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Another release from the Globe and Mail demonstrating how eager China is to influence Canada. This time demonstrating their actions in the Vancouver municipal election which saw the first Chinese-Canadian mayor elected.

China’s diplomatic mission in Vancouver has actively interfered in the city’s politics, using proxies in diaspora community organizations and grooming politicians to run in last fall’s municipal election, according to Canada’s spy agency.

A Jan. 10, 2022, Canadian Security and Intelligence Service report viewed by The Globe and Mail outlines how China’s then-consul-general, Tong Xiaoling, discussed mentoring – or as the report quoted her, “grooming” – Chinese-Canadian municipal politicians for higher office to advance Beijing’s interests.

Ms. Tong sought to elect pro-Beijing politicians to city council in the October, 2022, municipal election in which incumbent mayor Kennedy Stewart lost to Ken Sim by margin of nearly 37,000 votes.

During his term as mayor, Mr. Stewart drew criticism from the Chinese government for suspending meetings with its diplomats after it put sanctions on Canadian MP Michael Chong, a friend of his and critic of Beijing, and strengthening ties with Taiwan, a self-ruled province that Beijing wants to annex.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-chinas-vancouver-consulate-interfered-in-2022-municipal-election/

 

And as this column points out, China has embedded itself throughout Canada thanks to 'pliant liberals'.

Something rotten has spread through this country's corporate sector, universities and political class

The longer this drags out, the more light gets shed on the squalid and intimate relationship between the Liberals’ political base in this country’s wealthy and well-connected Mandarin-bloc hierarchy and the Ferrari-driving consiglieri of Beijing’s strong-arming and influence-peddling network in Canada. It’s the same circle of power.

Slowly but surely, Canadians are beginning to understand what so many brave Chinese-Canadians have been warning about all these years. Slowly and steadily, the public is waking up to the alarms rung by Chinese political exiles, Hongkongers, Tibetans and Uyghur refugees, and by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

But it is a dispiriting education. It’s the brazenness of it that’s so galling, the flaunting of impunity in a thriving social scene of dodgy casino high-rollers and senators, Chinese diplomats and targets of RCMP money-laundering probes, MPs and mayors at banquets and ribbon-cuttings, weekend barbecues and campaign fundraising parties.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/pliant-liberals-have-helped-china-embed-itself-in-canada/wcm/f8b26cf2-6ca8-4758-91be-3e52a8707671

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7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What a surprise....NOT!!

This has been going on , not just with the Chinese, but with any country, group, organization or company for ever.

It goes on everywhere but other countries try to fight it. We seem to tolerate it and the liberals seem to encourage  it.

Canadians have to get mad about this if they want to actually keep their sovereignty

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It goes on everywhere but other countries try to fight it. We seem to tolerate it and the liberals seem to encourage  it.

Canadians have to get mad about this if they want to actually keep their sovereignty

Please don't be so naive to think it is only the liberals that play this game?

Politicians, and Politics in general, live and thrive on the donations and "goodwill" of persons or individuals or groups or organizations that they may have never met.

Some politicians are a bit more diligent than others. Others just take... and take.... and take.

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34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Please don't be so naive to think it is only the liberals that play this game?

That sounds a little tin hattish.  But go ahead and show me  where the CPC or the NDP encouraged foreign countries to donate to get them elected.

This was not just a case of politicians cosying up to donors. this was a deliberate effort to money launder funds into the liberal party through proxy donors more akin to the sponsorship scandal.  That's a little over and above

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24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That sounds a little tin hattish.  But go ahead and show me  where the CPC or the NDP encouraged foreign countries to donate to get them elected.

This was not just a case of politicians cosying up to donors. this was a deliberate effort to money launder funds into the liberal party through proxy donors more akin to the sponsorship scandal.  That's a little over and above

Encouraged??

Show me a political candidate or party that discourages donations and help from anyone LOL

Harper was just as bad but he always played a human rights card (with no consequence) and made it seem righteous.

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34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Encouraged??

Show me a political candidate or party that discourages donations and help from anyone LOL

They tend to discourage illegal ones. These guys are encouraging illegal donations. There's a difference.

Nobody would blame them if the donations were just chinese nationals who like the liberal party but they're documenting a money laundering scheme to funnel large amounts of donations illegally through proxies. Show me where the CPC or NDP ever did that.

34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Harper was just as bad but he always played a human rights card (with no consequence) and made it seem righteous.

No, he wasn't. Harper didn't take money from corps or other gov'ts or outside the law. At least certainly not knowingly. This is a liberal thing and it's a recurring liberal thing.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

They tend to discourage illegal ones. These guys are encouraging illegal donations. There's a difference.

Nobody would blame them if the donations were just chinese nationals who like the liberal party but they're documenting a money laundering scheme to funnel large amounts of donations illegally through proxies. Show me where the CPC or NDP ever did that.

No, he wasn't. Harper didn't take money from corps or other gov'ts or outside the law. At least certainly not knowingly. This is a liberal thing and it's a recurring liberal thing.

Or hiding illegal ones the best they can.

Just Chinese nationals??? :)

Please do not try and make one party less susceptible than another. If there are votes to be got, they will do what they can to get them.

Harper kowtowed to the Chinese just as much as Trudeau and the politicians before them. China was and is too important to the Canadian economy.

Bottom line is China (among others) does what it can to influence Canada and its policies. Why anyone is surprised is what is beyond me LOL

 

This was 4 years ago...you telling me no one knew or had an inkling influence peddling was going on?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-india-interference-1.5284473

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23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Or hiding illegal ones the best they can.

If they do it much they tend to get caught. We've caught the libs now twice with major scams = and pretty much back to back. Chretien/martin were the last libs before trudeau adn we had adscam.  Now trudeau has chinagate.

How many times have the CPC been caught doing that? (cricket cricket) :)

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Please do not try and make one party less susceptible than another. If

If you want to make that claim - put some proof on the table. I just did. Show that the cpc or ndp has been accepting illegal donations of substance knowingly and we'll talk

Otherwise it's just conspiracy crap that somehow because one politician does it they all must.  That's not how logic works.

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So in an interview with the CBC Kennedy Stewart, the previous mayor of Vancouver, said he was interviewed by CSIS who asked him questions about Chinese influence. And the CSIS agent told him "We've been sending the information on Chinese interference up the chain for years and no one is paying any attention."

 

 

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37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If they do it much they tend to get caught. We've caught the libs now twice with major scams = and pretty much back to back. Chretien/martin were the last libs before trudeau adn we had adscam.  Now trudeau has chinagate.

How many times have the CPC been caught doing that? (cricket cricket) :)

If you want to make that claim - put some proof on the table. I just did. Show that the cpc or ndp has been accepting illegal donations of substance knowingly and we'll talk

Otherwise it's just conspiracy crap that somehow because one politician does it they all must.  That's not how logic works.

Yeah  sure LOL

You are far too convinced that one party is dirty and the others are snowy white. But that's OK, having  a head in the sand is not unusual.

Harper:

http://tomduck.ca/posts/2015-10-06_50-reasons-to-dump-harper.html

And then there was Mulroney LOL

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17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yeah  sure LOL

Soooooo... that's your proof? LoL?

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are far too convinced that one party is dirty and the others are snowy white.

iiiiiisssss THAT your evidence?

 

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A blog of mostly made up 'i-don't-like-harper' crap with no evidence of accepting dirty money?

Well i guess that's ONE way of saying "I'm a complete partisan hack with no idea what i'm talking about" without actually saying it.

So - after all that you've got zero reason to think Harper solicited or encouraged illegal campaign donations.

Well. How about that.

Sounds like yet another liberal hack trying to excuse the actions of your fearless leader by trying to pretend that everyone else is just as corrupt. Yeah  - they're not.  It's you guys.

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12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Soooooo... that's your proof? LoL?

iiiiiisssss THAT your evidence?

 

A blog of mostly made up 'i-don't-like-harper' crap with no evidence of accepting dirty money?

Well i guess that's ONE way of saying "I'm a complete partisan hack with no idea what i'm talking about" without actually saying it.

So - after all that you've got zero reason to think Harper solicited or encouraged illegal campaign donations.

Well. How about that.

Sounds like yet another liberal hack trying to excuse the actions of your fearless leader by trying to pretend that everyone else is just as corrupt. Yeah  - they're not.  It's you guys.

Hey, like I said, it's OK to worship your own particular political party. Yours will always be better than the others.

In todays world partisanship is de riguer.

Just saying if you think yours is so pure, you have been brainwashed  LOL

Me, I am pragmatic, I think all are the same. Some can hide better than others but will do what is necessary to get elected. .

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4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Hey, like I said, it's OK to worship your own particular political party. Yours will always be better than the others.

And you're wrong. An intelligent person weights the evidence all the time and considers their opinon rather blindly following. I may have preferences in general for a party but not blind loyalty.  Ask the federal PC party about that. Good voters are prepared to turn on their party if it goes sideways

But that's the thing - evidence. I keep asking, and you ain't coming up with much of anything.

So the only person i see with blind devotion to their belief right now would be you, and i have to ask why?

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Me, I am pragmatic, I think all are the same.

That's not pragmatic, that's just lazy. Seriously, and i don't mean that as some random insult. There might have been a little more truth to that back in the 80's, but especially these days there is a great deal of difference between parties and politicians. Hell there's even a difference in a specific party depending who the leader is, parties are much more malleable. Are you telling me Jack layton's ndp and jagmeets are the same thing?

But claiming they're 'all the same' allows you to not really focus on the differences, it's a wonderful excuse to not get involved,  it makes it easy to throw up your hands and say 'oh well, no point i guess i don't have to think about it." Now you don't have to work to build better parties, now you don't have to spend time doing your democratic duty and participating - i mean what's the point? They're all the same, no point.

You might even convince yourself not to waste time on voting day. No point. they're the same.

They're not the same and i would strongly encourage you to actually pay attention and dig into it. A democracy REQUIRES the people's honest participation or else it becomes a dictatorship very fast.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And you're wrong. An intelligent person .....

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That's not pragmatic,....

But claiming they're 'all the same' allows you.....

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They're not the same ...

An intelligent person does not succumb to online gibberish, and I do not

Pragmatic: "dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations." which I do, no blind devotion to a political party like you.

"claiming they're 'all the same' allows you" is a pragmatic statement.

Yes, .....they are all good until caught.

 

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On 3/16/2023 at 3:52 PM, ExFlyer said:

Please don't be so naive to think it is only the liberals that play this game?

Politicians, and Politics in general, live and thrive on the donations and "goodwill" of persons or individuals or groups or organizations that they may have never met.

Some politicians are a bit more diligent than others. Others just take... and take.... and take.

I think from the media sources we already know the majority are liberal candidates, but there are a couple of conservatives... either way they should all be hunted down and investigated and if found guilty should be fired and if criminal charges can be laid have them down to the fullest. pensions forfeited, all benefits given up...perhaps treason charges are a little over the top... but something needs to be done...

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16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I think from the media sources we already know the majority are liberal candidates, but there are a couple of conservatives... either way they should all be hunted down and investigated and if found guilty should be fired and if criminal charges can be laid have them down to the fullest. pensions forfeited, all benefits given up...perhaps treason charges are a little over the top... but something needs to be done...

I agree with what you are saying.

My only point is that all parties have stuff in their closets. You only hear about it if they get caught. The Liberals have been in power more than anyone else so I suspect their closet is a lot bigger than the other parties but, be assured, the other parties have their own closets too.

Yeah, well, I agree they should be fired if found guilty but that is up to the public by elections and, if in power, how often will they find themselves guilty?  I mean, Mulroney beat the Airbus scam, Harper beat the Duffy-gate scandal and the NDP, well just propping up Trudeau for 12 years is as big a scandal as I can even think LOL

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