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1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Here's the difference. In order to be a conservative, you have to be anti-reality and a total coward. People don't choose to be part of a race.

But even with that being said, I still recognize conservatives as individuals. Most conservatives are fascist, but I recognize that Mitt Romney is an exception. And of course, I also accept that material conditions play a role. People are more likely to fall for right-wing propaganda if they're poor and living in a small town.

You're unable to see people an individuals, which is part of why you're fascist. Fascism relies on extreme collectivism.

But the individuals you're referring to made up a tiny minority of the BLM marches. The vast majority of these marches didn't have violence.

 

No, it's actually that we don't watch one clip of a building on fire and decide that the millions of BLM protesters all burned down buildings. Because we are talking literally millions of people who marched as part of BLM. Of course out of millions of people, there are going to be a few violent thugs.

This is a big difference between the Right and the Left. The Right doesn't understand data, they only understand examples. If a conservative sees a homeless person attack someone and right-wing media runs that story over and over, they'll believe that all homeless people are regularly attacking people. Whereas the Left will look at the data to see how often this is really happening and what can be done to reduce the amount of attacks.

 

You're being bad faith. I said that you believe the Jews are funding Antifa and BLM to riot. You can't defend that belief, so now you're pretending that I'm blaming Jews for riots, when really I'm saying that your belief is wrong.

This is another common thing that nazis do. When you call them on their racism, they'll pretend that you're being racist in noticing racism. It's the "Democrats are the REAL racists" line.

 

You make things up, like this business of a poster saying Jews are funding BLM or something.  You just pulled that out of the air.  You call moderate people Nazis and fascists and fail to see the log in your eye on radical left violence.  You’re no better than a right wing radical, but what’s worse is that you call everyone who is moderate a radical. 

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3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Nope. Fascism is not just a pejorative term for anyone authoritarian. It incorporates elements of economic and political doctrine that the Republicans do not. For one thing, far too many of them are libertarian-minded and don't want the 'guberment' telling them what to do (except about abortion and LBGT issues, of course). Most of the support for that fat fool Trump is simply, as  you say, a reaction to the excesses of the progressive left.

Ohhhhhh boy. So I really don't blame you for believing that conservatism is about "small government," both right-wing and liberal media have done a fantastic job in pushing this narrative. But the truth is, it's never been about small government. Conservatism was founded as a reaction to democracy, it was a way to continue having a strict hierarchy after the loss of feudalism. And it's been like that for every conservative president in America.

But alright, let's just focus on modern conservatism. If today's conservatives once wanted small government, they don't want it anymore. The attacks on democracy, the rampant corruption, the book bans, the calls for violence against political enemies, all of these things are popular with the GOP base. And that's not even including the authoritarian laws against abortion and LGBT people.

Let's be even more charitable. Let's just focus on the right-wing establishment, not the voters. The entire establishment has become anti-democracy. Even if you don't think most righties are fascist, the GOP is undeniably reactionary and authoritarian, which is fascism.

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Is it any worse than the way the American mainstream media waits eagerly by their computers watching internet reports in hopes of finding a case of a black man killed by a white cop so they can race off to breathlessly cover it and shriek "Racism!" to the world?

So TBH, I don't think all of these cases are a result of systemic racism either. I think it's more about systemic classism, but the liberal media can't admit that, because they don't want to admit the problem is capitalism.

However, there is a huge difference between painting all trans people as murderers, and acknowledging that policing as an institution is corrupt. And that's really what liberal media does, they point out that the culture of policing is why this happens. They don't pretend that there is something inherently wrong with being a cop. They'll often point out that when good cops do complain about corrupting, they get fired.

That's not the same as right-wing media ignoring thousands of cis mass shooters, defending people who murder LGBT people, and then pretending to finally care now that one of the thousands of mass shooters is trans.

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Not liking transgenderism is not in any way akin to being a nazi. 

This is literally like saying that wanting to eradicate "jewishness" or "jewry" is nothing like being a nazi. And just to be clear, that is what they said at CPAC. Not that they don't like "transgenderism," which would be bad enough, but saying it needs to be "eradicated." That's nazi shit.

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Most people are uncomfortable with the idea that after operating by the scientific principle for the last few centuries we're suddenly supposed to disregard our eyes and ears and simply accept the claim that a man is a woman and a woman is a man without any valid scientific or medical evidence. Without even any questioning! 

My dude, you're allowed to question. Part of right-wing propaganda is pretending that the people they hate, like trans people, are so unreasonable that you can't even ask them questions. It's Tucker Carlson's "BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY THAT ANYMORE" thing, while he's saying the shit that you supposedly can't say.

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The word 'liberal' at its root means... well let's see... see below from Google

I know what a liberal is supposed to be. That doesn't mean that's what a Liberal is. Certainly not THESE Liberals. Just to start with, respect for opinions different from ones own is just not there anymore. Trudeau made that clear when he stated, out of the blue and without consulting anyone else that no one who was pro-life could run for office in his party anymore. Likewise, anyone opposed to gay marriage, and probably now against trans rights. And I would say the same holds true for today's 'liberals' at colleges and universities unless we call them progressives or something new.

And much of the adherence to identity politics and culture war stuff is profoundly illiberal. Including, as I said, the insistence you can't question it if a six-foot-four man with a beard suddenly decides he wishes to now be referred to as a woman and enter boxing or wrestling matches against women.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So we have an exception.
2. And another.

Not really. Both hold zero physical advantages. 

Trans women do, over biological women.

A better argument, would be LeBron James joining the WNBA, because nobody should have barriers.

It sounds crazy, because it is. He would be playing against living pylons. 

To activists, put a trans athlete that crushes records against biological women, and this is equality. 

Ok. O_o

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1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

So I really don't blame you for believing that conservatism is about "small government," both right-wing and liberal media have done a fantastic job in pushing this narrative. But the truth is, it's never been about small government

Wow.  Lie harder.

For conservatives it is about smaller gov't.  Smaller gov't. less taxes,  more rights, less gov't interference in our lives.  That's what we like.

And how thick do you have to be to tell conservatives that they don't know what conservatives are all about :)  :)   That's like a straight white guy telling a lesbian what lesbians like. :)

The left wing, being much more authortarian, is the one who's fond  of big gov't.

 

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

so we will use the OLD word in a new context to shock people.  We will call Liberals, NDP and such Communist or hard left

Is it not the case though, that these terms also evolve over time? - liberal, conservative etc.

There are neoliberals, neoconservatives. Surely there are neomarxists, neocommunists. Which basically means very similar trappings as the older word, but some differences.

It used to be these differences blended them closer together, as centrism, but these days they are going the other way.

I see no reason to believe they simply went away. 
The youth have a saying, " This machine kills all fascists".

One time I asked the guy, "Sounds good! Does that include communists as well?"

No answer. Blank stare.

You do the math

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2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yeah, on the Right. The Left and the Center don't do that. That's why when right-wing media is trying to talk about "cancel culture" they have to lie. 

Chris Harrison – The longtime host of ABC’s “The Bachelor” franchise decided to “step aside” after defending current contestant Rachael Kirkconnell when old photos surfaced of her attending an Old South antebellum party. “While I do not speak for Rachael Kirkconnell, my intentions were simply to ask for grace in offering her an opportunity to speak on her own behalf,” Harrison explained. “What I now realize I have done is cause harm by wrongly speaking in a manner that perpetuates racism, and for that I am so deeply sorry.”

Adam Rubenstein — The former New York Times opinion editor and writer resigned from the paper in December, six months after its staff went into an uproar over a piece he edited by Sen. Tom Cotton. The column by Arkansas Republican argued for the federal government to “send in the troops” to quell violence in cities throughout the country in response to civil unrest following the death of George Floyd. Former editor Mari Weiss wrote on Twitter about the resignation: “Adam was hung out to dry by his own colleagues. Then he and his work were lied about, including in this mendacious editor’s note.”

Gina Carano — The “Mandalorian” actress was fired by Disney after posting on social media that being a Republican in 2021 was similar to being Jewish during Nazi Germany. Her Hollywood agent dropped her, and Hasbro scrapped her “Star Wars” action figures.

Matthew Yglesias — The liberal opinion writer resigned from Vox, a publication he co-founded, after many of his woke colleagues found his articles too right of center. Mr. Yglesias argued against defunding the police this summer and took aim at the liberal term “Latinx” as alienating many people from progressive politics and the Democratic Party. He has since joined Substack, so he can voice his opinions more freely.

Zac Kreugman  — Data scientist for Reuters news fired for criticizing the Black Lives Matter movement in the company’s internal communications forum, debunking Reuters’s own biased reporting, and violating a corporate taboo. Driven by what he called a “moral obligation” to speak out, Kriegman refused to celebrate unquestioningly the BLM narrative and his company’s “diversity and inclusion” programming; to the contrary, he argued that Reuters was exhibiting significant left-wing bias in the newsroom and that the ongoing BLM protests, riots, and calls to “defund the police” would wreak havoc on minority communities. 

Donald McNeil Jr. — Veteran New  York Times reporter forced out after 150 employees demanded his head. His crime? McNeil, 67, went as a representative of the Times on a 2019 trip with American high school students in Peru. There, according to his farewell note to colleagues—which, tellingly, was the first time the context of his career-ending comments had ever been reported during the 8-day life cycle of this journalism-world controversy—McNeil "was asked at dinner by a student whether I thought a classmate of hers should have been suspended for a video she had made as a 12-year-old in which she used a racial slur. To understand what was in the video, I asked if she had called someone else the slur or whether she was rapping or quoting a book title. In asking the question, I used the slur itself."

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1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

But alright, let's just focus on modern conservatism. If today's conservatives once wanted small government, they don't want it anymore.

Well, to begin with, I don't believe the US Republicans are conservatives. So your explanations falter there. There is nothing conservative about Trump or his supporters. And the Republican party is now mostly about catering to the moneymen who fund their campaigns. 

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

The attacks on democracy, the rampant corruption, the book bans, the calls for violence against political enemies,

Both parties in the US are corrupt. Both sides call for book bans. And ANTIFA is well known for its violence.

Also, the US Republican Party is not the focus of conservatism. There are actual conservative parties elsewhere in the world.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

So TBH, I don't think all of these cases are a result of systemic racism either. I think it's more about systemic classism, but the liberal media can't admit that, because they don't want to admit the problem is capitalism.

However, there is a huge difference between painting all trans people as murderers, and acknowledging that policing as an institution is corrupt.

But they don't acknowledge policing as corrupt. They only say it is racist. A black man gets knelt on and dies and there's wall-to-wall coverage across America for months. A white man gets knelt on and dies and crickets chirp. The police who did it are not only not charged, they're not fired. And no one cares.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's not the same as right-wing media ignoring thousands of cis mass shooters, defending people who murder LGBT people, and then pretending to finally care now that one of the thousands of mass shooters is trans.

Yeah, right-wing media doesn't ignore mass shooters, nor defend people who murder LGBT people (examples?)

BTW, according to this, 25% of mass shooters are Black, which is almost double their percentage in the population.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

My dude, you're allowed to question. 

Not about transgenderism, you're not. This is the only forum I know where if I say that there are only two genders and a man can't be a woman I won't get permanently banned. And needless to say, you'll face disciplinary measures if you say something like that at work or school. In fact, we recently saw a high school student suspended from his school for the entire term for saying that very thing.

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2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

In order to be a conservative, you have to be anti-reality and a total coward.

Care to show where on the conservative documents that this is stated? Page 6? 

I may need to get Volume two, if not in the main one.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

However, I don't want to see statues of him looking rich and powerful at Ground Zero.

Thats a horrible example. You are comparing a person who is responsible for over 5, 000 US deaths by act of terrorism, to one who abolished slavery. 

Putting Bin Laden's statue near the world trade, would be the equivalent of painting a lifelike portrait of a child who was hit and killed by a car, onto speed bumps built in their honor.

The picture showcases the lowest moments of a black American. If you know art, you know the picture has correct context. Stuck in the moment between your rock bottom, and dusting yourself back up. 

You may not like the context, but that is more subjective.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

It's not erasing history to say that we don't want to celebrate these people in public.

Who is saying they are being celebrated, and not just remembered?

So what do you call a statue that a group feels shouldn't be remembered? Here's a hint. It rhymes with erasing history. 

I'll give you time to guess. You'll need it. 

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

no longer have an advantage.

Explain Lia Thomas to me. She was obliterating records. Explain that one to me. Just luck?

I'm transphobic and a righty?

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

The idea that cis men are dominating women's sports by pretending to be trans women is another right-wing lie that the media pushes because Republicans don't have any popular economic policies. It's a distraction from real issues.

Am Canadian. I don't care what Republicans say. 

What is demonstrable, are the advantages a biological male will have over biological women post puberty. Hormone blockers or not.

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The biggest authoritarian threats right now are from the left.  That wasn’t true not that long ago.  Basically the radical left is running formerly moderate liberal parties, universities, large organizations, and almost all media.  Not toeing the line runs the risk of losing employment and status, to the extent of cancellation and erasure.   

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2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Is it not the case though, that these terms also evolve over time? - liberal, conservative etc.

2. There are neoliberals, neoconservatives. Surely there are neomarxists, neocommunists. Which basically means very similar trappings as the older word, but some differences.

3. The youth have a saying, " This machine kills all fascists".

4. One time I asked the guy, "Sounds good! Does that include communists as well?"

1.  I'm not sure that such terms do, really.  But I'm open to it.  
2. Yeah, those are newer terms though and maybe that answers your #1.  Some of those terms aren't used really.
3. Woody Guthrie actually.
4. I like to think about what things will be like in 100 years, not 1.

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4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Of course they do. They change with the attitudes of people. What is considered liberal today would be called ultra-liberal some years ago.

I don't think I have heard the term 'ultra liberal'....  I don't think I have used liberal, conservative, far-right, far-left differently in the last 40 years.  
liberal/conservative are general adjectives, both used outside of politics
far-right is ultranationalist, or supremacist ideology
far-left says nationalize and seize assets for the state
 

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10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They are saying that and it is TOTALLY erasing history.

Give me some examples of mainstream leftists or liberals that want to erase Lincoln from history. Not simply remove one statue, but actually want to ban the teaching of Lincoln like the way Republicans want to ban the teaching of anything related to civil right movements.

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The left Hates america (and canada) as it is today. But - you can't exactly replace it with their socialist utopia if everyone still thinks its a great country.

This is such a weak-ass argument. Literally everyone wants to change their own country and the world in some ways. Conservatives will say "You hate America, you want to change it!" but then go ahead and make changes the moment they have the power to do so. If you thought Canada was perfect, you wouldn't want to replace any of the laws or policy.

If anything, I would say authoritarians like you hate western countries because you want to fundamentally change their foundations. America and Canada were built on western values, which you oppose. Sure, I want to change America and Canada too, but I want to make them more democratic, which means I want to expand upon the values that built them.

 

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9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You make things up, like this business of a poster saying Jews are funding BLM or something.  You just pulled that out of the air.  You call moderate people Nazis and fascists and fail to see the log in your eye on radical left violence.  You’re no better than a right wing radical, but what’s worse is that you call everyone who is moderate a radical. 

I'm familiar enough with right-wing dog whistles to know when someone is using nazi or fascist talking-points.

And not only do I not call moderate people nazis or fascists, but I even said that a few Republicans, like Mitt Romney, aren't fascist.

But I get it, you have to lie, since you can't defend your own fascism.

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9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Wow.  Lie harder.

For conservatives it is about smaller gov't.  Smaller gov't. less taxes,  more rights, less gov't interference in our lives.  That's what we like.

I know, right? Conservatives want to legalize drugs, prostitution, abortion, because they understand that adults can do what they want with their own bodies.

Oh, no wait, those are the imaginary conservatives that don't actually exist. When the Right says "small government" or "freedom" what they really mean is less government regulation that helps the working-class. Are the people of East Palestine more free now that a train derailment destroyed their town all because Trump deregulated the train industry? Of course not, because those regulations exist to maximize our freedom and standard of living. 

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The left wing, being much more authortarian, is the one who's fond  of big gov't.

Yeah, that's why leftists tried to steal the 2020 election and create a dictatorship. ?

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8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Chris Harrison – The longtime host of ABC’s “The Bachelor” franchise decided to “step aside” after defending current contestant Rachael Kirkconnell when old photos surfaced of her attending an Old South antebellum party. “While I do not speak for Rachael Kirkconnell, my intentions were simply to ask for grace in offering her an opportunity to speak on her own behalf,” Harrison explained. “What I now realize I have done is cause harm by wrongly speaking in a manner that perpetuates racism, and for that I am so deeply sorry.”

I looked into this and apparently very few people were actually calling for him to be fired, the network just wanted him off the show because it was causing bad publicity.

Personally, I wouldn't have fired him, but this is just how business works. If someone is making the brand look bad, they get fired. This isn't "cancel culture," this is just a business making a business decision.

To put things into perspective, right now conservatives are trying to get a Youtuber named David Pakman cancelled by calling his advertisers and demanding that they stop advertising on Pakman's show, or else they'll organize a boycott of their products. That's an actual insane mob trying to get someone cancelled. And it's not just some fringe randos. Sean Hannity, Marjorie Greene, and Don Jr have been encouraging this.

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Adam Rubenstein — The former New York Times opinion editor and writer resigned from the paper in December, six months after its staff went into an uproar over a piece he edited by Sen. Tom Cotton. The column by Arkansas Republican argued for the federal government to “send in the troops” to quell violence in cities throughout the country in response to civil unrest following the death of George Floyd. Former editor Mari Weiss wrote on Twitter about the resignation: “Adam was hung out to dry by his own colleagues. Then he and his work were lied about, including in this mendacious editor’s note.”

First, there wasn't a huge call by an angry mob to get him cancelled. It was his own staff that got him fired.

Secondly, some people actually do deserve to be deplatformed or at least fired. Rubenstein is one of them. Tom Cotton's take was insane, especially in a time where Trump was legit having peaceful protesters tear gassed. I wish in cases like this, leftists were more active in trying to get people deplatformed.

 

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Gina Carano — The “Mandalorian” actress was fired by Disney after posting on social media that being a Republican in 2021 was similar to being Jewish during Nazi Germany. Her Hollywood agent dropped her, and Hasbro scrapped her “Star Wars” action figures.

Good. Again, there wasn't a mob calling for her to be fired, but I'm glad she was deplatformed.

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Matthew Yglesias — The liberal opinion writer resigned from Vox, a publication he co-founded, after many of his woke colleagues found his articles too right of center. Mr. Yglesias argued against defunding the police this summer and took aim at the liberal term “Latinx” as alienating many people from progressive politics and the Democratic Party. He has since joined Substack, so he can voice his opinions more freely.

So he resigned. Once again, there was no mob calling for him to be fired!

Are you noticing a pattern here?

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Zac Kreugman  — Data scientist for Reuters news fired for criticizing the Black Lives Matter movement in the company’s internal communications forum, debunking Reuters’s own biased reporting, and violating a corporate taboo. Driven by what he called a “moral obligation” to speak out, Kriegman refused to celebrate unquestioningly the BLM narrative and his company’s “diversity and inclusion” programming; to the contrary, he argued that Reuters was exhibiting significant left-wing bias in the newsroom and that the ongoing BLM protests, riots, and calls to “defund the police” would wreak havoc on minority communities. 

So not only were there no mass calls from the public for Zac Kriegman to be fired, but all of the claims on him being fired were according to him. We don't actually know why he was fired. Even if you want to take him at his word, this was yet another case of a business firing someone who hurt the brand, not someone who was "cancelled."

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Donald McNeil Jr. — Veteran New  York Times reporter forced out after 150 employees demanded his head. His crime? McNeil, 67, went as a representative of the Times on a 2019 trip with American high school students in Peru. There, according to his farewell note to colleagues—which, tellingly, was the first time the context of his career-ending comments had ever been reported during the 8-day life cycle of this journalism-world controversy—McNeil "was asked at dinner by a student whether I thought a classmate of hers should have been suspended for a video she had made as a 12-year-old in which she used a racial slur. To understand what was in the video, I asked if she had called someone else the slur or whether she was rapping or quoting a book title. In asking the question, I used the slur itself."

Like the last case, this is all according to McNeil himself, plus even if you take him at his word, there were no public calls for him to be fired.

If your definition of "cancel culture" is just people getting fired for stupid reasons, that's always been a thing and it's done all across the political spectrum. The reason I say only the Right engages in cancel culture is because the term generally refers to the public trying to ruin someone's career forever, usually a celebrity, over a minor infraction. 

Even worse, only the Right tries to legally ban speech that it doesn't like. That goes way further than just deplatforming.

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8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Well, to begin with, I don't believe the US Republicans are conservatives. So your explanations falter there. There is nothing conservative about Trump or his supporters. And the Republican party is now mostly about catering to the moneymen who fund their campaigns. 

My dude. Trumpism is just conservatism on crack. 

Consider two things. First, a movement or ideology is defined by its population. If 95% of people that identify as conservative are reactionary authoritarians, than that's just what it means to be conservative. When Trump went full fascist and just tried to end our democracy, he lost very little support. The few "principles conservatives" do not define conservatism, rather the 95% do.

Secondly, throughout history, people identifying as "conservative" have always leaned towards authoritarianism based on how much they could get away with within a liberal democracy. Conservatives wanted to make it so only people who owned land could vote. When this view became too unpopular, they relented to only white men could vote. Even the electoral college, which is insanely anti-democratic, was always supported by the Right. Conservatives were against freeing the slaves, ending segregation, having a Catholic president, letting Catholics into the country in general, they were against women voting, gay marriage, and now they're against trans rights. This movement was founded on maintaining hierarchy in the face of democracy and it never stopped being like that.

Is Trump worse than any other conservative president we ever had? Yes, no question. But only because past presidents didn't know how far they could go without losing support. Trump, being a retard, doesn't know any better, so he just does what he wants. And he ended up proving that the vast majority of the Right like his fascism and insanity. 

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Both parties in the US are corrupt. Both sides call for book bans. And ANTIFA is well known for its violence.

Both parties are corrupt, but the GOP is infinitely more corrupt, and the Democrats are not fascist. Democrats aren't trying to ban books.

Antifa is only known for its violence because the media focuses on the 1% of violent incidents, just like with BLM.

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Also, the US Republican Party is not the focus of conservatism. There are actual conservative parties elsewhere in the world.

And look what's happening. Now that Trump normalized fascism in America, the single most influential country, fascism is on the rise in Europe. Other right-wing leaders, like the Republicans, see that they can go far-right and not lose much support. Again, the Right is as fascist as they feel they can get away with. This is why the fascists in Austria and Italy haven't gone as far as the fascists in Hungary and Belarus.

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

But they don't acknowledge policing as corrupt. They only say it is racist. A black man gets knelt on and dies and there's wall-to-wall coverage across America for months. A white man gets knelt on and dies and crickets chirp. The police who did it are not only not charged, they're not fired. And no one cares.

Now that I do agree with. The media wants people to think systemic racism is the issue so we don't realize the real problem is capitalism. This is why a lot of cases of white people getting killed by cops goes ignored.

However, I disagree with the media claiming all cops are bad. The narrative is always that policing is corrupt and the good cops are unwilling to speak against the bad cops, due to the culture of the thin blue line.

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Yeah, right-wing media doesn't ignore mass shooters, nor defend people who murder LGBT people (examples?)

When the Q Club was shot up, right-wing media was not only claiming that the LGBT community brought this on themselves, but pundits like Tim Pool were lying and saying that the club was having a "grooming event." This is like legit psychopath shit.

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Not about transgenderism, you're not. This is the only forum I know where if I say that there are only two genders and a man can't be a woman I won't get permanently banned. And needless to say, you'll face disciplinary measures if you say something like that at work or school. In fact, we recently saw a high school student suspended from his school for the entire term for saying that very thing.

There's a difference between asking questions in good faith and just trolling. When you say "there are only two genders and a man can't be a woman," you're not asking question to learn about what pro-trans people believe. You're just trying to start a flame war. And really, in a political climate we're in now, can you blame people for not wanting to deal with this shit? This is like trolling Muslims in China days before the genocide began. I really don't blame anyone for not wanting to engage in bad faith bullshit.

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8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Care to show where on the conservative documents that this is stated? Page 6? 

I may need to get Volume two, if not in the main one.

My dude, look at their media. They're completely disconnected from reality.

Remember DeSantis' human trafficking stunt? When the migrants got there, all of Martha's Vinyard came out to feed and cloth them. DeSantis was hoping that the people there were just as racist as his own supporters, but he was wrong. But conservatives are anti-reality, so they all just pretended that the liberals were outraged. The entire right-wing establishment lied, even as other media was showing videos of the migrants being welcomed.

I could list example after example, but come on, the face of the Right is Donald Trump. You know damn well these people don't care about truth.

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Thats a horrible example. You are comparing a person who is responsible for over 5, 000 US deaths by act of terrorism, to one who abolished slavery. 

Again, nobody had a problem with Lincoln. They didn't like the statue because of how the slave was depicted. They didn't want to erase history, they wanted to change one statue.

The example I used wasn't to say Lincoln was like Bin Laden. I'm saying that people don't want statues to celebrate bad things. 

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Who is saying they are being celebrated, and not just remembered?

Statues are built to celebrate things. That particular community didn't want to use a statue to depict a slave in that condition. I'm not even saying I agree with the decision. I just acknowledge that this isn't erasing history, it's just erasing one statue. Erasing history would be banning the teaching of slavery, which is what Republicans are trying to do.

Instead of being concerned about a statue being taken down, maybe be concerned about authoritarian laws that are banning the teaching of history in schools.

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Explain Lia Thomas to me. She was obliterating records. Explain that one to me. Just luck?

Lia Thomas is competing in college competitions, not in professional sports that have strict rules on which trans people can compete. I don't know how long she's been on hormones for, if she's even on hormones, or if she started before or after puberty. In the Olympics and other professional settings, these things are all taken into account.

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1 minute ago, Americana Antifa said:

the face of the Right is Donald Trump

In the US.

I hope you do realize that conservative views differ vastly from one country, to the next.

You just maybe should specify what media you are eluding to. 

Otherwise you need to demonstrate how globally that all conservatives are represented by Donald Trump.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Again, nobody had a problem with Lincoln.

Do you think before you post

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Statues are built to celebrate things.

Sure. Don't you think the abolition of slavery should be celebrated?

13 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

That particular community didn't want to use a statue to depict a slave in that condition.

So, to twist the reality. Censor history. Slavery wasn't pretty. This was depicted with this statue. I don't understand the problem.

15 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

maybe be concerned about authoritarian laws that are banning the teaching of history in schools.

How is defacing history different?

16 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I don't know how long she's been on hormones for

She met requisites. Over a year and a half. 

16 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

if she's even on hormones

She was. See above.

17 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

or after puberty

After, hence the uproar by girls who worked their entire lives, no longer able to compete. Only several had the guts to publicly voice their displeasure, as the fear of killing their careers made the remainder remain quiet.

This is your view of equality. Women being silenced.

The sad part to me, is you so blind to your alliances not realizing how you sound no different than a Donald Trump supporter. Same level of bias. I hear more left and right hate from you, than sticking to the point of debate. 

Someone lucid, will debate my points. You're just as separated from reality and common sense. You just happen not to wear a MAGA hat.

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4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'm familiar enough with right-wing dog whistles to know when someone is using nazi or fascist talking-points.

And not only do I not call moderate people nazis or fascists, but I even said that a few Republicans, like Mitt Romney, aren't fascist.

But I get it, you have to lie, since you can't defend your own fascism.

You’re the most extremist poster on here.  By seeing Nazis and fascists everywhere without being able to explain what’s Nazi of fascist about them, you reveal much more about your own misguided beliefs than anyone else’s.  Having said that, there are enough people with similar immature perspectives as yours to explain why guest speakers are shouted off campuses and it feels like the Cultural Revolution in most workplaces and government organizations today.  You have the judgemental self-assurance of the inquisitor who thinks she can assess a person singlehandedly without evidence and mete out punishment unaccountably.

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4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Give me some examples of mainstream leftists or liberals that want to erase Lincoln from history. Not simply remove one statue, but actually want to ban the teaching of Lincoln like the way Republicans want to ban the teaching of anything related to civil right movements.

Removing even one statue IS attempting to erase lincon. It's LITERALLY trying to erase him - as in  we'll just scrub him off the face of the earth here... 

Sorry - it's like saying "Just because hitler killed SOME jews doesn't mean he wanted to kill ALL jews".

And republicans are quite happy to have the civil rights move ment taught.  show me one single republican who says they want ALL civil rights movement history banned.

 

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is such a weak-ass argument. Literally everyone wants to change their own country and the world in some ways

There is a massive massive difference between  " I want to take what we have and make changes to improve it" and "I want to tear down everything we have and rebuild it from scratch into my vision of utopia"

Your response shows you KNOW you're wrong.

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

Conservatives will say "You hate America, you want to change it!" but then go ahead and make changes the moment they have the power to do so. If you thought Canada was perfect, you wouldn't want to replace any of the laws or policy.

Republicans would never say that.  Republicans, as you note ,make positive changes all the time.  Republicans WOULD asy that YOUR desire to tear down america entirely and rebuild a socialist state is a result of your hatred of America. And they'd have a point - wanting to destroy something is pretty much a  solid indication you're not a fan.

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

If anything, I would say authoritarians like you hate western countries because you want to fundamentally change their foundations.

You're talking to the mirror again i see :P  The authortarian fascist left are the ones who want to fundimentally change america,

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

America and Canada were built on western values, which you oppose.

No.. still you.

And this is a constant tactic we see from the left - Accuse others of what you're doing to cover your tracks. If you're a facscist call yourself an Anti-fascist for example.

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sure, I want to change America and Canada too, but I want to make them more democratic, which means I want to expand upon the values that built them.

You HATE democracy.  You wish you could end democracy and force others to do what you believe in. THat's why you cancel people.

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