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Florida textbook altered to remove references to Rosa Parks’s race: report


 

A Florida textbook publisher removed all references of race from a lesson about civil rights icon Rosa Parks in order to get a Florida committee’s approval, according to The New York Times. 

Parks helped spark the Montgomery Bus Boycott after she refused to give up her seat to a white man on a Montgomery, Ala., bus in 1955. 

 

In the current lesson by Studies Weekly, which is used in 45,000 elementary schools, the event is described: “The law said African Americans had to give up their seats on the bus if a white person wanted to sit down.” 

But in an early version created for Florida’s review by Studies Weekly, the lesson changed to: “She was told to move to a different seat because of the color of her skin.” 

In the group’s second updated version, race is removed completely from the lesson: “She was told to move to a different seat.”

Studies Weekly also made changes to their fourth-grade lesson about segregation laws.

In the initial version, the text explained how Black Americans were affected by Jim Crow laws that arose after the Civil War, but like its updates to the Parks lesson, the second version eliminated almost every direct mention of race. Instead, the lessons were changed to say it was illegal for “men of certain groups” to be unemployed and that “certain groups of people” were not allowed to serve on a jury.

Florida is currently reviewing social studies curriculum, which includes flagging any topics that could be deemed as critical race theory, a collegiate-level framework used to explain systemic racism in the United States that has become a political catch-all buzzword for any teaching on race.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3905312-florida-textbook-altered-to-remove-references-to-rosa-parkss-race-report/

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57 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I think everyone by now knows who she is. Her impact on history cannot be suppressed.

I think history should be told as is. Let people judge on their own.

You think fourth graders already know who Rosa Parks is? 
 

Isn’t the fact of history very clear? Segregation was the law throughout the South, and Rosa Parks was jailed because she refused to give up her seat on a bus to a white person, which sparked non-violent civil rights protests? Isn’t that the truth? 

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In DeSantis’s revised history curriculum, Florida textbook altered to remove references to Rosa Parks’s race:

Really? Did they now? Who says so?

Oh wait...the BS alert just went off in my head. All I had to see was this:

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according to The New York Times. 

So I had to know what they actually said so I searched past the paygated article in the Slimes that was linked in the OP.

Here ya go:

https://stsinfrastructures.org/content/florida-scoured-math-textbooks-‘prohibited-topics’-next-social-studies

Here's what they actually said about Rosa Parks.

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A prominent conservative education group, whose members volunteered to review textbooks, objected to a slew of them, accusing publishers of “promoting their bias.”

At least two publishers declined to participate altogether. And in a sign of how fraught the political landscape has become, one publisher created multiple versions of its social studies material, softening or eliminating references to race — even in the story of Rosa Parks — as it sought to gain approval in Florida

Now they tried awful hard to lead easy believers in a direction they'd like to lead but nowhere did even the much litigated against New York Slimes try to claim that Ron DeSantis is mandating against teaching Rosa Parks is black.

If that's what you took from the bogus title of this thread you're believing a lie.

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55 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Really? Did they now? Who says so?

Oh wait...the BS alert just went off in my head. All I had to see was this:

So I had to know what they actually said so I searched past the paygated article in the Slimes that was linked in the OP.

Here ya go:

https://stsinfrastructures.org/content/florida-scoured-math-textbooks-‘prohibited-topics’-next-social-studies

Here's what they actually said about Rosa Parks.

Now they tried awful hard to lead easy believers in a direction they'd like to lead but nowhere did even the much litigated against New York Slimes try to claim that Ron DeSantis is mandating against teaching Rosa Parks is black.

If that's what you took from the bogus title of this thread you're believing a lie.

What is your point? I don’t understand what you’re saying. 
 

DeSantis passed a law. As a result of the law and the censors that DeSantis has appointed, Rosa Parks is being portrayed in Florida textbooks without mentioning her race.   

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39 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I smell left-wing manipulation too <---

You see, what you can do with logic & data. You can actually stand on your two feet and don't need support from anybody. 

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This idea that DeSantis engages in "Fascist" acts @BeaverFever

  • DeSantis is an elected official who operates within the framework of a democratic system, which is the opposite of a fascist government that is typically led by a single authoritarian leader.
  • DeSantis has not engaged in any acts of political violence.
  • DeSantis has not attempted to suppress the press.
  • DeSantis has not attempted to create a one-party state or suppress opposition parties, which is a hallmark of fascist governments. 

    *I used the word DeSantis several times. ?

Let me make something very clear to you:

These efforts of DeSantis are not intended to keep children from feeling ashamed of being white. They are intended to indoctrinate these children with the sense of American infallibility. And if you believe the government has always been good and always just and always right, why… you certainly wouldn’t oppose the next war they tell us we need to fight, right?

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5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I don't know Michael, did he?

You see me, I do the work, do you have the material so I can read and analyze my own? 

You seem to know about him.  He strikes me as smarter than Trump and more strategic in his plan to create an official culture.

 

This says he's interested in making defamation lawsuits easier.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/politics/ron-desantis-news-media.amp.html

 

But ask yourself - what is he FOR besides the culture war?

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2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Really? Did they now? Who says so?

Oh wait...the BS alert just went off in my head. All I had to see was this:

So I had to know what they actually said so I searched past the paygated article in the Slimes that was linked in the OP.

Here ya go:

https://stsinfrastructures.org/content/florida-scoured-math-textbooks-‘prohibited-topics’-next-social-studies

Here's what they actually said about Rosa Parks.

Now they tried awful hard to lead easy believers in a direction they'd like to lead but nowhere did even the much litigated against New York Slimes try to claim that Ron DeSantis is mandating against teaching Rosa Parks is black.

If that's what you took from the bogus title of this thread you're believing a lie.

You make no sense.Nothing in your quoted text contradicts the revisionism going on in the the fascist Florida  

The publisher changed its content in an effort to survive DeSantis’s new right wing “anti-CRT / anti-woke” witch hunt inquisitors. Get it?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

I smell left-wing manipulation too <---

You see, what you can do with logic & data. You can actually stand on your two feet and don't need support from anybody. 

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This idea that DeSantis engages in "Fascist" acts @BeaverFever

  • DeSantis is an elected official who operates within the framework of a democratic system, which is the opposite of a fascist government that is typically led by a single authoritarian leader.
  • DeSantis has not engaged in any acts of political violence.
  • DeSantis has not attempted to suppress the press.
  • DeSantis has not attempted to create a one-party state or suppress opposition parties, which is a hallmark of fascist governments. 

    *I used the word DeSantis several times. ?

I disagree with your assessment.  You on focus on actions instead of their actual beliefs bSomeone can hold fascist or socialist (or whatever) philosophical beliefs and be called out for it even if they don’t have the intent (or the opportunity) to conduct similar actions    Furthermore:

 

The first 2 bullets could he said about Hitler initially.  Also being a fascist and being elected are not necessarily mutually exclusive and doesn’t necessarily require acts of political violence  

DeSantis like most MAGAs is waging an open war against the press. On occasions have call the press an “enemy of the people” and “an enemy of the state” and have called for specific members of the press to be arrested for various reasons. Many MAGAs even use the word “lugenpresse“ to refer the mainstream media, a term which menas “lying press” in German that was originally invented by Nazi propaganda   A Florida Republican has a bill in legislature right now that would require anyone reporting on the Governor including bloggers to register with the state and file regular reports on their activity and funding (DeSantis himself says he doesn’t support the bill but it’s still a sign of the Florida GOP mindset).The Florida GOPers clearly have the same mentality as fascists when it comes to the press, just because their words have not escalated to the same level actions (yet?) doesn’t mean they’re not fascists  

Another Republican has a bill that would ban the Democratic party from the state  

 

 

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14 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Listen, I know DeSantis flexes his populistic muscle once in a while, you have to, in order to survive in a MAGA-dominated climate.

My issue is with the fear-mongering that the OP is after, talking about fascism. There is a court system, if I am not mistaken one law was even reversed. 

Do you think DeSantis is a fascist too? or engages in fascist acts? 

The original poster said that DeSantis’ acts of striking facts from history books and instituting a ban on ALL BOOKS in Florida schools UNLESS they are approved by his personally-selected board of religious censors are fascist ACTS. 
 

Let’s define fascism. From Britannica:

Fascism : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

From Mirriam-Webster:

: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Another definition:

“Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of both the nation and the single, powerful leader over the individual citizen. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies, which support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.“

To answer your question, I believe that DeSantis’ actions are extremely disturbing and that he has greatly abused his government authority. The best example, I think, was when he retaliated against Disney because they stated that they disagreed with a law he passed.  Think about that! It is the very textbook definition of violating the First Amendment: “You say something which displeases the Government, and the Government retaliates against you by using its power to harm you.” This is exactly why we have a First Amendment.  
 

So yes, the adjective “fascist” applies, not the noun. These are all acts of state-sponsored censorship intended to persecute and disenfranchise minority groups.  
 

Personally, I cannot understand it: “Here you are, you are the most powerful person in the state.  What will you choose to do?” “Why, I’ll persecute homosexuals and black people, of course. And those who support them. It’s the most urgent issue in our state.”

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17 hours ago, Rebound said:

As a result of the law and the censors that DeSantis has appointed, Rosa Parks is being portrayed in Florida textbooks without mentioning her race.   

Show me.

Aren't you part of team evidence? The ones always demanding evidence from everybody else? Surely the 2 of you (if there actually are two) can produce evidence of a Florida curriculum that denies the existence of Rosa Parks.

If you think "according to the New York times" is going to do it, assume you're hearing rigorous laughter in reply. I'm not even sure what exactly that girl from NYT is saying. Seems to be some sort of coded message for the NYT NPCs to attach prog inferences onto.

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Oh and Beave, let's be clear we're talking about a single publisher who we're being told to assume told an NYT writer that he would no longer talk about Rosa Parks. Or maybe she got that info from somebody who knew his uncle's dental hygienist or something. Actually what's more likely is some critical theorist who's been able to stuff any kind of CRT BS into the curriculum up until now finds out he can't do it anymore and pulls Rosa Parks denial out his butt.

It would be nice to know who exactly that one publisher was and what exactly his historical connection was to the Florida curriculum.

An actual reliable reference source would have included such "evidence." The fact "what's- her-name" from the NYT didn't offer it makes me distrust her.

 

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57 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Show me.

Aren't you part of team evidence? The ones always demanding evidence from everybody else? Surely the 2 of you (if there actually are two) can produce evidence of a Florida curriculum that denies the existence of Rosa Parks.

If you think "according to the New York times" is going to do it, assume you're hearing rigorous laughter in reply. I'm not even sure what exactly that girl from NYT is saying. Seems to be some sort of coded message for the NYT NPCs to attach prog inferences onto.

Here’s the before and after, from the text book publisher. 

Before (Current Textbook):
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After (Textbook revision to comply with Florida censorship):0F0A8CA5-CC23-4EEA-A9A5-FFC86B6423A8.thumb.jpeg.4e770e8d4a5806387713f62b41e78423.jpeg

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4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Oh and Beave, let's be clear we're talking about a single publisher who we're being told to assume told an NYT writer that he would no longer talk about Rosa Parks. Or maybe she got that info from somebody who knew his uncle's dental hygienist or something. Actually what's more likely is some critical theorist who's been able to stuff any kind of CRT BS into the curriculum up until now finds out he can't do it anymore and pulls Rosa Parks denial out his butt.

It would be nice to know who exactly that one publisher was and what exactly his historical connection was to the Florida curriculum.

An actual reliable reference source would have included such "evidence." The fact "what's- her-name" from the NYT didn't offer it makes me distrust her.

 

Hilariously you’re at it again demanding “evidence” while spouting conspiracy theories to dismiss the evidence provided AND THEN JUST COMPLETELY MAKING SH-T UP WIITH NO EVIDENCE with your “actually what probably happened” statement 

 

Now thanks to Rebound you’ve been provided actual photos that show once again the NYT claim was true and the nonsense you made up in your own head just now was just your usual gibberish  lies. 

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5 hours ago, Rebound said:

Here’s the before and after, from the text book publisher. 

Before (Current Textbook):
33A9EB62-D4B8-4135-AFCA-150C7AD66E83.thumb.jpeg.928dae6746a5803a235d788af6a96524.jpeg


After (Textbook revision to comply with Florida censorship):0F0A8CA5-CC23-4EEA-A9A5-FFC86B6423A8.thumb.jpeg.4e770e8d4a5806387713f62b41e78423.jpeg

Which textbook? "THE" textbook, right? Is that all there is. No context, of course. No name of publisher as requested. Pretty amateurish text arrangement in first link. Some obvious photo-shopping to lighten the skin in the second which makes me suspect some cowardice as to why you didn't want to post a link.

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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Hilariously you’re at it again demanding “evidence” while spouting conspiracy theories to dismiss the evidence provided AND THEN JUST COMPLETELY MAKING SH-T UP WIITH NO EVIDENCE with your “actually what probably happened” statement 

 

Now thanks to Rebound you’ve been provided actual photos that show once again the NYT claim was true and the nonsense you made up in your own head just now was just your usual gibberish  lies. 

This is the third time you or your heroes have been asked to identify the publisher of this one book you want to imply represents the whole of Florida's history curriculum and Governor DeSantis's personal input. It's curious none of you want to or so far don't seem able to provide a link. The little clip R&R were able to find sounds childish. Grade 3, maybe.

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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

This is the third time you or your heroes have been asked to identify the publisher of this one book you want to imply represents the whole of Florida's history curriculum and Governor DeSantis's personal input. It's curious none of you want to or so far don't seem able to provide a link. The little clip R&R were able to find sounds childish. Grade 3, maybe.

No, you sanctimonious jerk, you never once asked me for the name of the textbook publisher, which is Studies Weekly.

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3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

This is the third time you or your heroes have been asked to identify the publisher of this one book you want to imply represents the whole of Florida's history curriculum and Governor DeSantis's personal input. It's curious none of you want to or so far don't seem able to provide a link. The little clip R&R were able to find sounds childish. Grade 3, maybe.

Hey dumbass the publisher was named right in this thread’s OP. 3rd paragraph. As usual you MAGAs don’t read before reacting and spouting their made up nonsense propaganda  

Now you dishonestly claim we said DeSantis had personal inout on this particular textbook, as if to suggest that since he wasn’t personally involved its ok even though It’s HIS LAW that mandates this revisionist censorship in the first place.   You've clearly backed yourself into a corner here and now are just throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping something sticks and of course playing that tired old MAGA card of screaming conspiracy when reality is inconvenient.

 

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10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Show me.

Aren't you part of team evidence? The ones always demanding evidence from everybody else? Surely the 2 of you (if there actually are two) can produce evidence of a Florida curriculum that denies the existence of Rosa Parks.

That's what I asked you for. You offered up two tiny, heavily photo-shopped clips that lacked any kind of context or indication of where they came from. I know I didn't ask for that.

You and me have a vastly different idea of what I asked for.

Very well, let me put it so clear that even both you and your siamese twin thinker can understand.

I'd like to know who this publisher is, why you seem to think he speaks for what he believes the Florida curriculum requires. Why he claims that curriculum doesn't want Rosa Parks race acknowledged. Why you want to claim him for a truth-teller and why you want us to believe this fantasy is a fact originating with Ron DeSantis.

Actually don't worry about any of that secondary stuff. Just give me the name of this secret publisher of yours and I'll find out the rest for you.

But you won't will you? You really, really don't want anybody to know. Let's guess why that is.

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But thanks Beave, you're right I didn't bother with the body of the OP because the title was such obvious BS it was all I saw.

But OK, now that you've pointed me to it how would you like to hear the rest of the story?

Start from the first page of Studies Weekly's website:

https://www.studiesweekly.com/

I can't copy and paste from there so I'll type you out a paragraph and you can click the link to the actual source (not some leftist rag) if you like.

"From: STUDIES WEEKLY RESPONSE TO THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE

 We find the  omission or altering of historical fact to be abhorrent and do not defend it. 

Although it was too late, once we discovered the unapproved changes, as evidenced by the file discrepancies within our submission we planned to rectify the situation but could not edit it during the review. Those unapproved changes have already been removed from our curriculum. We had no intention of allowing those versions to become our official state versions..."

https://www.studiesweekly.com/

So if you go read the whole thing it sounds like a couple of progressive leftists decided to infiltrate Studies Weekly and do a little sabotage. They got caught and apparently they got fired. So at least another one (maybe two) bite the dust. So some good came of it.

And Beave you should know by now my bullshit detector is deadly. Doesn't matter if I miss something I'll keep going until the whole truth gets out there.

I see why your compatriots were so desperate not to post links though.

I was going to do an image search on their photoshopped quotes to see where they originally came from but then I thought, 'no let's see how deep they want to dig their hole first.'

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On 3/18/2023 at 4:46 PM, BeaverFever said:

I disagree with your assessment.  You on focus on actions instead of their actual beliefs bSomeone can hold fascist or socialist (or whatever) philosophical beliefs and be called out for it even if they don’t have the intent (or the opportunity) to conduct similar actions    Furthermore:

 

The first 2 bullets could he said about Hitler initially.  Also being a fascist and being elected are not necessarily mutually exclusive and doesn’t necessarily require acts of political violence  

DeSantis like most MAGAs is waging an open war against the press. On occasions have call the press an “enemy of the people” and “an enemy of the state” and have called for specific members of the press to be arrested for various reasons. Many MAGAs even use the word “lugenpresse“ to refer the mainstream media, a term which menas “lying press” in German that was originally invented by Nazi propaganda   A Florida Republican has a bill in legislature right now that would require anyone reporting on the Governor including bloggers to register with the state and file regular reports on their activity and funding (DeSantis himself says he doesn’t support the bill but it’s still a sign of the Florida GOP mindset).The Florida GOPers clearly have the same mentality as fascists when it comes to the press, just because their words have not escalated to the same level actions (yet?) doesn’t mean they’re not fascists  

Another Republican has a bill that would ban the Democratic party from the state  

 

 

A lot of right wingers don't understand that fascists don't START OUT full blown.

They need to acquire substantial POWER before they can wield enough to do the truly EVIL things like Hitler did.

Of course SOME never do, but that does not mean they would not if they were SKILLED ENOUGH to pull it off.

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7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

But thanks Beave, you're right I didn't bother with the body of the OP because the title was such obvious BS it was all I saw.

But OK, now that you've pointed me to it how would you like to hear the rest of the story?

Start from the first page of Studies Weekly's website:

https://www.studiesweekly.com/

I can't copy and paste from there so I'll type you out a paragraph and you can click the link to the actual source (not some leftist rag) if you like.

"From: STUDIES WEEKLY RESPONSE TO THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE

 We find the  omission or altering of historical fact to be abhorrent and do not defend it. 

Although it was too late, once we discovered the unapproved changes, as evidenced by the file discrepancies within our submission we planned to rectify the situation but could not edit it during the review. Those unapproved changes have already been removed from our curriculum. We had no intention of allowing those versions to become our official state versions..."

https://www.studiesweekly.com/

So if you go read the whole thing it sounds like a couple of progressive leftists decided to infiltrate Studies Weekly and do a little sabotage. They got caught and apparently they got fired. So at least another one (maybe two) bite the dust. So some good came of it.

And Beave you should know by now my bullshit detector is deadly. Doesn't matter if I miss something I'll keep going until the whole truth gets out there.

I see why your compatriots were so desperate not to post links though.

I was going to do an image search on their photoshopped quotes to see where they originally came from but then I thought, 'no let's see how deep they want to dig their hole first.'

Since we’re Team Evidence, where is your evidence that Progressive Leftists edited that textbook? 
 

Just kidding! We all know you have no evidence and you’re lying your ass off again.  

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