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2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

1. Like I said, its widely accepted to remove or cancel something because you're offended by it.  

2. Wanting to see history in a way that doesn't offend you, is delusional at best. History is offensive.

3. Biological men, have zero business competing against biological women in sanctioned or competitive sports. No exceptions.

1. Agreed, and it always has been.  I worry about the times when the cancellation IS resisted more than the opposite.  When someone is cancelled in this way, they have often made their point about the mob mentality or society at large.
2. Agreed, and the fact that an actual government is trying to do this in Florida right now is concerning.
3. There are exceptions to everything.  You want a men-only and women-only Formula 1 series ?  "No exceptions" is a tell that you have adopted a war footing, even if it's defensive against a war footing.

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19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're talking about social progressivism but it's such am amorphous phenomenon that it defies assessment.  Is someone who believes in same-sex marriage far left ?  I can't begin to figure it out.l

The words used to describe political positioning tend to be subjective. They also move around with time. Perhaps one of the problems is that no one takes Communism seriously, as if it doesn't exist. I tend to reflexively think this myself at times, so if we remove Communism from the political spectrum what should we term a position just to the right of where Communism ought to be?

On the other side, we have people who refer to almost anyone even slightly right of centre on a single issue as 'Far right". And I think this is much more commonly used and as a pejorative. Tossing it back in the other direction is also a reflexive thing sometimes, depending on my mood and with whom and on what subject I've recently been talking. I'll concede suggesting academia is governed by the 'far left' was too inexact. Perhaps substituting 'progressives' would have been more accurate. 

As for Jordan and Marxists in colleges, I don't have much difficulty understanding what he means in that the new holy mecca of the progressive left is 'equity', meaning equality of outcomes for all regardless of their actual value, abilities, intelligence, efforts and productivity. It's the same sort of belief Marxism has been touting for a century that there should be no classes, no rich and no poor (which always just makes everyone poor in the end). Thus we have equity activists ending honors programs and programs for the gifted at schools, dropping college entrance exams and mandating the admission of people by identity group rather than abilities. In some areas, they're even watering down the curriculum and testing in order to ensure members of specific identity groups not noted for their devotion to studies graduate at the same rate as those who are. 

It's a profoundly anti-intellectual demand that everyone accepts that every individual is not an individual at all but simply part of a group, a cog as interchangeable as any other. And so every group must perform identically to every other group.

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19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. Liberal media or left-wing ?  Left-wing media that focuses on progressive issues only ?  I can only think of Xtra or The Adovcate which are LGBTQ magazines...

Are you suggesting liberals aren't left wing? I think that on this particular topic of identity politics and culture wars most of us who are conservatives have come to think of anyone on the diversity, equity and inclusiveness bandwagon as "left wing". Equity is equality of results vs equality of opportunity and strikes most of us as Marxian/socialist. 

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16 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Alright, so the Republicans are authoritarian, reactionary, and silly. I completely agree.

Now, considering that fascism is essentially reactionary authoritarianism, am I wrong in saying that the modern GOP is fascist?

Nope. Fascism is not just a pejorative term for anyone authoritarian. It incorporates elements of economic and political doctrine that the Republicans do not. For one thing, far too many of them are libertarian-minded and don't want the 'guberment' telling them what to do (except about abortion and LBGT issues, of course). Most of the support for that fat fool Trump is simply, as  you say, a reaction to the excesses of the progressive left.

16 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

The NY Post literally just did this:

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This is verfickt insane.

Is it any worse than the way the American mainstream media waits eagerly by their computers watching internet reports in hopes of finding a case of a black man killed by a white cop so they can race off to breathlessly cover it and shriek "Racism!" to the world? To the coverage of the 'mostly peaceful' BLM riots that caused billions in damages? It seems to me the media, especially ones like the Washington Post and New York Times, as well as our own CBC prioritize finding racism anywhere, however small, and trumpeting it to the world in screaming headlines.

16 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Again, don't be dismissive when someone actually is acting like a nazi.

Not liking transgenderism is not in any way akin to being a nazi. Most people are uncomfortable with the idea that after operating by the scientific principle for the last few centuries we're suddenly supposed to disregard our eyes and ears and simply accept the claim that a man is a woman and a woman is a man without any valid scientific or medical evidence. Without even any questioning! 

16 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is exactly what the original nazis did to demonize Jews. If one Jew murdered someone, they would run front page stories on it for weeks with headlines like "JEWISH MURDERER STRIKES!"

Well then that's also the exact way the mainstream media and left-wing activists demonize the police. Are they nazis?

 

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6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. The words used to describe political positioning tend to be subjective. They also move around with time. Perhaps one of the problems is that no one takes Communism seriously, as if it doesn't exist. I tend to reflexively think this myself at times, so if we remove Communism from the political spectrum what should we term a position just to the right of where Communism ought to be?

2. On the other side, we have people who refer to almost anyone even slightly right of centre on a single issue as 'Far right".   

3. I'll concede suggesting academia is governed by the 'far left' was too inexact. Perhaps substituting 'progressives' would have been more accurate. 

4. As for Jordan and Marxists in colleges, I don't have much difficulty understanding what he means in that the new holy mecca of the progressive left is 'equity', meaning ...

. In some areas, they're even watering down the curriculum and testing in order to ensure members of specific identity groups not noted for their devotion to studies graduate at the same rate as those who are. 

6. It's a profoundly anti-intellectual demand that everyone accepts that every individual is not an individual at all but simply part of a group, a cog as interchangeable as any other. And so every group must perform identically to every other group.

1. You should call it far left, if it's there.  But you can't call something Communist or far-left if it's something different.  It's like calling forced culture change genocide, or calling grabbing somebody rape.  The approach is somewhat this: we need to make people aware of a greater scope of problem than just mass murder of groups, or forced penetrative sex so we will use the OLD word in a new context to shock people.  We will call Liberals, NDP and such Communist or hard left and we will call George W Bush a fascist.  (I picked easy examples for me).  The problem is that you are blurring the meaning of words, which is what persuaders do nor people who are dealing in facts.

2. Yes exactly.  I think "far right" refers to outright racist doctrine and as such would hesitate to say Trump or the Republicans have ever been there.  Idealogue religious politics or libertarian politics are their own planets and we can use specific words for that.

3. Even progressive is inexact.  You might chance to fashion a word to make people sit up and notice like "post-neoliberal identitarian politics".  If you said that, I would read it twice and likely understand what you mean.

4.  We all know that.  Peterson's sin is that academics are painfully exact with their words.... normally.  This is what makes people like me see him as a harbinger of the intellectual apocalypse.  A populist professor.... yikes...

5.  Actual leftists believe much of these activities are a parlor game like "Clue".... "Mr. Racist did it in the library with a bad pronoun".  It's more about ageism and resentful morality to me.  I try not to bother with it. 

btw I think I posted somewhere an Economist podcast wherein they included that the woke war has both been won and lost in that HR departments have taken enforcement out of the hands of campus hotheads.  This means - on the negative side for some - you actually won't be able to say "trans women are not women" and keep your position as a class lecturer, a committee head, a department head any more than if you said "Black people are inferior".  That's just how it will be.  On the plus side for some - the process and enforcement will be done by the bureaucratic class so it will become rote and dull.  

Please don't take this statement as me supporting or being against this, I'm just the messenger so hold your fire.

6. The contradictions will have to come out and they will.

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15 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. Are you suggesting liberals aren't left wing?
2.I think that on this particular topic of identity politics and culture wars most of us who are conservatives have come to think of anyone on the diversity, equity and inclusiveness bandwagon as "left wing". 

1. The word 'liberal' at its root means... well let's see... see below from Google
2. All of this is amorphous, which is another reason to stay away from arguments on "principle" about ideas that change with the wind.  As a conservative, I support the processes and institutions that considers changes to our rights and integrates such ideas into our culture over time.  Or you could say "I'm a conservative because I'm against same sex marriage in 2023"  but you would be in a minority... of Republicans: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/09/1004629612/a-record-number-of-americans-including-republicans-support-same-sex-marriage
 

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    - willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
    relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
     
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    relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
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45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You want a men-only and women-only Formula 1 series ?

Danica Patrick races with men, but there literally is zero advantage. It's the opposite, which is why it isn't frowned upon.

Hayley Wickenheiser was playing pro hockey with men. She could hold her own, but let's not kid ourselves here, there was a massive size and speed disadvantage. She was keeping up, at best.

Point am making is you're right. In some instances it won't matter that a biological male is competing with a biological woman. 

However, it should never occur in any sports where the edge would go to the trans athlete. 

There is no longer a level playing field, once this is the case.

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36 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

1. Danica Patrick races with men, but there literally is zero advantage. It's the opposite, which is why it isn't frowned upon.

2. Hayley Wickenheiser was playing pro hockey with men. 

3. Point am making is you're right. In some instances it won't matter that a biological male is competing with a biological woman. 

However, it should never occur in any sports where the edge would go to the trans athlete. 

There is no longer a level playing field, once this is the case.

1. So we have an exception.
2. And another.
3. Ok.

I just want people to work it out without strife.

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14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO -  SAYS THE GIRL WHO LITERALLY THINKS "ALL" CONSERVATIVES ARE LESSER PEOPLE!!!  And who CONTINUALLY makes broad statements about them!!  LOL !

Tell me you're a complete hypocrite without telling me :)

Here's the difference. In order to be a conservative, you have to be anti-reality and a total coward. People don't choose to be part of a race.

But even with that being said, I still recognize conservatives as individuals. Most conservatives are fascist, but I recognize that Mitt Romney is an exception. And of course, I also accept that material conditions play a role. People are more likely to fall for right-wing propaganda if they're poor and living in a small town.

You're unable to see people an individuals, which is part of why you're fascist. Fascism relies on extreme collectivism.

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The indivduals are still partaking in that activity knowing there will be violence and they tolerate it and accept it. That's still guilty ESPECIALLY in the US where accessories to crimes are just a guilty as those who commit them.

But the individuals you're referring to made up a tiny minority of the BLM marches. The vast majority of these marches didn't have violence.

 

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This is how stupid the left is. You would watch cities burning and pretend nothing happened and even if it did it's just the right exaggerating.

No, it's actually that we don't watch one clip of a building on fire and decide that the millions of BLM protesters all burned down buildings. Because we are talking literally millions of people who marched as part of BLM. Of course out of millions of people, there are going to be a few violent thugs.

This is a big difference between the Right and the Left. The Right doesn't understand data, they only understand examples. If a conservative sees a homeless person attack someone and right-wing media runs that story over and over, they'll believe that all homeless people are regularly attacking people. Whereas the Left will look at the data to see how often this is really happening and what can be done to reduce the amount of attacks.

 

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What is it with you and Jews? What do you have against the jews that you keep bringing them up and trying to make them responsible for this.

You're being bad faith. I said that you believe the Jews are funding Antifa and BLM to riot. You can't defend that belief, so now you're pretending that I'm blaming Jews for riots, when really I'm saying that your belief is wrong.

This is another common thing that nazis do. When you call them on their racism, they'll pretend that you're being racist in noticing racism. It's the "Democrats are the REAL racists" line.

 

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11 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Not the only example, but it was widely agreed upon, even with the softened language describing the vandalism that occurred multiple times in various cities.

So the problem people had with that statue isn't that they don't want to teach or honor Lincoln anymore. They just didn't like this particular statue because of how the slave is depicted. Nobody was saying we can't have statues of Lincoln or that we need to censor all images of him.

This isn't erasing history. What is erasing history is banning the teaching of the civil war, which only conservatives are trying to do.

11 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Like I said, its widely accepted to remove or cancel something because you're offended by it.

Yeah, on the Right. The Left and the Center don't do that. That's why when right-wing media is trying to talk about "cancel culture" they have to lie. They have to say that Dr Seuss was "cancelled" by the "woke mob." When really, all that happened is that the Dr Suess corporation decided to stop publishing five books that most people didn't even know existed. But because leftists and liberals don't actually try to "cancel" things, right-wing media had to lie.

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It doesn't matter that what you removed, is a beacon of hope stemming from someone who ended slavery. Activists wanted a slave to be portrayed with dignity, ignoring the times where they were seen as subhuman.

 

So I look at it like this. Should media and academia portray Osama Bin Laden accurately? Absolutely. However, I don't want to see statues of him looking rich and powerful at Ground Zero. We build statues to celebrate things. Of course we should portray slavery accurately, but we don't need statue of slaves groveling at another person's feet.

It's the same thing with confederate statues. It's not erasing history to say that we don't want to celebrate these people in public.

 

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I wouldn't be worried about the suicide being fabricated--the elephant in the room, was if their victim was abused or not. If they had been, the lack of suicide is irrelevant, in my opinion.

I would say it's a pretty important detail, but that's not even the issue. Blaire White got the story completely wrong even if you ignore the suicide claim. And she always does this because she wants to market herself as the one sane trans person who calls out the evils of trans people.

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Only trans people without an advantage across the board, are male trans individuals. You don't see such people scrambling for athletics positions. I wonder why.

Actually, the participating of trans people is roughly the same for trans men and trans women. Like I said earlier, there are rigid regulations to make sure the only trans people who make it in are the ones who, due to hormones, no longer have an advantage. The idea that cis men are dominating women's sports by pretending to be trans women is another right-wing lie that the media pushes because Republicans don't have any popular economic policies. It's a distraction from real issues.

 

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13 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Here's the difference. In order to be a conservative, you have to be anti-reality and a total coward. People don't choose to be part of a race.

Thanks for proving my point :)  You don't see people as individuals. You see them as a few big groups.  ALL conservatives - ALL of them - are the way you think they are.

You KNOW how you think is wrong - because you try to cover it up. "ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE DELUSIONAL AND THINK THE SAME WAY".  Ohhhh - ummm -- but i still think of them as individuals. LOL

You very clearly don't think of them as individuals at all

Then  you crybaby that other people don't understand that people are individuals.

There is no difference. Sorry.  You're just a racist bigot and like every racist bigot you THINK you've got a good excuse for your racism and bigotry.

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But the individuals you're referring to made up a tiny minority of the BLM marches.

But all the blm marchers are aware that it's going to happen and these people will use the march to do that. So they're still accomplices.  The MAJORITY of blm supporters tolerate this as part of their marches. Or they wouldn't march, or would take actions to prevent it.

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Because we are talking literally millions of people who marched as part of BLM.

And they all tolerate the violence and destruction done by THOUSANDS (not hundreds) of their own supporters.  Hell - they raise money to bail out the ones arrested.

So MILLIONS OF BLM SUPPORTERS AID AND SUPPORT THE VIOLENCE.

Yet - when a tiny handful of right wing people damage the capital buildings - the entire left screams for months that its' ALL CONSERVATIVES who caused it.

Again - hypocrisy thy name is 'the left"

 

21 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I said that you believe the Jews are funding Antifa and BLM to riot.

I never even mentioned the jews. YOU were the only one to do that.

So why are you trying to pin this on the jews? Why are you trying to drag the jews into this and give them a bad name? Can you point out anywhere i said ANYTHING about jews before you claimed they were involved in this? NO?

Anti semitism is another trademark of the left these days. Drop the hatred of the jews please - it's disgusting and it's getting close to a line. Hate speech is still a crime in canada.

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6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Nobody was saying we can't have statues of Lincoln or that we need to censor all images of him.

This isn't erasing history.

They are saying that and it is TOTALLY erasing history.

The left Hates america (and canada) as it is today. But - you can't exactly replace it with their socialist utopia if everyone still thinks its a great country.

So - the left is aggressively trying to erase and rewrite history and destroy any symbols of it that are positive so that people will decide maybe america is bad.  They lie - claiming lincon was a terrible person. They claim 'america was built on slavery' when only a tiny percent of americans ever owned slaves.  They try to pretend there is NOTHING positive about it and it should all be torn down.

It's dishonest - and so are you for lying about it.

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1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Here's the difference. In order to be a conservative, you have to be anti-reality and a total coward. People don't choose to be part of a race.

But even with that being said, I still recognize conservatives as individuals. Most conservatives are fascist, but I recognize that Mitt Romney is an exception. And of course, I also accept that material conditions play a role. People are more likely to fall for right-wing propaganda if they're poor and living in a small town.

You're unable to see people an individuals, which is part of why you're fascist. Fascism relies on extreme collectivism.

But the individuals you're referring to made up a tiny minority of the BLM marches. The vast majority of these marches didn't have violence.

 

No, it's actually that we don't watch one clip of a building on fire and decide that the millions of BLM protesters all burned down buildings. Because we are talking literally millions of people who marched as part of BLM. Of course out of millions of people, there are going to be a few violent thugs.

This is a big difference between the Right and the Left. The Right doesn't understand data, they only understand examples. If a conservative sees a homeless person attack someone and right-wing media runs that story over and over, they'll believe that all homeless people are regularly attacking people. Whereas the Left will look at the data to see how often this is really happening and what can be done to reduce the amount of attacks.

 

You're being bad faith. I said that you believe the Jews are funding Antifa and BLM to riot. You can't defend that belief, so now you're pretending that I'm blaming Jews for riots, when really I'm saying that your belief is wrong.

This is another common thing that nazis do. When you call them on their racism, they'll pretend that you're being racist in noticing racism. It's the "Democrats are the REAL racists" line.

 

You make things up, like this business of a poster saying Jews are funding BLM or something.  You just pulled that out of the air.  You call moderate people Nazis and fascists and fail to see the log in your eye on radical left violence.  You’re no better than a right wing radical, but what’s worse is that you call everyone who is moderate a radical. 

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3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Nope. Fascism is not just a pejorative term for anyone authoritarian. It incorporates elements of economic and political doctrine that the Republicans do not. For one thing, far too many of them are libertarian-minded and don't want the 'guberment' telling them what to do (except about abortion and LBGT issues, of course). Most of the support for that fat fool Trump is simply, as  you say, a reaction to the excesses of the progressive left.

Ohhhhhh boy. So I really don't blame you for believing that conservatism is about "small government," both right-wing and liberal media have done a fantastic job in pushing this narrative. But the truth is, it's never been about small government. Conservatism was founded as a reaction to democracy, it was a way to continue having a strict hierarchy after the loss of feudalism. And it's been like that for every conservative president in America.

But alright, let's just focus on modern conservatism. If today's conservatives once wanted small government, they don't want it anymore. The attacks on democracy, the rampant corruption, the book bans, the calls for violence against political enemies, all of these things are popular with the GOP base. And that's not even including the authoritarian laws against abortion and LGBT people.

Let's be even more charitable. Let's just focus on the right-wing establishment, not the voters. The entire establishment has become anti-democracy. Even if you don't think most righties are fascist, the GOP is undeniably reactionary and authoritarian, which is fascism.

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Is it any worse than the way the American mainstream media waits eagerly by their computers watching internet reports in hopes of finding a case of a black man killed by a white cop so they can race off to breathlessly cover it and shriek "Racism!" to the world?

So TBH, I don't think all of these cases are a result of systemic racism either. I think it's more about systemic classism, but the liberal media can't admit that, because they don't want to admit the problem is capitalism.

However, there is a huge difference between painting all trans people as murderers, and acknowledging that policing as an institution is corrupt. And that's really what liberal media does, they point out that the culture of policing is why this happens. They don't pretend that there is something inherently wrong with being a cop. They'll often point out that when good cops do complain about corrupting, they get fired.

That's not the same as right-wing media ignoring thousands of cis mass shooters, defending people who murder LGBT people, and then pretending to finally care now that one of the thousands of mass shooters is trans.

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Not liking transgenderism is not in any way akin to being a nazi. 

This is literally like saying that wanting to eradicate "jewishness" or "jewry" is nothing like being a nazi. And just to be clear, that is what they said at CPAC. Not that they don't like "transgenderism," which would be bad enough, but saying it needs to be "eradicated." That's nazi shit.

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Most people are uncomfortable with the idea that after operating by the scientific principle for the last few centuries we're suddenly supposed to disregard our eyes and ears and simply accept the claim that a man is a woman and a woman is a man without any valid scientific or medical evidence. Without even any questioning! 

My dude, you're allowed to question. Part of right-wing propaganda is pretending that the people they hate, like trans people, are so unreasonable that you can't even ask them questions. It's Tucker Carlson's "BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY THAT ANYMORE" thing, while he's saying the shit that you supposedly can't say.

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The word 'liberal' at its root means... well let's see... see below from Google

I know what a liberal is supposed to be. That doesn't mean that's what a Liberal is. Certainly not THESE Liberals. Just to start with, respect for opinions different from ones own is just not there anymore. Trudeau made that clear when he stated, out of the blue and without consulting anyone else that no one who was pro-life could run for office in his party anymore. Likewise, anyone opposed to gay marriage, and probably now against trans rights. And I would say the same holds true for today's 'liberals' at colleges and universities unless we call them progressives or something new.

And much of the adherence to identity politics and culture war stuff is profoundly illiberal. Including, as I said, the insistence you can't question it if a six-foot-four man with a beard suddenly decides he wishes to now be referred to as a woman and enter boxing or wrestling matches against women.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So we have an exception.
2. And another.

Not really. Both hold zero physical advantages. 

Trans women do, over biological women.

A better argument, would be LeBron James joining the WNBA, because nobody should have barriers.

It sounds crazy, because it is. He would be playing against living pylons. 

To activists, put a trans athlete that crushes records against biological women, and this is equality. 

Ok. O_o

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1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

So I really don't blame you for believing that conservatism is about "small government," both right-wing and liberal media have done a fantastic job in pushing this narrative. But the truth is, it's never been about small government

Wow.  Lie harder.

For conservatives it is about smaller gov't.  Smaller gov't. less taxes,  more rights, less gov't interference in our lives.  That's what we like.

And how thick do you have to be to tell conservatives that they don't know what conservatives are all about :)  :)   That's like a straight white guy telling a lesbian what lesbians like. :)

The left wing, being much more authortarian, is the one who's fond  of big gov't.

 

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

so we will use the OLD word in a new context to shock people.  We will call Liberals, NDP and such Communist or hard left

Is it not the case though, that these terms also evolve over time? - liberal, conservative etc.

There are neoliberals, neoconservatives. Surely there are neomarxists, neocommunists. Which basically means very similar trappings as the older word, but some differences.

It used to be these differences blended them closer together, as centrism, but these days they are going the other way.

I see no reason to believe they simply went away. 
The youth have a saying, " This machine kills all fascists".

One time I asked the guy, "Sounds good! Does that include communists as well?"

No answer. Blank stare.

You do the math

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2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yeah, on the Right. The Left and the Center don't do that. That's why when right-wing media is trying to talk about "cancel culture" they have to lie. 

Chris Harrison – The longtime host of ABC’s “The Bachelor” franchise decided to “step aside” after defending current contestant Rachael Kirkconnell when old photos surfaced of her attending an Old South antebellum party. “While I do not speak for Rachael Kirkconnell, my intentions were simply to ask for grace in offering her an opportunity to speak on her own behalf,” Harrison explained. “What I now realize I have done is cause harm by wrongly speaking in a manner that perpetuates racism, and for that I am so deeply sorry.”

Adam Rubenstein — The former New York Times opinion editor and writer resigned from the paper in December, six months after its staff went into an uproar over a piece he edited by Sen. Tom Cotton. The column by Arkansas Republican argued for the federal government to “send in the troops” to quell violence in cities throughout the country in response to civil unrest following the death of George Floyd. Former editor Mari Weiss wrote on Twitter about the resignation: “Adam was hung out to dry by his own colleagues. Then he and his work were lied about, including in this mendacious editor’s note.”

Gina Carano — The “Mandalorian” actress was fired by Disney after posting on social media that being a Republican in 2021 was similar to being Jewish during Nazi Germany. Her Hollywood agent dropped her, and Hasbro scrapped her “Star Wars” action figures.

Matthew Yglesias — The liberal opinion writer resigned from Vox, a publication he co-founded, after many of his woke colleagues found his articles too right of center. Mr. Yglesias argued against defunding the police this summer and took aim at the liberal term “Latinx” as alienating many people from progressive politics and the Democratic Party. He has since joined Substack, so he can voice his opinions more freely.

Zac Kreugman  — Data scientist for Reuters news fired for criticizing the Black Lives Matter movement in the company’s internal communications forum, debunking Reuters’s own biased reporting, and violating a corporate taboo. Driven by what he called a “moral obligation” to speak out, Kriegman refused to celebrate unquestioningly the BLM narrative and his company’s “diversity and inclusion” programming; to the contrary, he argued that Reuters was exhibiting significant left-wing bias in the newsroom and that the ongoing BLM protests, riots, and calls to “defund the police” would wreak havoc on minority communities. 

Donald McNeil Jr. — Veteran New  York Times reporter forced out after 150 employees demanded his head. His crime? McNeil, 67, went as a representative of the Times on a 2019 trip with American high school students in Peru. There, according to his farewell note to colleagues—which, tellingly, was the first time the context of his career-ending comments had ever been reported during the 8-day life cycle of this journalism-world controversy—McNeil "was asked at dinner by a student whether I thought a classmate of hers should have been suspended for a video she had made as a 12-year-old in which she used a racial slur. To understand what was in the video, I asked if she had called someone else the slur or whether she was rapping or quoting a book title. In asking the question, I used the slur itself."

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1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

But alright, let's just focus on modern conservatism. If today's conservatives once wanted small government, they don't want it anymore.

Well, to begin with, I don't believe the US Republicans are conservatives. So your explanations falter there. There is nothing conservative about Trump or his supporters. And the Republican party is now mostly about catering to the moneymen who fund their campaigns. 

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

The attacks on democracy, the rampant corruption, the book bans, the calls for violence against political enemies,

Both parties in the US are corrupt. Both sides call for book bans. And ANTIFA is well known for its violence.

Also, the US Republican Party is not the focus of conservatism. There are actual conservative parties elsewhere in the world.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

So TBH, I don't think all of these cases are a result of systemic racism either. I think it's more about systemic classism, but the liberal media can't admit that, because they don't want to admit the problem is capitalism.

However, there is a huge difference between painting all trans people as murderers, and acknowledging that policing as an institution is corrupt.

But they don't acknowledge policing as corrupt. They only say it is racist. A black man gets knelt on and dies and there's wall-to-wall coverage across America for months. A white man gets knelt on and dies and crickets chirp. The police who did it are not only not charged, they're not fired. And no one cares.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's not the same as right-wing media ignoring thousands of cis mass shooters, defending people who murder LGBT people, and then pretending to finally care now that one of the thousands of mass shooters is trans.

Yeah, right-wing media doesn't ignore mass shooters, nor defend people who murder LGBT people (examples?)

BTW, according to this, 25% of mass shooters are Black, which is almost double their percentage in the population.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

My dude, you're allowed to question. 

Not about transgenderism, you're not. This is the only forum I know where if I say that there are only two genders and a man can't be a woman I won't get permanently banned. And needless to say, you'll face disciplinary measures if you say something like that at work or school. In fact, we recently saw a high school student suspended from his school for the entire term for saying that very thing.

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2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

In order to be a conservative, you have to be anti-reality and a total coward.

Care to show where on the conservative documents that this is stated? Page 6? 

I may need to get Volume two, if not in the main one.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

However, I don't want to see statues of him looking rich and powerful at Ground Zero.

Thats a horrible example. You are comparing a person who is responsible for over 5, 000 US deaths by act of terrorism, to one who abolished slavery. 

Putting Bin Laden's statue near the world trade, would be the equivalent of painting a lifelike portrait of a child who was hit and killed by a car, onto speed bumps built in their honor.

The picture showcases the lowest moments of a black American. If you know art, you know the picture has correct context. Stuck in the moment between your rock bottom, and dusting yourself back up. 

You may not like the context, but that is more subjective.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's not erasing history to say that we don't want to celebrate these people in public.

Who is saying they are being celebrated, and not just remembered?

So what do you call a statue that a group feels shouldn't be remembered? Here's a hint. It rhymes with erasing history. 

I'll give you time to guess. You'll need it. 

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

no longer have an advantage.

Explain Lia Thomas to me. She was obliterating records. Explain that one to me. Just luck?

I'm transphobic and a righty?

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

The idea that cis men are dominating women's sports by pretending to be trans women is another right-wing lie that the media pushes because Republicans don't have any popular economic policies. It's a distraction from real issues.

Am Canadian. I don't care what Republicans say. 

What is demonstrable, are the advantages a biological male will have over biological women post puberty. Hormone blockers or not.

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The biggest authoritarian threats right now are from the left.  That wasn’t true not that long ago.  Basically the radical left is running formerly moderate liberal parties, universities, large organizations, and almost all media.  Not toeing the line runs the risk of losing employment and status, to the extent of cancellation and erasure.   

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2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

1. That doesn't mean that's what a Liberal is.  

1. You didn't have the capital L in that last post.   I have nothing to say in defence of that party, but I will comment if I see spurious or hyperbolic claims because bad criticism helps the status quo.

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