Arrest Warrant Issued for Putin

[Rebound]

The International Criminal Court has just issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin for war crimes. The crimes in question are the deportation of thousands of Ukrainian children for re-education in Russia.  
 

Because Russia is not a signatory, the Court cannot have Putin arrested in Russia, but should he leave Russia for vacation, he could be.  His daughter is also under this warrant, so no more shopping trips to Europe for her.  
 

Will Putin eventually be arrested and tried? No, not unless there is a government overthrow in Russia.  But he will forever be known as an international criminal. 

[I am Groot]

Not to worry. Trump or DeSantis will become President in two years and pardon him.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Not to worry. Trump or DeSantis will become President in two years and pardon him.

Doubtful they would actually pardon him and certainly don't have the power for an ICC pardon, but they will run on the PROMISE that the CULT will naively believe.

[robosmith]

13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I am watching carefully what the Russians are saying with Translate because eventually the same message will be copy and pasted by our populist friends. Is just how information travels:

FSB - Russian TV - Angry channels in the West.

It seems now all they are saying this ruling does not apply to their "law". 

Like wildlings on an island.

Neither Russia nor the US are signatories to the ICC, so it has no power of law here or in Russia.

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Neither Russia nor the US are signatories to the ICC, so it has no power of law here or in Russia.

Well… both Russia and the USA are signatories, but they both rescinded their signatures. Trump pulled out because he didn’t want any US soldiers prosecuted for war crimes in Afghanistan. Personally, I think that US service people who commit war crimes should be prosecuted.  We hold our soldiers to high standards and we should not protect soldiers who rape or torture civilians. 

Edited March 17, 2023 by Rebound

[I am Groot]

If it weren't for the requirement that you be born in the US I wonder how many Republicans would vote for Putin to be their candidate if he submitted his name.

[Rebound]

46 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

If it weren't for the requirement that you be born in the US I wonder how many Republicans would vote for Putin to be their candidate if he submitted his name.

I wonder how many members of the US Supreme Court would rule that Vladimir Putin was born a naturalized citizen of the United States.

[OftenWrong]

That's good. Maybe Russia will issue an arrest warrant for Joe Biden.

It's worth about two flies.

[robosmith]

11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That's good. Maybe Russia will issue an arrest warrant for Joe Biden.

It's worth about two flies.

The ICC requires EVIDENCE to issue an arrest warrant. Russia not so much.

[Rebound]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

While the ICC may not have jurisdiction over Russia or the United States, it can investigate and prosecute crimes committed by their nationals in other countries that are signatories to the ICC.

It comes with limitations and embarrassment.

Putin has deported over 16,000 Ukrainian children to Russia.  That’s some Hitler-level cruelty. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

But he will forever be known as an international criminal. 

Thats the equivalent of a legal slap on the wrists.

I think this is to make people feel better, than actually having any substance whatsoever.

[Aristides]

No more G20 conferences for Vlady.

[August1991]

No doubt, the ICC will soon issue a warrant for Donald Trump.

They wanted to issue a warrant for George Bush Jnr - or his father.

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After Clinton bombed and killed people in Serbia, the ICC brought (rightly/wrongly) Serbia's president to trial.

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You Americans, you people who wrote a federal Constitution, surely you people understand a multi-polar world.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Bush Jnr bombed/invaded Iraq - for no reason.

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In Canada, I recall a chat with a friend at the time:

Me: "Why is Bush Jnr doing this? This invasion of Iraq?"

Friend: "Saddam Hussein tried to kill his Dad.."

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Bush Jnr - American Presidents, Canadian Prime Ministers - want to show who is boss.

Edited March 18, 2023 by August1991

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Thats the equivalent of a legal slap on the wrists.

I think this is to make people feel better, than actually having any substance whatsoever.

It certainly increases the risk of foreign travel to Putin.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Bush Jnr bombed/invaded Iraq - for no reason.

===

In Canada, I recall a chat with a friend at the time:

Me: "Why is Bush Jnr doing this? This invasion of Iraq?"

Friend: "Saddam Hussein tried to kill his Dad.."

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Bush Jnr - American Presidents, Canadian Prime Ministers - want to show who is boss.

There was those UN resolutions that Hussein violated and some kind of UN resolution for punishing that to paper over the invasion.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

It certainly increases the risk of foreign travel to Putin.

To China? To Iran? To India? Really?

It doesn't do a thing. Its like publicly condemning his behavior. It does absolutely nothing. He's a crook. He knows he's a crook, but he understands the laws of power, and is great at keeping his hands clean of his dirty deeds.

There is always a risk, but none more than usual if he focuses on his allies.

[Guest]

I hate when the news make me want to believe that this is a feel good war for Ukraine. That we're taking out the bad guy, in Russia. That we are slapping him with hard hitting consequences.

Uh, no. He's diverted his funds to where he still gets cash flow. He has other options like Venezuela, China, Iran, etc.

If anything, this makes their alliances even stronger, as they're being demonized for their ideologies that they're determined to spread globally.

Reality, is both parties are losing insane amounts of human lives, a country is being burnt to the ground. Women and children are fleeing with trauma, that will stick with them, for life.

The men who do survive, will develop hate on a level where if and unfortunately possibly when Ukraine's head gets taken out, you get a terrorist state being developed, and rules of engagement likely thrown out the door.

The warrant, is useless paperwork. The west's feel good story. "See. He's bad. There's proof!" Uh, look at Ukraine.

All consequences, but nobody has dared to sanction him directly, and use distraction tactics to make you feel there is progress in this war that is at a standstill.

 

[OftenWrong]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

The ICC requires EVIDENCE to issue an arrest warrant. Russia not so much.

Is that why the USA is not a signatory? They are immune from any ruling.

Because they are a trustworthy and non-political court.

Putin is laughing at you dupes. Bwa hah hah

 

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I hate when the news make me want to believe that this is a feel good war for Ukraine. That we're taking out the bad guy, in Russia. That we are slapping him with hard hitting consequences.

Uh, no. He's diverted his funds to where he still gets cash flow. He has other options like Venezuela, China, Iran, etc.

If anything, this makes their alliances even stronger, as they're being demonized for their ideologies that they're determined to spread globally.

Reality, is both parties are losing insane amounts of human lives, a country is being burnt to the ground. Women and children are fleeing with trauma, that will stick with them, for life.

The men who do survive, will develop hate on a level where if and unfortunately possibly when Ukraine's head gets taken out, you get a terrorist state being developed, and rules of engagement likely thrown out the door.

The warrant, is useless paperwork. The west's feel good story. "See. He's bad. There's proof!" Uh, look at Ukraine.

All consequences, but nobody has dared to sanction him directly, and use distraction tactics to make you feel there is progress in this war that is at a standstill.

 

When the oligarchs of Russia and their children vacation and go shopping, it’s not in China, Venezuela, North Korea or Iran, is it? 
 

Things were great for the oligarchs before this invasion. They flew their private planes to exotic places throughout the world, played on their yachts, went gambling, bought expensive clothes, and had a great time. Now all that is gone, and probably gone for good.  Which really stinks for them, if you think about it.  

Edited March 18, 2023 by Rebound

[OftenWrong]

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

When the oligarchs of Russia and their children vacation and go shopping, it’s not in China, Venezuela, North Korea or Iran, is it? 
 

Things were great for the oligarchs before this invasion. They flew their private planes to exotic places throughout the world, played on their yachts, went gambling, bought expensive clothes, and had a great time. Now all that is gone, and probably gone for good.  Which really stinks for them, if you think about it.  

That's great. Yay for our oligarchs! They get to have all their stuff. And that makes us feel good.
Hoorah.

Now look in the mirror and say,
"Because I'm good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."

[Rebound]

24 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That's great. Yay for our oligarchs! They get to have all their stuff. And that makes us feel good.
Hoorah.

Now look in the mirror and say,
"Because I'm good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."

I don’t think you follow me…

The oligarchs of Russia can no longer enjoy any of those pleasures, except inside of Russia.  No more yachting on the French Riviera.  Most of their yachts have been seized by authorities and they aren’t permitted to dock at those ports and they don’t have travel visas.  
 

So my point is, the Ukraine War has sucked for the oligarchs, including Putin’s daughter.  Of course, it’s been far worse for the Ukranians, but my point is that these international sanctions and this criminal indictment have impacts on these people.  No more chartered private jets to Paris Fashion Week. 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Rebound

[myata]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

No doubt, the ICC will soon issue a warrant for Donald Trump.

A diversion typical for stinky, criminal Russia. Speaking of the crimes, evil of this magnitude and proportion difficult to find proper words for it. Trivialization, laughing off Hitler's crimes, Holocaust? Sure.

Part of it is certainly the environment of inborn chauvinism and propaganda, but still what would it take to take natural predisposition to accept despotism and totalitarianism, even in their most obvious, criminal forms from so many intellectuals of Russian origin?

Edited March 18, 2023 by myata

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, myata said:

what would it take to take natural predisposition to accept despotism and totalitarianism, even in their most obvious, criminal forms from so many intellectuals of Russian origin?

What would it take? A big pile of money, perhaps? Threats towards your family? Years of indoctrination and fake news?

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

To China? To Iran? To India? Really?

Did I say that? Really? He's not going to any of those countries except PERHAPS China.

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It doesn't do a thing. Its like publicly condemning his behavior. It does absolutely nothing. He's a crook. He knows he's a crook, but he understands the laws of power, and is great at keeping his hands clean of his dirty deeds.

Is he really? Most Russians have been exposed to the probability that he's STOLEN $200B, even if they deny it's true.

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

There is always a risk, but none more than usual if he focuses on his allies.

Sure. He can withdraw from most of the world's commerce.