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8 hours ago, Contrarian said:

You do not intimidate me with your language.

What if I wear a mask and go BOO!

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Critiquing moderate Democrats for not aligning with the more extreme positions of the far left is counterproductive to achieving meaningful progress and change.

Juicy, but that wasn't the accusation. Y'all said AOC calls anyone who disagree with her bad people. Not that she critiques Democrats who disagree with her. Critiquing people you disagree with is fine, I'm not against that.

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Every time you post, I will give you some "deflection" . The radical centre is an insurgent movement committed to rejecting all forms of extremism, including those on the far left,

But surprisingly not too concerned about the far-right. Which is especially suspicious since left-wing extremism is barely a thing, whereas right-wing extremism is so common that it has its own political party.

And that was the original point of this topic. Tim Pool claims to be a liberal who dislikes the Right and the Left, but he only criticizes leftists and liberals, while constantly running defense for fascists.

The attempted deflection was that AOC only criticizes Republicans, but then the goalposts were moved to her demonizing anyone who disagrees with her, which is obviously another lie.

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especially the ones that talk better but underneath is the same extremist code. The system will not allow you to act on what you want, so like MAGA, you only have a keyboard. You hide yourself better, though. Antifa is getting smart in marketing. 

If you think about it, fascism and anti-fascism are the same things. ?

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Divise Comments by AOC: 

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  • Somewhere in 2021, AOC accused Senator Joe Manchin of racism for opposing a voting rights bill supported by Democrats, stating that his opposition was rooted in "the explicit targeting of Black and Brown voters." Some saw this as a divisive and overly aggressive attack on a fellow Democrat.

So she was criticizing him for a specific issue which she believed was racially motivated. That not the same as demonizing anyone who disagrees with her. And of course, this also proves she doesn't only criticize Republicans.

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In an interview with New Yorker Radio, AOC said that "capitalism is irredeemable" and that "it is the ideology of capital, the ideology of profit, at any cost, that is the problem," 

TRUE! Though I would say social democracy is an alright version of capitalism.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Actually, the reason I added that is because I am accused of being too soft on the far-left. 

By who? Nazis?

10 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Are you accusing me that I am not concerned about far right thugs? Why don't you start reading my battles with MAGA fringes, the ones that are fans of January 6th activities? 

Well like I said, I don't think you're actually a secret fascist like Tim Pool. I think you're just the living incarnation of the "enlightened centrist" meme.

 

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This is when status quo forces ? enter and put the handcuffs on those who cross the line. I forgot though, you are part of the theoretical brigade, you let others go in front for your ideas, get criminal records for your idealism, all in the name of equality and "anti-fascism". I would add ILLEGITIMATE "anti-fascism". Scammers. ?

See, this is part of being an "enlightened centrist." I've told you before that I don't encourage anyone to break laws. Like most anti-fascists, I think we should use violence to defend ourselves, which is legal. And I think we should use sit-ins to block right-wing rallies, which is also legal. But because you want to believe that "both sides" are full of extremists, you have to pretend that the Left is as needlessly violent as the Right.

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

1. and in order for me to escape that meme, I need to join a herd? like a sheep? My idea of radical centrism is not about being "enlightened", it is about the end goal of moderation via exposing group mob think. Right and Left Wing thugs. ?Even the ones that have a good market and bail systems such as "AntiFa". 

Hunter Avallone is a good example of a real centrist. He's a liberal, so he argues against both socialism and fascism. And on certain individual issues, he sides with the Right or the Left.  However, he doesn't pretend that the Left is as violent as the Right. He doesn't pretend that the Democrats are left-wing or that they're just as crazy and authoritarian as the Republicans. I disagree with liberalism, but I can respect liberals that look at the individual issues and through good faith analysis end up in the Center.

But that's not what you're doing. Because you want to consider yourself centrist, you're moving to the Right along with the Republicans in order to appear centrist.

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2. The idea that violence is legal when used for self-defense is not accurate. In most cases, using violence to defend oneself is only legal when it is deemed necessary and proportionate, and even then, it can lead to legal consequences.

I encourage people to use proportionate violence so it stays within the law. As they say on the books, "equal or less force."

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Just because sit-ins to block right-wing speakers (right-wing or "nazis" ?!) in universities as an example, may be legal, it does not necessarily mean they are effective or productive. Such tactics can further escalate tensions and fuel division, rather than promoting compromise.

You can't compromise with people who don't believe in democracy and don't care about the collective good. We can compromise with liberals because they do care about the collective good and, even if we disagree with how to achieve that, we can always just take a vote. If we lose, we'll try again next time. But as the 2020 election showed, we can't do that with fascists. If they lose an election, they'll just say they won and try to overthrow the system. Even so-called moderate Republicans have used the Big Lie as an excuse to make voter restriction laws all across the country.

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8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

As long as you and the other side consider me "not from the pack" it definitely means I am centrist, maybe not an establishment centrist, but a radical one, like you, except that I have the data, not just emotional slogans. More pragmatism. Try it sometimes.

You don't care about data. I already proved that right-wing violence is way more common. And in the last 26 years, only one anti-fascist has been charged with murder. Whereas with fascists and nazis, they do a mass shooting like every other month. And that's not even getting into the right-wing establishment regularly calling for violence, whereas no other political media does this.

I don't know if I asked you this before. Do you believe in the cultural marxism conspiracy?

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20 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Just because right-wing violence may be more common doesn't mean left-wing violence should be excused or ignored. Both are unacceptable and should be addressed.

 

Nobody is saying left-wing violence should be ignored. I'm saying that by acting like all political violence is the same, you're helping to normalize right-wing violence. The reasons fascists defend Russia by saying "Ukraine and Russia are both corrupt" is because they know that helps normalize the fascism of Russia.

The reason right-wing violence has gotten so bad is because the right-wing establishment, both media and politicians, are regularly calling for violence as well as lying about LGBT groomers. But because liberal media so often does the "both sides' fallacy, most normies just shrug it off because "well, all politicians are bad."

20 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Don't generalize entire political movements based on the actions of a few individuals. It's unfair and unproductive to label all right-wing individuals as fascists and Nazis just because of the actions of a few.

 

First of all, that's literally what you're doing with Antifa. Secondly, when like 90% of the Right supports Trump, it's fair to call them fascists or at least people who are ok with fascism.

20 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Stay focused on the issue at hand. Do not play University of Southern California tactics with me. The question of whether or not one believes in the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is irrelevant to the discussion about political violence and the need for balanced and impartial approaches to addressing it. 

I disagree. Your thoughts on the cultural marxism theory will tell me a lot about how serious you are when you claim to be a centrist.

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I would be more worried about violence coming from Americana Antifa than any poster on here in recent memory.  This poster’s language is insulting, contains slurs towards people with developmental disabilities, and is just plain rude.  Not someone I’d want around family or loved-ones.  

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10 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I see, so in a way you are like the MAGA ideologue, Roy Cohn when he worked for the McCarthy trials.  You just replaced the word "communist" with "fascist". 

The difference is that McCarthyism used "communism" the way today's Republicans use "woke."

I'm asking if you believe in this one very specific theory.

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Is your question:

"Have you ever had thoughts to believe the 'cultural marxism' theory?". 

Say Yes = You are a fake centrist and AntiFa will label you as an undercover right-winger. 

Say No = You are a true centrist, AntiFa gives one a pass. 

The day will come when we should have centrist trials, oh wait, we already have those, they are called the courts.

 

 I didn't ask if you ever had thoughts to believe in the theory. I'm asking if you believe in it now.

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5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I am not here to play the game of conspiracy theories, but to have a conversation about the real world. I bring the data and reason, you bring AntiFa tactics. 

I wrote this for you: ?

  • Antifa questioning centrists is like a vegan trying to convince a lion to eat tofu. It's just not going to happen. ? ?  ? @Moonlight Graham what do you think?! Pretty good?! I think is great, it all that matters. 

I'm not trying to convince you of anything right now, I'm just asking a question. Do you believe in the cultural marxism conspiracy theory?

You can ask me about my beliefs, I'm not afraid to defend my takes.

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14 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You already know the answer, based on my messages, however, the fact that you want me to confirm it for you, so it can satisfy your herd need, is not going to happen. 

Alright, so I'm going to take this as a yes.

Do you think cultural marxism is part of a Jewish plot?

14 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

This radical centrist wolf does howl when the herd asks him to do it. Is not my fault you have trust issues. You are used with the checklists from the AntiFa memberships. 

You're not a centrist, you're either a fascist or a nazi, even if you're not using those labels.

And there are no Antifa memberships, though I'm sure you think the Jewish cabal sends me a check to promoting "degeneracy." 

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Just now, Contrarian said:

Listen, you are so stuck in basic programming is not even funny, it is true you speak better than the MAGA irrational patroling around, but rest assured you have the authoritarian DNA inside you, as this exchange proved how quick you are to label me. Grow up, the world is not 0 vs 1. 

You refused to answer a simple question which, if the answer was yes, you'd be a fascist or a nazi.

If you asked me if I think government should be abolished, and I refused to answer, I wouldn't blame you for thinking I'm an anarchist.

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Just now, Contrarian said:

This account of mine is a satire account, I enjoy testing people, and on my scale your authoritarian DNA is strong. 

Ah, yes. The "Schrodinger's Assh*le" defense. ? 

Just now, Contrarian said:

I suggest this reading:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-left-wing-authoritarianism/620185/

Also, is hilarious your initial reaction, a radical through and through, you probably use that card in real life too. You should stop with these tactics, physics says you always meet your match.

I'm not going to pay to read an article about an oxymoron. But for the sake of argument, let's say that tankies actually do count as left-wing.

There are no tankie politicians, no mainstream tankie media, and tankie political violence is so rare that it's fringe. But when it comes to fascists, they actually do have a political party, mainstream media, and a growing rate of violence.

If you were a real centrist, you'd say that fascists and tankies are both bad, but right now the big problem is fascism. And while you might not like the Democrats, we all better vote for them so that at least we retain our democracy.

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Just now, Contrarian said:

You should look up again at your reaction just because I would not provide you an answer. It turned out that answer is opposite. 

Well usually when people refuse to answer a simple question like that, it's because they don't want to admit that they believe in the unpopular belief. Plus, after you refused to answer the question, I wouldn't be surprised if you actually do believe that the colleges are full of marxists.

Just now, Contrarian said:

Is great forces like the FBI, judges, and rational people are in charge of society. You might as well go in the streets and don't make others do the dirty work for your ideas. Mask on, call the others that do not sing like you "nazis" and you are all set. What a piece of work.

You're stawmanning. I haven't called anyone a nazi unless they actually do believe in nazism.

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On 3/27/2023 at 12:58 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Nah, you just find me scary because I remind you that your beliefs are all wrong. I make it harder for you to lie to yourself.

What's that? Did i just hear another "boo" again? :)

Sorry kiddo. You'll have to do a lot better than that ;)  It's like a dung beetle trying to tell me they're here to remind me ot take personal hygine seriously

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9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What's that? Did i just hear another "boo" again? :)

Sorry kiddo. You'll have to do a lot better than that ;)  It's like a dung beetle trying to tell me they're here to remind me ot take personal hygine seriously

So how come you don't defend your takes?

You're like a fascist doing everything they can to not define "woke."

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34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is compelling:

 

As i've said - antifa and the left are violent racists bigots.

I wonder what our own 'antifa' has to say about the fact that the group she claims to be part of is directly advocating for armed violence. So much for the RIGHT being all about fear,

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Just now, Americana Antifa said:

So how come you don't defend your takes?

What takes? I literally responded to your joke of a post about how somehow i'm afraid of you. Which is something you obsess and dream of but we both know isn't true.

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

You're like a fascist doing everything they can to not define "woke."

You're actually a facists who supports a group calling for armed violence this weekend.  Why aren't you using this time to speak out against the hatred violence and death being caused by the left right now? Ahhh yes  - because you approve of it. Kill those dirty sub human christians, i'm sure that's what your mind is telling you.

 

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On 3/25/2023 at 7:25 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Like I said, the studies on letting people use the bathrooms they want hasn't caused a rise in violence or any other harm.

It has caused psychological distress/ That's a recognized form of harm these days, as you know.

No the answer is not to allow them to mix up. That is what's causing the issue, and there are solutions.

In women's sports they are prohibiting transgenders from participating. Tennis champion Martina Navratilova, who is gay, agrees and also thinks having their own category would be the best decision. Anyone can participate in that category, be they male, female or otherwise.

World Athletics’ decision on transgender female athletes came Thursday. The organization said it "decided to prioritize fairness and the integrity of the female competition before inclusion."

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4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It has caused psychological distress/ That's a recognized form of harm these days, as you know.

Source?

4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

In women's sports they are prohibiting transgenders from participating.

That makes sense depending on the situation. But if it's a trans woman who has been on hormones long enough that she no longer has an advantage, I don't see the issue. I agree with the policy that the Olympics has.

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15 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Source?

That makes sense depending on the situation. But if it's a trans woman who has been on hormones long enough that she no longer has an advantage, I don't see the issue. I agree with the policy that the Olympics has.

Their skeletal structure is larger and more dense, on average, being born and matured as a male.

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