Canadian Catholic student arrested for saying men are different from women.

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I'm not sure what your point is.  You seem to be trying to whitewash support for terrorism in the Muslim world.

No. Am pointing to the vast majority of Muslims who do not.

Again, somehow for a few bad apples, its somehow justified to put my feet to the fire, and demand answers (or any demographic with a small percentage of horrible people within it.

Extremists are everywhere. From the Proud Boys, to Antifa. Does this mean that all Democrats or Conservatives are horrible and out of touch? To associate the entire group with the extremists, is just creating hate and divisiveness on an incredibly inaccurate scale.

Terrorism is wrong. The vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with it, nor should have to answer for behavior they are not responsible for.

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Extremists are everywhere. From the Proud Boys, to Antifa. Does this mean that all Democrats or Conservatives are horrible and out of touch?

That comparison is called false equivalency. 

There is no comparison.  Islamic extremists are killing people and groups of people every day somewhere in the world.  The groups you mentioned don't.  Seems like you don't accept the politically incorrect truth.

"Boko Haram kills, ‘beheads with chainsaws’ 40 people to derail Nigeria elections.

Militants from extremist group Boko Haram attacked several Nigerian towns, torching houses and fatally shooting those who fled before reportedly beheading some of the bodies with chainsaws. The string of terror attacks comes amid the presidential vote."

Boko Haram kills, ‘beheads with chainsaws’ 40 people to derail Nigeria elections — RT World News

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth (thereligionofpeace.com)

 

[impartialobserver]

If the truth is that the student was initially arrested for trespassing ( no matter how legit the arrest was) then claiming that he was arrested for something that occurred after that is a bit disingenuous. It reminds me of when our dept ruled against someone's appeal because they kept giving wrong information. Afterwards, he claimed it was due to his being white and living in Hawthorne, NV. He kept this up even when we pointed out in black and white that he misspelled the name of the employer 3 times and gave wrong times of employment on 3 occassions. 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If the truth is that the student was initially arrested for trespassing ( no matter how legit the arrest was) then claiming that he was arrested for something that occurred after that is a bit disingenuous.

Other way around. They didn't like what they said, banned him from being at the school for the year, and then called 'tresspass' when he showed up for classes because he didn't accept their ban on his speech.  So - arrest was last.

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Other way around. They didn't like what they said, banned him from being at the school for the year, and then called 'tresspass' when he showed up for classes because he didn't accept their ban on his speech.  So - arrest was last.

I will read into this more. There is a heavy stench of BS in this story. 

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Islamic extremists

Exactly. 

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Any kind of sexual preference is fine as long as it involves consenting adults. So no, it's not transphobic if a woman only wants to date or have sex with cis women.

You are not exactly holding true to your name. You'd be canceled for this belief in many places.

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I think you have me confused with someone else here. I never said that females or cis women shouldn't be able to discriminate. I think that should be legal as long as it's not a public space. If a cis woman has a business and only wants to hire cis women, I think that's stupid, but it should be legal.

That's an odd position to take unless you're going to be brazenly hypocritical and say only women and not men should have that right.

But even with that the Trans activists and now government continue to insist males who identify as women should be treated like females in such things as inclusion in female spaces (changing rooms, showers, bathroom, gyms, shelters, sports, etc). 

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Oh, verpiss dich. If you really cared about kids, you wouldn't want little boys changing in front of cis men with erections. This is such a fake argument. 

 

It's not. There are a miniscule number of males who are pedophiles who would be sexually attracted to young boys. But all males (excluding gays) feel sexual attraction to females.

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I find it especially funny that you claim the Left wants to replace western values, but it's only the Right that is against things like democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality before the law, and so on.

Nonsense. The Left does not agree with freedom of speech if it offends them, nor with freedom of religion except for religions that are not considered 'white'. For Islam or other religions not native to Canada they're enthusiastically in favor of freedom. I don't know anyone who doesn't believe in equality before the law or democracy, except some American Republicans. And they're mostly Trumpists.

 

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

These are the values that Western Civilization was built on. Y'all pretend the Left is against western values, then vote for fascists.

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I don't understand what isn't being respected.  And how does that Stack up with telling a trans kid they aren't trans?

You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

If someone says they are of the opposite sex then let them go under the knife and change their body. Cut their dicks and balls off and we can talk.

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. Still waiting for the details on this.

https://barrhavenindependent.ca/2023/03/20/ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem#:~:text=For the second time this,board chair for the meeting.

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

I will read into this more. There is a heavy stench of BS in this story. 

Its heavy handed BS. 

I read half a dozen.

All point to him stating his opinion in front of trans kids. Ignoring multiple warnings, and planning to crash an LGBTQ pride parade.

It would be like me stating (insert demographic in my class) doesn't belong in this country. It doesn't matter what supporting arguments you bring to the table. You went about it in such a horrible way, nobody of any sound character would give you any time to speak.

The latter, is harassment. 

You didn't get listened to, had a tantrum and faced consequences for it.

Then went to Fox to play innocent.

[Perspektiv]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

Seriously. Its essentially trans rights and comfort at the expense of biological females.

This isn't to me what progress looks like. There should be unisex washrooms. You're trans, and the reality is if you're not passable, most people will be incredibly uncomfortable with you in their washroom.

[Michael Hardner]

53 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

2. If someone says they are of the opposite sex then let them go under the knife and change their body. Cut their dicks and balls off and we can talk.

 3. Link

1. Right.  They're accompanied by teachers too.  What's the disrespect?

2. I already understood that to be your opinion.

3. Well, I agree with cutting off the parent based on them lying about what they were speaking about, and characterizing bathroom policy as "aimed at protecting his children from potential predators".  Thanks for posting the details.

The board has made its policy and they're not going to talk about this.  I can't say I agree 100% with that, but opponents to the policy will have to find another way to get their case heard.  I don't agree with the approach this parent took.

[Michael Hardner]

@I am Groot also, I see we're not in the same board as the Baptist student, so the point about the Board resisting Ontario policy isn't valid.

These people are disrupting meetings with no hope of effecting change anyway as it's not in the Board's power.

[Zeitgeist]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Right.  They're accompanied by teachers too.  What's the disrespect?

2. I already understood that to be your opinion.

3. Well, I agree with cutting off the parent based on them lying about what they were speaking about, and characterizing bathroom policy as "aimed at protecting his children from potential predators".  Thanks for posting the details.

The board has made its policy and they're not going to talk about this.  I can't say I agree 100% with that, but opponents to the policy will have to find another way to get their case heard.  I don't agree with the approach this parent took.

So basically you don’t think the anxiety, modesty, and safety of females who don’t want biological males in their washrooms warrant to have these concerns respected?

Yet a trans person can use a one toilet washroom for all genders without violating these females’ rights. Where is your perspective?

Edited March 21 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

@I am Groot also, I see we're not in the same board as the Baptist student, so the point about the Board resisting Ontario policy isn't valid.

These people are disrupting meetings with no hope of effecting change anyway as it's not in the Board's power.

Not true.  The Catholic board can assert religious Charter rights but chose not to. 

Edited March 21 by Zeitgeist

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The “liberal” that you seem to reference is in short supply.  It’s not typical anymore.  It’s not in mainstream media anymore, which has shifted left.  The Liberal Party of Canada is no longer liberal.  They shifted left to win NDP votes and never looked back. Left isn’t really the accurate word to describe what’s happening actually.  It’s more like official media.  Basically as it was in the Soviet Union, there isn’t much news in the news anymore.  It’s pro-government rhetoric and groupthink, as long as the government is Democrat or Liberal.  Fox cashed in on the dearth of any alternative mainstream voice. I used to see Fox as the outlier, but actually if you watch someone like Tucker Carlson, a self-proclaimed conservative, he throws Republicans under the bus almost as much as Democrats because they’re all enabling the same unquestioning narratives.

I used to go to lefties like Noam Chomsky for something approaching the truth.  Now I have to go to Epoch Times or the National Post because much of what I see in the mainstream media doesn’t sit right with my conscience or ring true anymore.

That world of Liberal vs. Conservative and Democrat vs. Republican is increasingly meaningless.

Russell Brand caused a fuss on Bill Maher when he went after the MSNBC reporter, because we’re all expected to believe CNN and MSNBC.  They’re simply too biased these days.  Yes, Fox is too biased too.  The middle ground is lost, but it’s happening because radical left ideology is alienating people, telling them they’re racist, causing the planet to overheat and making them swallow pseudoscience about gender and other ideas that are quite irrelevant to the major issues in the world today, such as war, poverty, economic opportunity, free speech, and cancel culture.

Such reasonable and tolerant old-school Canadian views. You are a true liberal, not like these imposters who've taken to the podium spouting their hate and division.

You make me want to say, "Yes Virginia, there are Canadians here."

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

If someone says they are of the opposite sex then let them go under the knife and change their body. Cut their dicks and balls off and we can talk.

https://barrhavenindependent.ca/2023/03/20/ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem#:~:text=For the second time this,board chair for the meeting.

Interesting that since the rape by a trans woman of another woman in an institutional setting, the Scottish woke obsession abated somewhat.  Something similar happened to the trans surgery trend in England after a trans surgery clinic became buried in lawsuits from former clients with buyer’s remorse.

[Michael Hardner]

47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. So basically you don’t think the anxiety, modesty, and safety of females who don’t want biological males in their washrooms warrant to have these concerns respected?

2. Yet a trans person can use a one toilet washroom for all genders without violating these females’ rights. Where is your perspective?

1. If I express anxiety over something, do I have to be accommodated?  The school is sending teachers into the washroom... Modesty?  How is that part of this.  It's a stretch IMO.

2. Is there an all gender washroom?  You want them to build one?

[Michael Hardner]

48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Not true.  The Catholic board can assert religious Charter rights but chose not to. 

In saying that this is not a Catholic board.  It's public.

[Zeitgeist]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. If I express anxiety over something, do I have to be accommodated?  The school is sending teachers into the washroom... Modesty?  How is that part of this.  It's a stretch IMO.

2. Is there an all gender washroom?  You want them to build one?

Every school I’ve visited has at least one such washroom, usually originally intended for adult use.  Without such a washroom, allowing biological males to enter female washrooms is a violation of the security of the person.  Are trans men now standing and urinating in urinals beside other males?   Let me guess, that’s fine with you no matter what anyone else wants?

Edited March 22 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

In saying that this is not a Catholic board.  It's public.

Well you’re saying wrong if you’re talking about the Ontario Catholic school board.  Catholic education is constitutionally protected for all time in Ontario.  The government can’t make people not be Catholic in a Catholic school.  This board, however, allowed Caesar carte blanche.  That was a mistake.  

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well you’re saying wrong if you’re talking about the Ontario Catholic school board.  Catholic education is constitutionally protected for all time in Ontario.  The government can’t make people not be Catholic in a Catholic school.  This board, however, allowed Caesar carte blanche.  That was a mistake.  

I can't follow this.

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I can't follow this.

Ontarians have a constitutionally protected right to a Catholic education.  The Catholic Catechism teaches that your gender is your biological gender, so allowing biological males into female washrooms is against Catholic teachings because the Church doesn’t recognize a biological male as a female.

The answer continues to be having a separate all-gender washroom just like the 2-piece washroom in your home.

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  the Church doesn’t recognize a biological male as a female.

Ok I thought that's what you were saying.  We covered this above.

There are two different school boards being discussed on the thread - one Catholic, one public.

[Zeitgeist]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok I thought that's what you were saying.  We covered this above.

There are two different school boards being discussed on the thread - one Catholic, one public.

Okay so with regard to Ottawa-Carleton, nothing this parent said in his presentation was hateful.  He was sharing the legitimate safety concerns of thousands of parents in his school district. What about the rights of biological females to feel safe?   This parent actually referenced that an all-gender one person washroom is available to students, so why alienate a substantial portion of the population to push through an unnecessary policy that is felt to be a safety threat by many students? So much for female rights and the rights of children.  

Edited March 22 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

No it isn’t.  It’s a prolific aspect of post-modern western culture.

It's not only based on the nazi conspiracy theory of "Cultural Bolshevism," but it's pretty much the exact same thing. So how exactly is this not a nazi conspiracy theory?