail reasonx10 said it. 

I proved that laziness with the ACTUAL STATUTES.

Are you too lazy and stupid to read the ACTUAL STATUES?

Maybe you should write for Axios.

[Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I proved that laziness with the ACTUAL STATUTES.

Are you too lazy and stupid to read the ACTUAL STATUES?

Maybe you should write for Axios.

No, is just that your reputation is so low, is hard for me to pay attention to your text, more than a few seconds or I think you are manipulating somehow. 

Is like sending data to recycle bin automatically. Like a broken clock, you might find a hole once in a while that you are right on. 

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[reason10]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

No, is just that your reputation is so low, is hard for me to pay attention to your text, more than a few seconds. 

Is like sending data to recycle bin automatically. Like a broken clock, you might find a hole once in a while that you are right on. 

First of all (and this is where I keep getting reminded of the reason why I don't take on kindergarten sub assignments) I DON'T EXIST IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. YOU DON'T  EXIST EITHER, TINKER BELL.

Earth to schitt for brains. THIS PLACE IS JUST TEXT AND IDEAS.

As far as a reputation goes, I hardly think it matters what a bunch of lazy, goose stepping Hitler Youth liberals think about me at this forum, because NONE OF THEM EXIST EITHER. There are some people with jobs here as well (you call us Conservatives), so your !diotic attempt to bring up "reputation" leads me closer to the idea that you dropped out of the third grade in a BLUE STATE elementary school.

To bring it down to YOUR inferior blue state quasi education can understand.

RX IS RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.

And I don't if any of your goose steppers is triggered by that FACT.

[Contrarian]

8 minutes ago, reason10 said:

First of all (and this is where I keep getting reminded of the reason why I don't take on kindergarten sub assignments) I DON'T EXIST IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. YOU DON'T  EXIST EITHER, TINKER BELL.

Earth to schitt for brains. THIS PLACE IS JUST TEXT AND IDEAS.

As far as a reputation goes, I hardly think it matters what a bunch of lazy, goose stepping Hitler Youth liberals think about me at this forum, because NONE OF THEM EXIST EITHER. There are some people with jobs here as well (you call us Conservatives), so your !diotic attempt to bring up "reputation" leads me closer to the idea that you dropped out of the third grade in a BLUE STATE elementary school.

To bring it down to YOUR inferior blue state quasi education can understand.

RX IS RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.

And I don't if any of your goose steppers is triggered by that FACT.

 Between Axios and reasonx10. 😄

The Verdict is In. 

The winner is:     AXIOS. 

Score:     Axios - reasonx10    1000 - 1.  (1 point for reason as he brought up some point). 😄

Don't talk about education and achievement,  you get money from Uncle Sugar. Some of us actually work in the private sector and do provide a product or service, something that you probably know nothing about. 😄

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@Michael Hardner will read that material and reply in a few days like promised, as the tractor noise is getting loud now. 

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[reason10]

23 hours ago, Contrarian said:

 Between Axios and reasonx10. 😄

The Verdict is In. 

The winner is:     AXIOS. 

Score:     Axios - reasonx10    1000 - 1.  (1 point for reason as he brought up some point). 😄

Don't talk about education and achievement,  you get money from Uncle Sugar. Some of us actually work in the private sector and do provide a product or service, something that you probably know nothing about. 😄

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@Michael Hardner will read that material and reply in a few days like promised, as the tractor noise is getting loud now. 

In other words, STUPIDITY from things that don't exist.

[TreeBeard]

Should unenforceable laws ever be implemented?

[Nationalist]

On 3/24/2023 at 12:42 PM, Contrarian said:

No, is just that your reputation is so low, is hard for me to pay attention to your text, more than a few seconds or I think you are manipulating somehow. 

Is like sending data to recycle bin automatically. Like a broken clock, you might find a hole once in a while that you are right on. 

Lol...any Star Trek fans out there?

This sounds like...

'You are not of the body of Landrew. You must be absorbed into the body of Landrew.'

[Contrarian]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Lol...any Star Trek fans out there?

This sounds like...

'You are not of the body of Landrew. You must be absorbed into the body of Landrew.'

That's all you can do today?

Do better. You said you work in IT. What is your view on this bill in Utah? 

[reason10]

27 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

That's all you can do today?

Do better. You said you work in IT. What is your view on this bill in Utah? 

Here's an original idea: Rather than depend on the OPINIONS of one left wing news source, how about just READING the bill and base one's views on the actual bill?

Here's the bill.

https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0152.html

This bill:
13          ▸     defines terms;
14          ▸     enacts the Utah Social Media Regulation Act;
15          ▸     requires a social media company to verify the age of a Utah resident seeking to
16     maintain or open a social media account;
17          ▸     requires a social media company to obtain the consent of a parent or guardian before
18     a Utah resident under the age of 18 may maintain or open an account;
19          ▸     prohibits a social media company from permitting a Utah resident to open an
20     account if that person does not meet age requirements under state or federal law;
21          ▸     requires that for accounts held by a Utah minor, certain social media companies:
22               •     shall prohibit direct messaging with certain accounts;
23               •     may not show the minor's account in search results;
24               •     may not display advertising;
25               •     may not collect, share, or use personal information from the account, with
26     certain exceptions;
27               •     may not target or suggest ads, accounts, or content; and
28               •     shall limit hours of access, subject to parental or guardian direction;
29          ▸     requires a social media company to provide a parent or guardian access to the

---

30     content and interactions of an account held by a Utah resident under the age of 18;
31          ▸     directs the Division of Consumer Protection to receive and investigate complaints
32     of violations of the requirements established under the act and impose
33     administrative fines for violations;
34          ▸     authorizes the division to seek enforcement through an injunction, civil penalties,
35     and other relief through the judicial process;
36          ▸     requires fines and civil penalties to be deposited into the Consumer Protection
37     Education and Training Fund;
38          ▸     requires an annual report from the division;
39          ▸     authorizes a private right of action to collect attorney fees and damages from a
40     social media company for harm incurred in relation to a violation of the
41     requirements established by the act;
42          ▸     prohibits certain waivers; and
43          ▸     provides a severability clause.

More details are available.

From your source:

Details: Under the law that's due to take effect on March 1, 2024, social media companies will have to instate a curfew for minors in the state, barring them from using their accounts from 10:30pm to 6:30am.

From the actual law:

 13-63-105. Limited hours of access for minors -- Parental access and options.
308          (1) Beginning March 1, 2024, a social media company shall prohibit a Utah minor
309     account holder from having access to the Utah minor account holder's account during the hours

---

310     of 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m., unless the access is modified according to another requirement of

This bill (in my EDUCATED view) gives PARENTS more control of their kids' use of social media, (which parents should already have if they just got off their fat lazy asses and did their job as parents.)  It is what the voters of Utah wanted, through the DEMOCRATIC Process. I see no problem with that.

[Contrarian]

16 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Here's an original idea: Rather than depend on the OPINIONS of one left wing news source, how about just READING the bill and base one's views on the actual bill?

Here's the bill.

https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0152.html

This bill:
13          ▸     defines terms;
14          ▸     enacts the Utah Social Media Regulation Act;
15          ▸     requires a social media company to verify the age of a Utah resident seeking to
16     maintain or open a social media account;
17          ▸     requires a social media company to obtain the consent of a parent or guardian before
18     a Utah resident under the age of 18 may maintain or open an account;
19          ▸     prohibits a social media company from permitting a Utah resident to open an
20     account if that person does not meet age requirements under state or federal law;
21          ▸     requires that for accounts held by a Utah minor, certain social media companies:
22               •     shall prohibit direct messaging with certain accounts;
23               •     may not show the minor's account in search results;
24               •     may not display advertising;
25               •     may not collect, share, or use personal information from the account, with
26     certain exceptions;
27               •     may not target or suggest ads, accounts, or content; and
28               •     shall limit hours of access, subject to parental or guardian direction;
29          ▸     requires a social media company to provide a parent or guardian access to the

---

30     content and interactions of an account held by a Utah resident under the age of 18;
31          ▸     directs the Division of Consumer Protection to receive and investigate complaints
32     of violations of the requirements established under the act and impose
33     administrative fines for violations;
34          ▸     authorizes the division to seek enforcement through an injunction, civil penalties,
35     and other relief through the judicial process;
36          ▸     requires fines and civil penalties to be deposited into the Consumer Protection
37     Education and Training Fund;
38          ▸     requires an annual report from the division;
39          ▸     authorizes a private right of action to collect attorney fees and damages from a
40     social media company for harm incurred in relation to a violation of the
41     requirements established by the act;
42          ▸     prohibits certain waivers; and
43          ▸     provides a severability clause.

More details are available.

From your source:

Details: Under the law that's due to take effect on March 1, 2024, social media companies will have to instate a curfew for minors in the state, barring them from using their accounts from 10:30pm to 6:30am.

From the actual law:

 13-63-105. Limited hours of access for minors -- Parental access and options.
308          (1) Beginning March 1, 2024, a social media company shall prohibit a Utah minor
309     account holder from having access to the Utah minor account holder's account during the hours

---

310     of 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m., unless the access is modified according to another requirement of

This bill (in my EDUCATED view) gives PARENTS more control of their kids' use of social media, (which parents should already have if they just got off their fat lazy asses and did their job as parents.)  It is what the voters of Utah wanted, through the DEMOCRATIC Process. I see no problem with that.

I am going to tell you something very important, and I want you to pay attention, because you will never get this advice from either The Republican Establishment (which they just need your vote) or from Liberal Elitists that look at you just as garbage no matter how you talk. 

This is MY radical centrist raw: I also agree that this bill in a way gives parents more control and is exactly what Utah wanted. 

The difference in all this was your language and approach. As a famous Pakistani taxi driver told me when I was telling him my ideas, but I was talking so loud, he says to me: "Yes, the ideas are good, is how you expose them, is wrong". 

Anyhow, I won't say more, because apparently the new nickname that goes around for me is Rasputin, like that lunatic that preached during the Russian Tsar's time. Maybe I am his reincarnation digitally. Worst nightmare for some. 

• I know this is just you playing nice on a Sunday, maybe going to Church today in Florida?! but anytime you want to do mob politics, we will do mob politics, not a problem. 
• You expose ideas like this, I have no issues even agreeing with you or disagreeing civil. 

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[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

That's all you can do today?

Do better. You said you work in IT. What is your view on this bill in Utah? 

I think parents should monitor their kids social media usage and I'm good with age restrictions. 

Are you surprised?

[Contrarian]

Just now, Nationalist said:

I think parents should monitor their kids social media usage and I'm good with age restrictions. 

Are you surprised?

My take is above. 

[reason10]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

I am going to tell you something very important, and I want you to pay attention, because you will never get this advice from either The Republican Establishment (which they just need your vote) or from Liberal Elitists that look at you just as garbage no matter how you talk. 

This is MY radical centrist raw: I also agree that this bill in a way gives parents more control and is exactly what Utah wanted. 

The difference in all this was your language and approach. As a famous Pakistani taxi driver told me when I was telling him my ideas, but I was talking so loud, he says to me: "Yes, the ideas are good, is how you expose them, is wrong". 

Anyhow, I won't say more, because apparently the new nickname that goes around for me is Rasputin, like that lunatic that preached during the Russian Tsar's time. Maybe I am his reincarnation digitally. Worst nightmare for some. 

• I know this is just you playing nice on a Sunday, maybe going to Church today in Florida?! but anytime you want to do mob politics, we will do mob politics, not a problem. 
• You expose ideas like this, I have no issues even agreeing with you or disagreeing civil. 

My language and approach? I cited the EXACT BILL.

I cited FACTS, and facts don't care about anybody's feelings.

I don't play nice (or mean) on ANY day, based on any religion or other event. I merely express views (that are echoed by most of America) and I cite facts from reliable sources. And I'm able to sleep at night because I don't worry if the TRUTH is going to offend the feeble minded. Life is too short.