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5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Other way around. They didn't like what they said, banned him from being at the school for the year, and then called 'tresspass' when he showed up for classes because he didn't accept their ban on his speech.  So - arrest was last.

I will read into this more. There is a heavy stench of BS in this story. 

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23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Any kind of sexual preference is fine as long as it involves consenting adults. So no, it's not transphobic if a woman only wants to date or have sex with cis women.

You are not exactly holding true to your name. You'd be canceled for this belief in many places.

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I think you have me confused with someone else here. I never said that females or cis women shouldn't be able to discriminate. I think that should be legal as long as it's not a public space. If a cis woman has a business and only wants to hire cis women, I think that's stupid, but it should be legal.

That's an odd position to take unless you're going to be brazenly hypocritical and say only women and not men should have that right.

But even with that the Trans activists and now government continue to insist males who identify as women should be treated like females in such things as inclusion in female spaces (changing rooms, showers, bathroom, gyms, shelters, sports, etc). 

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Oh, verpiss dich. If you really cared about kids, you wouldn't want little boys changing in front of cis men with erections. This is such a fake argument. 

 

It's not. There are a miniscule number of males who are pedophiles who would be sexually attracted to young boys. But all males (excluding gays) feel sexual attraction to females.

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I find it especially funny that you claim the Left wants to replace western values, but it's only the Right that is against things like democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality before the law, and so on.

Nonsense. The Left does not agree with freedom of speech if it offends them, nor with freedom of religion except for religions that are not considered 'white'. For Islam or other religions not native to Canada they're enthusiastically in favor of freedom. I don't know anyone who doesn't believe in equality before the law or democracy, except some American Republicans. And they're mostly Trumpists.

 

23 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

These are the values that Western Civilization was built on. Y'all pretend the Left is against western values, then vote for fascists.

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22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I don't understand what isn't being respected.  And how does that Stack up with telling a trans kid they aren't trans?

You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

If someone says they are of the opposite sex then let them go under the knife and change their body. Cut their dicks and balls off and we can talk.

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. Still waiting for the details on this.

https://barrhavenindependent.ca/2023/03/20/ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem#:~:text=For the second time this,board chair for the meeting.

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1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

I will read into this more. There is a heavy stench of BS in this story. 

Its heavy handed BS. 

I read half a dozen.

All point to him stating his opinion in front of trans kids. Ignoring multiple warnings, and planning to crash an LGBTQ pride parade.

It would be like me stating (insert demographic in my class) doesn't belong in this country. It doesn't matter what supporting arguments you bring to the table. You went about it in such a horrible way, nobody of any sound character would give you any time to speak.

The latter, is harassment. 

You didn't get listened to, had a tantrum and faced consequences for it.

Then went to Fox to play innocent.

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3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

Seriously. Its essentially trans rights and comfort at the expense of biological females.

This isn't to me what progress looks like. There should be unisex washrooms. You're trans, and the reality is if you're not passable, most people will be incredibly uncomfortable with you in their washroom.

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53 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

2. If someone says they are of the opposite sex then let them go under the knife and change their body. Cut their dicks and balls off and we can talk.

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1. Right.  They're accompanied by teachers too.  What's the disrespect?

2. I already understood that to be your opinion.

3. Well, I agree with cutting off the parent based on them lying about what they were speaking about, and characterizing bathroom policy as "aimed at protecting his children from potential predators".  Thanks for posting the details.

The board has made its policy and they're not going to talk about this.  I can't say I agree 100% with that, but opponents to the policy will have to find another way to get their case heard.  I don't agree with the approach this parent took.

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58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Right.  They're accompanied by teachers too.  What's the disrespect?

2. I already understood that to be your opinion.

3. Well, I agree with cutting off the parent based on them lying about what they were speaking about, and characterizing bathroom policy as "aimed at protecting his children from potential predators".  Thanks for posting the details.

The board has made its policy and they're not going to talk about this.  I can't say I agree 100% with that, but opponents to the policy will have to find another way to get their case heard.  I don't agree with the approach this parent took.

So basically you don’t think the anxiety, modesty, and safety of females who don’t want biological males in their washrooms warrant to have these concerns respected?

Yet a trans person can use a one toilet washroom for all genders without violating these females’ rights. Where is your perspective?

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24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

@I am Groot also, I see we're not in the same board as the Baptist student, so the point about the Board resisting Ontario policy isn't valid.

These people are disrupting meetings with no hope of effecting change anyway as it's not in the Board's power.

Not true.  The Catholic board can assert religious Charter rights but chose not to. 

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11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The “liberal” that you seem to reference is in short supply.  It’s not typical anymore.  It’s not in mainstream media anymore, which has shifted left.  The Liberal Party of Canada is no longer liberal.  They shifted left to win NDP votes and never looked back. Left isn’t really the accurate word to describe what’s happening actually.  It’s more like official media.  Basically as it was in the Soviet Union, there isn’t much news in the news anymore.  It’s pro-government rhetoric and groupthink, as long as the government is Democrat or Liberal.  Fox cashed in on the dearth of any alternative mainstream voice. I used to see Fox as the outlier, but actually if you watch someone like Tucker Carlson, a self-proclaimed conservative, he throws Republicans under the bus almost as much as Democrats because they’re all enabling the same unquestioning narratives.

I used to go to lefties like Noam Chomsky for something approaching the truth.  Now I have to go to Epoch Times or the National Post because much of what I see in the mainstream media doesn’t sit right with my conscience or ring true anymore.

That world of Liberal vs. Conservative and Democrat vs. Republican is increasingly meaningless.

Russell Brand caused a fuss on Bill Maher when he went after the MSNBC reporter, because we’re all expected to believe CNN and MSNBC.  They’re simply too biased these days.  Yes, Fox is too biased too.  The middle ground is lost, but it’s happening because radical left ideology is alienating people, telling them they’re racist, causing the planet to overheat and making them swallow pseudoscience about gender and other ideas that are quite irrelevant to the major issues in the world today, such as war, poverty, economic opportunity, free speech, and cancel culture.

Such reasonable and tolerant old-school Canadian views. You are a true liberal, not like these imposters who've taken to the podium spouting their hate and division.

You make me want to say, "Yes Virginia, there are Canadians here."

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You don't understand how the rights of females aren't being respected when the new requirement is to allow any male who self-identifies yesterday as a 'woman' into their private spaces?

If someone says they are of the opposite sex then let them go under the knife and change their body. Cut their dicks and balls off and we can talk.

https://barrhavenindependent.ca/2023/03/20/ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ocdsb-shuts-down-dad-calls-cops-due-to-mayhem#:~:text=For the second time this,board chair for the meeting.

Interesting that since the rape by a trans woman of another woman in an institutional setting, the Scottish woke obsession abated somewhat.  Something similar happened to the trans surgery trend in England after a trans surgery clinic became buried in lawsuits from former clients with buyer’s remorse.

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47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. So basically you don’t think the anxiety, modesty, and safety of females who don’t want biological males in their washrooms warrant to have these concerns respected?

2. Yet a trans person can use a one toilet washroom for all genders without violating these females’ rights. Where is your perspective?

1. If I express anxiety over something, do I have to be accommodated?  The school is sending teachers into the washroom... Modesty?  How is that part of this.  It's a stretch IMO.

2. Is there an all gender washroom?  You want them to build one?

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40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. If I express anxiety over something, do I have to be accommodated?  The school is sending teachers into the washroom... Modesty?  How is that part of this.  It's a stretch IMO.

2. Is there an all gender washroom?  You want them to build one?

Every school I’ve visited has at least one such washroom, usually originally intended for adult use.  Without such a washroom, allowing biological males to enter female washrooms is a violation of the security of the person.  Are trans men now standing and urinating in urinals beside other males?   Let me guess, that’s fine with you no matter what anyone else wants?

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36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

In saying that this is not a Catholic board.  It's public.

Well you’re saying wrong if you’re talking about the Ontario Catholic school board.  Catholic education is constitutionally protected for all time in Ontario.  The government can’t make people not be Catholic in a Catholic school.  This board, however, allowed Caesar carte blanche.  That was a mistake.  

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7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well you’re saying wrong if you’re talking about the Ontario Catholic school board.  Catholic education is constitutionally protected for all time in Ontario.  The government can’t make people not be Catholic in a Catholic school.  This board, however, allowed Caesar carte blanche.  That was a mistake.  

I can't follow this.

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31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I can't follow this.

Ontarians have a constitutionally protected right to a Catholic education.  The Catholic Catechism teaches that your gender is your biological gender, so allowing biological males into female washrooms is against Catholic teachings because the Church doesn’t recognize a biological male as a female.

The answer continues to be having a separate all-gender washroom just like the 2-piece washroom in your home.

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38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok I thought that's what you were saying.  We covered this above.

There are two different school boards being discussed on the thread - one Catholic, one public.

Okay so with regard to Ottawa-Carleton, nothing this parent said in his presentation was hateful.  He was sharing the legitimate safety concerns of thousands of parents in his school district. What about the rights of biological females to feel safe?   This parent actually referenced that an all-gender one person washroom is available to students, so why alienate a substantial portion of the population to push through an unnecessary policy that is felt to be a safety threat by many students? So much for female rights and the rights of children.  

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14 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

No, but they have immense media presence. They can pressure big corporations. Social media. Sporting teams, etc.

You would need to be Jeff Bezos big to influence politicians across the aisle. Money talks.

But to say that having power within media circles is nothing, is ridiculous. 

Controlling media. 

And yet they can't get psychopaths like Michaels Knowles and Matt Walsh deplatformed?

This is how you know you've been brainwashed. Social media and Fox News are full of people calling for genocide against trans people, but you still think social media has a left-wing bias and that the LGBT population has more power than the billionaires that fund right-wing media.

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14 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I just like Bill Maher have been a liberal my entire life. This doesn't make me superior.

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. ?

14 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I can disagree with someone without insulting them.

I can too. But when it comes to people who are anti-reality, all you can really do is make fun of how stupid and cowardly they are.

If someone says that it's illegal to misgender someone in Canada, but they have no examples of this actually happening, and their only evidence is the tweets of a deranged lunatic like Jordan Peterson, what else can I do but point out that right-wing media has turned their brain to soup?

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22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Wow - talk about spreading hate talk - so conservatives are inferior people as well :)  Practically sub human to listen to you - all full of fear.

Yes.

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What were you saying about sounding like a nazi? As you sit here spouting lies to dehumanize people?

First of all, I'm not parroting nazi conspiracy theories.

Secondly, I didn't lie. Everything I said about conservatives is true.

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22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ahhhh so he's an accidental nazi.

Kinda. If a nazi ran for office and didn't explicitly use nazi language, Peterson would probably vote for Nazism. 

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In the same way that thinking russia sucks isn't nazi propaganda. I mean, most people today think that. The nazis' may have held a similar belief (and did).  But it's not nazi propaganda to speak out against russia today just because the nazi's did.

Here's the difference. The nazis thought the Russians were racially inferior. Most people today are against Russia because of their fascist government. We don't think the Russians are racially inferior, we're not against the Russians as human beings.

Now, if someone was against Russia because of a conspiracy theory that was based on a nazi theory, I would say that person is either a nazi or, at the very best, stupidly promoting Nazism without realizing it.

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

THe right likes the jews. It's the left that hates the jews these days.

Are you seriously going to use the bullshit about how the Left opposes Israel, so that means they hate Jews? Please tell me you have a different argument here.

Though I will agree that most of the Right isn't anti-jewish. However, that's why Cultural Marxism uses dog whistles about the Jews. After WWII, being openly anti-jewish became unpopular. So in Cultural Marxism, the nazi conspiracy theory is still there, only it doesn't say the Jews are behind the conspiracy. Instead, it's "Marxists from the Frankfurt School" and people can fill-in the blanks if they want. And even if they don't end up thinking it's the Jews, they're still believing extremely dangerous things about women and LGBT people. Nazism without the racism is still pretty bad.

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And who was this person who 'recycled' this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

"According to Minnicino, there were two aspects of the Frankfurt School plan to destroy Western culture. Firstly, a cultural critique, by Theodor Adorno and Walter Benjamin, to use art and culture to promote alienation and replace Christianity with socialism. This included the development of opinion polling and advertising techniques to brainwash the populace and control political campaigning. Secondly, the plan supposedly included attacks on the traditional family structure by Herbert Marcuse and Erich Fromm to promote women's rights, sexual liberation, and polymorphous perversity to subvert patriarchal authority.[5] Minnicino claimed the Frankfurt School was responsible for elements of the counterculture of the 1960s and a "psychedelic revolution", distributing hallucinogenic drugs to encourage sexual perversion and promiscuity.[5]"

This is legit Neo-Nazism. It's Nazism for the 21st century.

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And it's not the same theory. And Peterson explains in excruciating detail how he's come to his conclusions today. If there's one thing about the man, he always shows his work.

So. What that means is you've been brainwashed into thinking that something that sort of sounds a little like what the nazi's sounded like sort of must therefore be nazi propaganda.

 

He's lying. This would be like writing a novel that is 95% similar to an earlier novel and then claiming it was a coincidence.

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The nazi's really pushed taking care of your parents in their old age as well. So... seniors facilites are nazi propaganda i supposed?

Again, we're not talking about a simple concept here. We're talking about an elaborate conspiracy theory that was created by nazis for no other reason than to justify taking authoritarian measures against groups of people they didn't like. I'm not saying X is bad because the nazis did it. I'm saying X was created by the nazis to justify genocide and authoritarianism. 

It's actually crazy how history is repeating itself now consider who the first victims were. Nazis came for LGBT people first. And look who the right-wing media is calling for genocide against now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft

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