Canadian Catholic student arrested for saying men are different from women.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'm sorry, I didn't think you were this stupid. I don't mean literally every liberal is secretly a fascist. The phrase refers to how fascists often pose as liberals, because liberalism maintains the status quo.

How about giving us some examples of fascists posing as liberals. Because oddly enough I can't seem to think of any. I doubt anyone else here can either. Clearly, you have different sources of information unbeknownst to mere mortals.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's a tactic to get people to stop fighting fascism, while other fascists continue pushing society to the Right. Tim Pool is a good example of a fascist in liberal clothing.

As I suspected, you use the term 'fascist' as an epithet to hurl at anyone whose views you dislike simply because you heard it's a bad thing to be. This individual, who I'd never heard before, reads like someone who started out left wing and over some years converted to what the Americans call 'conservative'. He's a Trump supporter and anti-vaccine campaigner. There's nothing liberal about him. On the other hand, there's nothing fascist about him either.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

No, dipshit, I said it should all be legal. That doesn't mean any of them are good. Like I said, it should be legal for people to self-segregate themselves however they want as long as it's on private property. However, I think segregation based on sex or gender is stupid.

So yeah, female-only spaces should be legal, but I still think segregation based on sex is stupid.

Why do you think segregation based on sex is stupid? Do you think males and females should play the same sports. Do you think that's fair? Do you think males and female should be in the same shower rooms and changing rooms together? Do you think females would be comfortable with that? Or most males, for that matter? Do you care? 

It doesn't sound to me like you're a very deep thinker. You seem to have latched onto this trans issue as somehow im portant but you don't really understand the implications or consequences. Nor do you seem to have a mind inquiring enough to care.

 

[Contrarian]

Why don't they just have 4 categories for sports?! 

a) Male

b) Female

c) Trans-Male

d) Trans-Female

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[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/

 

 

Part of the article says "She noted their support for bills to deprive transgender people of gender affirming medical care, bans on using public bathrooms, and targeting of live performances by trans individuals." 

 So nobody is calling for genocide against trans people.  They are advocating reducing the public promotion of trans ideology, reducing gender affirming medical care which is harmful, and grooming of young people and others with the trans ideology.  That's all it is.  

[Zeitgeist]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Part of the article says "She noted their support for bills to deprive transgender people of gender affirming medical care, bans on using public bathrooms, and targeting of live performances by trans individuals." 

 So nobody is calling for genocide against trans people.  They are advocating reducing the public promotion of trans ideology, reducing gender affirming medical care which is harmful, and grooming of young people and others with the trans ideology.  That's all it is.  

This is what happens when people start pretending that facts aren’t true.  It happens when language is used incorrectly.  For example, genocide means killing of a people, not accidentally but intentionally.  Some people think that saying or doing things that some members of a particular identity group might find offensive is genocide.

Fascism denotes right-wing totalitarianism wherein the state and state-sanctioned business dictate how citizens must act with little or no recourse to constitutional or other rights, as the state is the sole arbiter of what is acceptable and the courts follow suit.  Certain individuals and groups that run afoul of state-dictated behaviour are persecuted.  This can happen for superficial reasons such as one’s skin colour or ethnicity.

Some radicals incorrectly use the word fascist to label anyone who isn’t a communist or socialist or anyone who is a conservative or simply not left enough.

Saying things that aren’t true is clearly dangerous and can be highly destructive.  I don’t know why this has to be stated.  What should be obvious simply isn’t so to some people.

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[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/

 

 

Ahh but they lied about what he said. What he said is:

 

“There can be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is all or nothing. If transgenderism is true, if men can become women, then it’s true for everybody of all ages,” he said. “If it is false, then for the good of society, and especially for the good of the poor people who have fallen prey to this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology.”

He in no way called for trans people to be 'eradicated'.

See? The left has to lie to make their point.

[CdnFox]

18 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Kinda. If a nazi ran for office and didn't explicitly use nazi language, Peterson would probably vote for Nazism. 

Here's the difference. The nazis thought the Russians were racially inferior. Most people today are against Russia because of their fascist government. We don't think the Russians are racially inferior, we're not against the Russians as human beings.

Now, if someone was against Russia because of a conspiracy theory that was based on a nazi theory, I would say that person is either a nazi or, at the very best, stupidly promoting Nazism without realizing it.

Are you seriously going to use the bullshit about how the Left opposes Israel, so that means they hate Jews? Please tell me you have a different argument here.

Though I will agree that most of the Right isn't anti-jewish. However, that's why Cultural Marxism uses dog whistles about the Jews. After WWII, being openly anti-jewish became unpopular. So in Cultural Marxism, the nazi conspiracy theory is still there, only it doesn't say the Jews are behind the conspiracy. Instead, it's "Marxists from the Frankfurt School" and people can fill-in the blanks if they want. And even if they don't end up thinking it's the Jews, they're still believing extremely dangerous things about women and LGBT people. Nazism without the racism is still pretty bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

"According to Minnicino, there were two aspects of the Frankfurt School plan to destroy Western culture. Firstly, a cultural critique, by Theodor Adorno and Walter Benjamin, to use art and culture to promote alienation and replace Christianity with socialism. This included the development of opinion polling and advertising techniques to brainwash the populace and control political campaigning. Secondly, the plan supposedly included attacks on the traditional family structure by Herbert Marcuse and Erich Fromm to promote women's rights, sexual liberation, and polymorphous perversity to subvert patriarchal authority.^[5] Minnicino claimed the Frankfurt School was responsible for elements of the counterculture of the 1960s and a "psychedelic revolution", distributing hallucinogenic drugs to encourage sexual perversion and promiscuity.^[5]"

This is legit Neo-Nazism. It's Nazism for the 21st century.

He's lying. This would be like writing a novel that is 95% similar to an earlier novel and then claiming it was a coincidence.

Again, we're not talking about a simple concept here. We're talking about an elaborate conspiracy theory that was created by nazis for no other reason than to justify taking authoritarian measures against groups of people they didn't like. I'm not saying X is bad because the nazis did it. I'm saying X was created by the nazis to justify genocide and authoritarianism. 

It's actually crazy how history is repeating itself now consider who the first victims were. Nazis came for LGBT people first. And look who the right-wing media is calling for genocide against now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft

Well i won't respond point by point. I'll just point out there isn't any truth in there and as we've already noted elsewhere it turns out you're the hate filled bigot using nazi methods to spread your views.  Pretty disgusting. But - that's the far left foryou

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well ok but this is based on eliminating the 'ism', which is equivalent to conversion therapy.  So, not humane but also not elimination of humans.

This is literally like saying, jewry must be eradicated. Woah, hey, I didn't say anything about killing Jews. I said "jewry" or "jewishness" must be eradicated.

And by the way, genocide isn't just mass murder. According to the UN:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Under this definition, conversion therapy could be considered genocide if it was part of a nation-wide program by the government. The Holodomor was a genocide, not because the Soviet soldiers personally shot the Ukrainians, but because they created conditions in Ukraine that caused serious bodily and mental harm.

[Americana Antifa]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well i won't respond point by point. I'll just point out there isn't any truth in there and as we've already noted elsewhere it turns out you're the hate filled bigot using nazi methods to spread your views.  Pretty disgusting. But - that's the far left foryou

🤣

Probably better you give up at this point.

[Americana Antifa]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahh but they lied about what he said. What he said is:

 

“There can be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is all or nothing. If transgenderism is true, if men can become women, then it’s true for everybody of all ages,” he said. “If it is false, then for the good of society, and especially for the good of the poor people who have fallen prey to this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology.”

He in no way called for trans people to be 'eradicated'.

See? The left has to lie to make their point.

This is bad faith semantics. It's like saying we need to eradicate "jewishness" and then pretending you're not talking about killing Jews.

And mass murder isn't the only form of genocide. Creating inhumane conditions for a group of people, like the Soviets did to the Ukrainians during the Holodomor, is also a form of genocide. If Knowles was saying that the government should deny gender affirming therapy to people with gender dysphoria, that would still be calling for genocide.

[Perspektiv]

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

the same way there can never be a set number for religions.

Your "other" religions, make up less than a percent of the global population.

There is a standard here, so most if asked, will be able to name you half a dozen of the largest religions, globally. There will be consensus, as this will be widely accepted. Can be demonstrated, rather easily as facts are abundant literature, etc.

Gender ideology on the basis of stating one is assigned gender at birth, is relatively new. Its incredibly vague, and nobody it seems, can come to a consensus about it. Even those pseudo intellectuals, trying to teach others proper terms.

Your gender isn't assigned. It's recorded at birth. Doctors can 99% of the time, accurately determine whether a child is male or female simply by looking at the genitals. Uncanny.

Gender assignment, that term itself, is relatively new. Pointing out prior times where there were more than two genders doesn't erase that the adoption of such language is new.

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Did you know that stupid people are more likely to believe conspiracy theories with no evidence? 

The irony.

Without looking, name me 20 genders on the spectrum that are widely accepted.

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Part of the article says "She noted their support for bills to deprive transgender people of gender affirming medical care, bans on using public bathrooms, and targeting of live performances by trans individuals." 

 So nobody is calling for genocide against trans people.

First of all, a bill that deprives a group of people of healthcare is a form of genocide. If there was a law saying that doctors couldn't treat Italian-Americans, that would be a genocide against Italian-Americans. This is what denying gender affirming care would be for people who need it.

Secondly, that's not even what Knowles said. He said "transgenderism" must be eradicated at every level.

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They are advocating reducing the public promotion of trans ideology, reducing gender affirming medical care which is harmful, and grooming of young people and others with the trans ideology.  That's all it is.  

So I know conservatards believe whatever right-wing media says, but people like Knowles, Crowder, Shapiro, Walsh all know better. They're knowingly lying when they say that kids are getting groomed.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is bad faith semantics.

Today I learned that Truth and fact = bad faith semantics to bigoted hatemongers on the left. 

There's no genocide, there's no attack on transgender people, it's just an opinion about the political position people take around the issue.

Sorry  you'll have to go back to your echo chamber to sell that garbage.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

First of all, a bill that deprives a group of people of healthcare is a form of genocide. If there was a law saying that doctors couldn't treat Italian-Americans, that would be a genocide

It is not even remotely a form of genocide. Not even close. And they're not saying these people can't receive any treatment. So once again you resort to lies. And gender dysphoria is an illness, not a race or an ethnicity.

Oh but genocide sounds SOOOO much more exciting than the truth!!!!  And it pairs so well with calling people nazis!!!!  So of course you MUST use it even if it's a blatant lie because MUH FEEEEEELS!!!!!

You are a disgusting peddler of lies and hatred. You should be deeply ashamed.

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Why do you think segregation based on sex is stupid? Do you think males and females should play the same sports.

No, if a group of males and females want to have a friendly game of volleyball on the beach, I think they should all be arrested.

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Do you think that's fair? Do you think males and female should be in the same shower rooms and changing rooms together? Do you think females would be comfortable with that? Or most males, for that matter? Do you care? 

Alright, I'll answer this one seriously.

I think all showers and changing rooms should be made more private or at least have the option of privacy. I think it's actually pretty weird the way it is now. Plenty of people actually do refuse to use them because they don't want to be naked around strangers.

Also, you're assuming that ending the sex segregation in these places would make a difference in how comfortable people feel. There are plenty of unisex bathrooms in Europe, plus plenty of nude beaches. It's not seen as a big deal there. Again, I think people should have the option of privacy, but sex segregation doesn't seem to be wanted by either sex there.

Finally, you seem to think trans people look like their sex.

This is Buck Angel, a trans man.

Should Angel have to change with the women? Technically, his biology is more female than male.

This is trans chick and pop superstar Kim Petras. Is she allowed to change with the males?

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It doesn't sound to me like you're a very deep thinker. You seem to have latched onto this trans issue as somehow im portant but you don't really understand the implications or consequences. Nor do you seem to have a mind inquiring enough to care.

This is pure projection. You're mindlessly repeating talking-points that you heard in media without analyzing any of them.

[Michael Hardner]

35 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is literally like saying, jewry must be eradicated. Woah, hey, I didn't say anything about killing Jews. I said "jewry" or "jewishness" must be eradicated.

And by the way, genocide isn't just mass murder. According to the UN:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Under this definition, conversion therapy could be considered genocide if it was part of a nation-wide program by the government. The Holodomor was a genocide, not because the Soviet soldiers personally shot the Ukrainians, but because they created conditions in Ukraine that caused serious bodily and mental harm.

Absolutely.... but it's not murder.  I think I said it's still inhumane or somesuch.

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So biological fact isn’t reality?  

See, I already explained the difference between sex and gender, but you don't care. You'll just keep pretending that you don't know the difference because you don't care about reality. Conservatism as a whole is anti-reality, so this isn't surprising.

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Also stop throwing around the slur “retard”. 

Snowflake. 😆

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Are you for real?  Your posts are immature, inaccurate, shrill, extreme, and insulting.  

Have you tried crying about it?

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is literally like saying, jewry must be eradicated. Woah, hey, I didn't say anything about killing Jews. I said "jewry" or "jewishness" must be eradicated.

The left wing tries to distinguish between "jews" and a "Jewish nation"  all the time.  Like - constantly. They HATE the second while claiming it's no slight on the first.

So - your kind does that literally every day. Distinguishes between the people and the politics.

But ohhhhh -  if someone else does it - ITS GGGEEENNNNOOOOOOCCCIDDEEEEEEE!!!! (ahhhhh freak out!!!!)

What a hypocrite.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

Have you tried crying about it?

If there's tears it's because we're laughing at you

And safe bet you're not making anyone feel more sympathetic to trans people. I mean seriously - with your hatred and bigotry and childish nonsnese - who'd want to be seen to be on your side?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

See, I already explained the difference between sex and gender, but you don't care. You'll just keep pretending that you don't know the difference because you don't care about reality. Conservatism as a whole is anti-reality, so this isn't surprising.

Awwww look guys - this person is all cranky we don't believe in her fan-fiction or the tooth fairy and says we're bad people because of it    Children are so cute when they're like this

[I am Groot]

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

No, if a group of males and females want to have a friendly game of volleyball on the beach, I think they should all be arrested.

So you're okay with males beating up females then.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I think all showers and changing rooms should be made more private or at least have the option of privacy. I think it's actually pretty weird the way it is now. Plenty of people actually do refuse to use them because they don't want to be naked around strangers.

It's not just a matter of being naked around strangers. Lots of public showers are set up to have private stalls for showering.  Unfortunately, at least in North America, those stalls resemble public toilets. Which means you rely on those outside not to peek. Given male voyeurism, esp younger males, that's a lot of trust to ask of females.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 There are plenty of unisex bathrooms in Europe, plus plenty of nude beaches. It's not seen as a big deal there.

So then no privacy for female Muslims, right? Whip off that hijab or burqua in front of the males and stop whining.

Incidentally, most public toilets in Europe are far more private than in North America. Their toilet doors don't have cracks on the sides or big openings on the bottom and top. Perhaps the difference between a beach where you CAN go nude, and a place where you HAVE TO remove some clothes.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Finally, you seem to think trans people look like their sex.

I've said already if you want to be considered the other gender do the surgery. As long as you've got a dick you're male.

[Americana Antifa]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

How about giving us some examples of fascists posing as liberals. Because oddly enough I can't seem to think of any. I doubt anyone else here can either. Clearly, you have different sources of information unbeknownst to mere mortals.

Did I not mention Tim Pool in that last post? Well, Tim Pool is probably the most famous example. He pretends that he's a liberal, but other liberals have just "gone too far." And now he's critical of "both sides" but he only criticizes the Democrats. 

Bill Maher is similar, but I don't think he's a fash. He's a true liberal, but he's reactionary, which is why he ends up siding with the Right so often.

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

As I suspected, you use the term 'fascist' as an epithet to hurl at anyone whose views you dislike simply because you heard it's a bad thing to be. 

 

[bcsapper]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sounds like a religion or two I can think of as well.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is literally like saying, jewry must be eradicated. Woah, hey, I didn't say anything about killing Jews. I said "jewry" or "jewishness" must be eradicated.

And by the way, genocide isn't just mass murder. According to the UN:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Under this definition, conversion therapy could be considered genocide if it was part of a nation-wide program by the government. The Holodomor was a genocide, not because the Soviet soldiers personally shot the Ukrainians, but because they created conditions in Ukraine that caused serious bodily and mental harm.

Well I agree that genocide can happen indirectly through imprisonment, sterilization, and other sick privations, exiles, etc.   Just make sure you’re keeping to the meaning of intentionally trying to eliminate a people, as gen means people; cide means kill.

Edited March 23 by Zeitgeist