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1 minute ago, myata said:

Already after the Berlin wall and in this century: Baltic states, Moldova, Georgia, now Ukraine, threats to Finland, Sweden and other European countries. Liar. Russia troll.

They'll accept a kick in the stinking thuggish ass and keep accepting them till they figure out the direction they need to head in and asap: after the Russian Navy ship; in the international language, go f*ck themselves in any way they prefer but inside their totalitarian zoo, and that's not conditional.

After the Russian Navy ship, tovarisch!

You will get hate and retribution whenever and wherever you get involved in, tovarisch. There's a logical reason for that too. Try figuring it out, not hard at all.

f*ck you in every way they see fit, tovarisch.

Does Raytheon and Xi Jin Ping pay you for your incoherent propaganda? Or is it the neocon warmongers?

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On 3/16/2023 at 7:20 AM, myata said:

Bullshit. Plain Russian lies. Whatever true or imaginary woes, Russia had and has zero right to invade a sovereign nation, member of UN. If everybody is allowed to do what Russia has been doing in Ukraine the world of tomorrow will be the one of an endless nightmare.

Bullshit. There are all kinds of international bodies, UN, European, European Court of justice, International Criminal Court and Russia has nothing to show exactly because it's bullshit. Plain, obvious propaganda. And logically, can be copypasted everywhere repeating this bullshit adage:

Ukraine is an independent sovereign country, member of United Nations.

Military aggression is explicitly prohibited by the UN Charter.

Russia does not have any right to invade and destroy another country.

These are the facts and they are obvious to a three year old.

Consequently: anybody repeating Russia's bullshit talking points either has a mental capacity below that of a three-year old; or is doing that deliberately and for that there's a well known word: bullshitting; lying. Pick one because there arent' any other credible and plausible possibilities.

Gee...you sure do try hard to warp reality.

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22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Gee...you sure do try hard to warp reality.

What is  "warping"? That unilateral aggression clearly prohibited by UN Charter? How is this possible that you look at obvious facts of reality and see something else? Russia has been all over the place like in other people's places see the facts, but when was one time when NATO was in Russia? What have you done to your brain? is it good for you?

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Gee...you sure do try hard to warp reality.

I don’t understand this at all.

Ukraine is a sovereign, independent country. They are recognized by the UN and all other nations, their borders are established in five treaties signed with Russia. That is what legally makes a country a country.

There was no border dispute between Russia and Ukraine. The borders were peacefully established long before Putin came into power.  Ukraine posed no military threat to Russia, and the proof is that Ukraine has not been bombing Russian cities in retaliation for the invasion. 
 

This whole war is unilateral. It’s very easy to see who’s the good guy and who’s the bad guy. The GOP was strongly unified in being anti-Russian and pro-Ukraine in this conflict until Donald Trump came along. 

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8 hours ago, Mako said:

Well Stalin did seize territory when he was allied with Hitler. And then after WW II Stalin grabbed more territory, but that was a long time ago.

Russians may accept the limited gains they’ve made during the war.

Powerful countries bully smaller countries or ethnicities all the time. The Chinese bully the Uyghurs. The Saudis bully the Yemenis. The Israelis bully the Palestinians.

Should the U.S. be the global policeman?

The Taliban aren’t so nice. Should we get involved in Afghanistan again?

Ethnic Russians live in the Donbas. Border adjustments and negotiations might bring peace.

The CCP is happy to see NATO and Russia at war.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/02/10/niall_ferguson_the_net_beneficiary_of_the_ukraine_war_is_china.html#!

The only thing that will bring peace expeditiously is giving kleptocrat Putin what he wants: the very large gas reserves off the South coast of Ukraine.

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5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Gee...you sure do try hard to warp reality.

 

4 hours ago, myata said:

What is  "warping"? That unilateral aggression clearly prohibited by UN Charter? How is this possible that you look at obvious facts of reality and see something else? Russia has been all over the place like in other people's places see the facts, but when was one time when NATO was in Russia? What have you done to your brain? is it good for you?

Don't feed the TROLL. We KNOW he's LOST when all he has is glib vacuous insults.

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12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Spineless DeSantis was for supporting Ukraine until 5 seconds ago  Now that he wants to rap up the MAGA vote for his presidential run he’s flip flopping 

 

2014

The U.S. House in 2014, then controlled by Republicans, passed the Ukraine Support Act, which authorized then-President Barack Obama to provide assistance to the nation after Russia occupied Crimea. The bill included sanctions against individuals in the Russian government supporting President Vladimir Putin. The legislation passed overwhelming bipartisan support, with a 399-19 vote.

DeSantis, then a Congressman, voted in support

2015

As most Republicans demanded Obama offer stronger support to Ukraine, then-U.S. Rep. DeSantis told conservative radio host Bill Bennett he wanted the administration to do more. CNNunearthed the interview for a report last month.

“We in the Congress have been urging the President, I’ve been, to provide arms to Ukraine. They want to fight their good fight. They’re not asking us to fight it for them. And the President has steadfastly refused. And I think that that’s a mistake,” DeSantis said at the time.

“I think that when someone like Putin sees Obama being indecisive, I think that whets his appetite to create more trouble in the area. And I think if we were to arm the Ukrainians, I think that would send a strong signal to him that he shouldn’t be going any further.”

2017

“A couple years ago, Obama was refusing to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, they were trying to do a reset. The Democrats lauded that. They viewed guys like me who are more of the (Ronald) Reagan school that’s tough on Russia as kind of throwbacks to the Cold War.“

 

2022

DeSantis refused to comment on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year until it was five days in. When he did, he praised Ukrainian leadership. At the time, he said President Biden needed to act tougher and bring sanctions against Putin and Russia.

“This is a guy who basically is an authoritarian gas station attendant — OK? — with some legacy nuclear weapons from the old Soviet Union,” DeSantis said of Putin. “Their whole society is hollowed out except for that energy. Hit him where it counts.”

He again offered praise to Trump and lamented Obama’s failures.

“The media spent four years saying that Trump was some type of agent of Russia,” DeSantis said.

“And yet, when I was in Congress when Obama was President, Obama refused to send weapons to Ukraine. When Trump was President, we sent weapons to Ukraine. Putin didn’t like that very much. When Obama was President, Putin took Crimea. When Trump was President, they didn’t take anything. And now Biden’s President and they’re rolling into Ukraine.”

 

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/595218-over-a-decade-ron-desantis-went-from-a-ukraine-hawk-to-opposing-u-s-support/

How can anyone trust a politician who is so mealy-mouthed? For years he said that the US should defend Ukraine by supplying weapons, and just as fast, he’s changed his mind.  DeSantis has no moral beliefs, just an incessant quest to do or say whatever it takes to win the next election. 

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3 hours ago, Rebound said:

I don’t understand this at all.

Ukraine is a sovereign, independent country. They are recognized by the UN and all other nations, their borders are established in five treaties signed with Russia. That is what legally makes a country a country.

There was no border dispute between Russia and Ukraine. The borders were peacefully established long before Putin came into power.  Ukraine posed no military threat to Russia, and the proof is that Ukraine has not been bombing Russian cities in retaliation for the invasion. 
 

This whole war is unilateral. It’s very easy to see who’s the good guy and who’s the bad guy. The GOP was strongly unified in being anti-Russian and pro-Ukraine in this conflict until Donald Trump came along. 

Not only ^this, but Russia was signatory to the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing the SECURITY OF UKRAINE in return for nuclear divestiture. Putin VIOLATED that agreement with his invasion and put a stake in the heart of nuclear non-proliferation. He cannot be trusted.

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2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

How can anyone trust a politician who is so mealy-mouthed? For years he said that the US should defend Ukraine by supplying weapons, and just as fast, he’s changed his mind.  DeSantis has no moral beliefs, just an incessant quest to do or say whatever it takes to win the next election. 

He's learned a lot about Republican voters from watching Trump. ?

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6 hours ago, Rebound said:

I don’t understand this at all.

Ukraine is a sovereign, independent country. They are recognized by the UN and all other nations, their borders are established in five treaties signed with Russia. That is what legally makes a country a country.

There was no border dispute between Russia and Ukraine. The borders were peacefully established long before Putin came into power.  Ukraine posed no military threat to Russia, and the proof is that Ukraine has not been bombing Russian cities in retaliation for the invasion. 
 

This whole war is unilateral. It’s very easy to see who’s the good guy and who’s the bad guy. The GOP was strongly unified in being anti-Russian and pro-Ukraine in this conflict until Donald Trump came along. 

Read some history and you might understand.

I recommend starting in Feb 2014.

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4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Not only ^this, but Russia was signatory to the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing the SECURITY OF UKRAINE in return for nuclear divestiture. Putin VIOLATED that agreement with his invasion and put a stake in the heart of nuclear non-proliferation. He cannot be trusted.

Nonsense. His invasion IS to guarantee the security of Ukraine.

Security from the illegal manipulations of the west starting in 2014...

 

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7 hours ago, robosmith said:

No serious content in your vacuous "warp reality" CLAIM.

Non-vacuous claims contain specifics and you have bubkis.

Young lady. I tend to only take the time to post informative information to folks I respect.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

More like a psycho killing "Nazi perverts". (corrected - m.)

You've got it! For a psycho, there's always a reason and cause to perform some outrageous, inhumane and criminal acts. Hint: that's how you know a psycho; you know a criminal psycho by their acts and not by "reasons". People just don't do that, whatever reason.

An arrest warrant was issued for Putin for alleged crimes against humanity.

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