Canadian Catholic student arrested for saying men are different from women.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

I know, but you're actually using this insane way of thinking in your arguments.

No i'm not. I've literally never said that once except as an obvious joke.  Those are just the voices in your head talking to you.

I said they weren't capitalists because their system incorporates too much state control and ownership. Jezuz - do  you EVER say anything truthful?

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

But that's not Socialism.

Sure it is. The workers control the means of production through the state. Badda bing badda boom.

You didn't think that ALL the workers would actually DIRECTLY control ALL the means of production did you? Call a vote to determine if john over here can take the day off sick?  Obviously not.

So socialsm means someone managing the workers control. Now we're just talking about who.  It certainly doesn't have to be democratic at all, in fact that would just get in the way.

Like i said - in the end it's one of the big problems with socialism.

Socialists have to pretend socialism is democratic because otherwise they'll have to admit the truth that it's essentially dictatorship by the elites which doesn't sound as good.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You do realize this logic could be used against liberal democracy too, right?

No you're getting confused again, You're conflating the method of choosing representation with the type of economic model. Neither capitalism nor socalism actually requires democracy (in fact socialism doesn't work well with democracy) - but if you take democracy out of a democratic model then no, you don't have non democratic democracy.  So no - it doesn't work with liberal democracy - if you take the democracy out then you've just got liberal dictatorship or oligarchy or whatever you replaced the democracy with.

 

 

[Americana Antifa]

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

The fact that this is in question now?

It's only in question because Republicans need a distraction from economic policy. That's why they keep talking about trans people, "wokeness," and Hunter Biden.

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

No. Eluding to lobbying power. Social influence, even affecting speech. People being petrified. These are all new concepts.

You really need to touch grass.

If LGBT people had that much lobbying power, do you think Republicans would be making laws against them all across America, while the Democrats just sit on the fence? Right-wing media wants you to think trans people, the most marginalized group in America, are actually controlling society. The truth is that anti-trans laws and hate crimes against trans people have both been on the rise ever since righty media decided to make them the new enemy.

It's seriously amazing how Michael Knowles can call for the eradication of "transgenderism" at CPAC without being made persona non grata. Instead, we're told that it's actually trans people who have everyone "petrified." This is your NPC brain on righty media.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Are you illiterate?

No i can read your lies just fine.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

I told you I don't think Peterson realizes he's spreading a nazi theory. He really is stupid enough to just repeat the things he sees in memes without doing any research.

Ahhhh so he's an accidental nazi.

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

How is it not nazi propaganda?

In the same way that thinking russia sucks isn't nazi propaganda. I mean, most people today think that. The nazis' may have held a similar belief (and did).  But it's not nazi propaganda to speak out against russia today just because the nazi's did.

 

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is a conspiracy theory recycled from literal nazi propaganda. The only difference is that the part about the Jews is implied, whereas the original theory outright says it's the Jews.

THe right likes the jews. It's the left that hates the jews these days. And who was this person who 'recycled' this?

And it's not the same theory. And Peterson explains in excruciating detail how he's come to his conclusions today. If there's one thing about the man, he always shows his work.

So. What that means is you've been brainwashed into thinking that something that sort of sounds a little like what the nazi's sounded like sort of must therefore be nazi propaganda.

The nazi's really pushed taking care of your parents in their old age as well. So... seniors facilites are nazi propaganda i supposed?

[Americana Antifa]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

According to you ANY site that carries the story is a fake news site.  So basically we're back to you being a dishonest person.

That's a no. ?

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Your lefty media is even worse. 

There's not a single news station that I completely agree with. However, only right-wing media regularly just makes up stuff. For like a month Fox was lying about Biden banning hamburgers. Then they moved on to lying about Biden banning gas stoves. I don't like liberal media either, but stations like CNN and MSNBC don't do that. They may get things wrong, but they don't make up lies.

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left wing journalist brian williams lied about his chopper being shot down but there WAS actually a war going on

Brad Williams is a liberal, dipshit. And look what happened. MSNBC made him resign because, as bad as liberal media is, they have SOME standards. They don't allow people on who make up stories like conservatives do.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Good question. Maybe it's the submissive and cowardly nature one needs to become a conservative in the first place. That would explain why they're all such muschis. There actually have been studies on the brains of right-leaning people and left-leaning people. Right-leaning people are more fearful, which makes sense.

Well the difference there is that religious identity is much wider in scope. Most Muslims are just born into Islam and ignore most of the Koran.

Wow - talk about spreading hate talk - so conservatives are inferior people as well   Practically sub human to listen to you - all full of fear. Scared of every stranger they meet if i recall your other thread.  Maybe something should be done about them?

What were you saying about sounding like a nazi? As you sit here spouting lies to dehumanize people?

Edited March 21, 2023 by CdnFox
Sp - hate, not hat

[CdnFox]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

That's a no. ?

That's a absolute yes. 

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

There's not a single news station that I completely agree with.

Sure - you only agree with them if they carry a story that supports your echo chamber and gives you that nice confirmation bias glow.

Otherwise they're just fake news you see.

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

 

However, only right-wing media regularly just makes up stuff. For like a month Fox was lying about Biden banning hamburgers. Then they moved on to lying about Biden banning gas stoves. I don't like liberal media either, but stations like CNN and MSNBC don't do that.

they absolutely do that. Remember the story about the christian boys who "assaulted' the first nations leader? Complete fabrication.

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

They may get things wrong, but they don't make up lies.

Brad Williams is a liberal, dipshit.

Yes.  A left wing dipshit.

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

And look what happened. MSNBC made him resign because, as bad as liberal media is, they have SOME standards.

Nope - they were fearful of the backlash that advertisers were dropping as a result not wanting to be associated with their lies.  And actually he resigned, they didn't even have the balls to fire him.

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

They don't allow people on who make up stories like conservatives do.

Sure they do - i gave examples.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 I don't like liberal media either, but stations like CNN and MSNBC don't do that.  

You will be terrifying to a lot of posters here because you know the difference between left and liberal.

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You will be terrifying to a lot of posters here because you know the difference between left and liberal.

The “liberal” that you seem to reference is in short supply.  It’s not typical anymore.  It’s not in mainstream media anymore, which has shifted left.  The Liberal Party of Canada is no longer liberal.  They shifted left to win NDP votes and never looked back. Left isn’t really the accurate word to describe what’s happening actually.  It’s more like official media.  Basically as it was in the Soviet Union, there isn’t much news in the news anymore.  It’s pro-government rhetoric and groupthink, as long as the government is Democrat or Liberal.  Fox cashed in on the dearth of any alternative mainstream voice. I used to see Fox as the outlier, but actually if you watch someone like Tucker Carlson, a self-proclaimed conservative, he throws Republicans under the bus almost as much as Democrats because they’re all enabling the same unquestioning narratives.

I used to go to lefties like Noam Chomsky for something approaching the truth.  Now I have to go to Epoch Times or the National Post because much of what I see in the mainstream media doesn’t sit right with my conscience or ring true anymore.

That world of Liberal vs. Conservative and Democrat vs. Republican is increasingly meaningless.

Russell Brand caused a fuss on Bill Maher when he went after the MSNBC reporter, because we’re all expected to believe CNN and MSNBC.  They’re simply too biased these days.  Yes, Fox is too biased too.  The middle ground is lost, but it’s happening because radical left ideology is alienating people, telling them they’re racist, causing the planet to overheat and making them swallow pseudoscience about gender and other ideas that are quite irrelevant to the major issues in the world today, such as war, poverty, economic opportunity, free speech, and cancel culture.

Edited March 21, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. mainstream media anymore, which has shifted left.  
2. The Liberal Party of Canada is no longer liberal.  They shifted left to win NDP votes and never looked back.
3. It’s more like official media.  
4. Basically as it was in the Soviet Union, there isn’t much news in the news anymore.  It’s pro-government rhetoric and groupthink, as long as the government is Democrat or Liberal.  Fox cashed in on the dearth of any alternative mainstream voice.
5. I used to see Fox as the outlier, but actually if you watch someone like Tucker Carlson, a self-proclaimed conservative, he throws Republicans under the bus almost as much as Democrats because they’re all enabling the same unquestioning narratives.
6. I used to go to lefties like Noam Chomsky for something approaching the truth.  Now I have to go to Epoch Times or the National Post because much of what I see in the mainstream media doesn’t sit right with my conscience or ring true anymore.
7. That world of Liberal vs. Conservative and Democrat vs. Republican is increasingly meaningless.
8.  ... radical left ideology is alienating people
9.  ... causing the planet to overheat, and making them swallow pseudoscience about gender and other ideas that are quite irrelevant to the major issues in the world today, such as war, poverty, economic opportunity, free speech, and cancel culture.

1. It has not.  Mainstream media is more corporate, more consolidated, and more supportive of the neoliberal order than in the past.  There is more groupthink, and fewer resources for investigation.  Instead we have outrage stories and angertainment to generate clicks and get eyeballs.
2. There's some support for this statement of late, mostly because Trudeau can only hope for a minority government.
3. Yes, I agree somewhat.
4.  But as I said, it's angertainment.  There's little in-depth examination of economic, trade, or geopolitical situations.
5. You are talking about an entertainer here, not a journalist.  He "hates" Donald Trump, remember.
6. Chomsky is an actual leftist.  He doesn't really opt in to identity politics, and believes in the politics of distraction - which is what you're describing.  The NP is funded by the Liberals and American investors, and Epoch Times is funded by a Chinese cult religion.
7. Except that the populists seem to be nibbling the idea that corporations aren't working for them now.  Imagine that.
8. Identity politics is not "left", sorry.  Just because they got young people and campus politics to embrace it it doesn't make it "left".
9. Half of what you say makes sense, but you have FOX news pablum buzz words mixed in.  Focus on the real problems today which are, in order: 1. Social 2. Economic 3. Environmental

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It has not.  Mainstream media is more corporate, more consolidated, and more supportive of the neoliberal order than in the past.  There is more groupthink, and fewer resources for investigation.  Instead we have outrage stories and angertainment to generate clicks and get eyeballs.
2. There's some support for this statement of late, mostly because Trudeau can only hope for a minority government.
3. Yes, I agree somewhat.
4.  But as I said, it's angertainment.  There's little in-depth examination of economic, trade, or geopolitical situations.
5. You are talking about an entertainer here, not a journalist.  He "hates" Donald Trump, remember.
6. Chomsky is an actual leftist.  He doesn't really opt in to identity politics, and believes in the politics of distraction - which is what you're describing.  The NP is funded by the Liberals and American investors, and Epoch Times is funded by a Chinese cult religion.
7. Except that the populists seem to be nibbling the idea that corporations aren't working for them now.  Imagine that.
8. Identity politics is not "left", sorry.  Just because they got young people and campus politics to embrace it it doesn't make it "left".
9. Half of what you say makes sense, but you have FOX news pablum buzz words mixed in.  Focus on the real problems today which are, in order: 1. Social 2. Economic 3. Environmental

On your last two points we totally disagree. ESG is the distraction.  Climate catastrophe, racism, identity politics on gender, and scary Putin are lazy abstractions that distract us from the important work of creating more opportunities economically and educationally for all. Those in power are the best at wielding the language of distraction.  It’s the persuasive sophistry that covers up power and privilege. Populism is an expression of the public’s frustration with this manipulation.  What’s concerning to me is that the language of the radical left is used by the liberal elite to consolidate their power and authority.  Fear is used constantly to assert control and undermine constitutional rights: fear of Covid, fear of climate change, fear of cancellation and de-platforming. The public are expected to accept disempowerment and the rhetoric of social justice (ESG) is used to justify it. The marriage of government and business in stakeholder capitalism is that consolidation of power. It’s fascism with a “liberal” face.  

Edited March 21, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Perspektiv]

7 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Maybe it's the submissive and cowardly nature one needs to become a conservative in the first place.

I just like Bill Maher have been a liberal my entire life. This doesn't make me superior.

Current leadership, no longer met my needs, and conservative ones did. I am loyal to nobody. I look into policy, and whether the leader aligns with my needs.

My sibling voted NDP, and I don't understand how either of us are inferior due to it. This trying to sell division between political groups to me. 

I can disagree with someone without insulting them. This used to be the political decorum that we would get.

I don't see someone's political beliefs as making them inferior.

Someone thinking this, vs the quality of the person themselves speaks more about them than the political opposition that they bring to the table.

[Perspektiv]

7 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

If LGBT people had that much lobbying power, do you think Republicans would be making laws against them all across America

No, but they have immense media presence. They can pressure big corporations. Social media. Sporting teams, etc.

You would need to be Jeff Bezos big to influence politicians across the aisle. Money talks.

But to say that having power within media circles is nothing, is ridiculous. 

7 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

the most marginalized group in America, are actually controlling society

Controlling media. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. ESG is the distraction.  
2. Climate catastrophe, racism, identity politics on gender, and scary Putin
3. Those in power are the best at wielding the language of distraction.  
4.  What’s concerning to me is that the language of the radical left is used by the liberal elite to consolidate their power and authority.  
5. Fear is used constantly to assert control and undermine constitutional rights: fear of Covid, fear of climate change, fear of cancellation and de-platforming.
 

1. Now you're lumping them into an even larger category: Environmental, Social and Governance - could mean anything.
2. Lumping them together is ridiculous.  
3. With the willing masses who are ready to get angry when triggered.
4. Unless you're talking about nationalizing and punitive restraints against wealthy you're mouth breathing and NOT talking about the left.
5. Fear of vaccines, fear of environmentalists, fear of Antifa, fear of trans people, fear of cancel culture, fear of Muslims brought to you by FOX, NewsMax, TrueNorth, The Rebel and the Russian and Chinese distraction mills that the cult followers quote on here.  You point at liberal media, but they're guilty of groupthink more than lying.

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Same line of thinking would like Muslims to terrorism, even though terrorists make a microscopic crump of the religious belief.

Actually in surveys taken, significant parts or number of people in Muslim countries do support terrorism in some forms or time.   It is nowhere near a microscopic part of religious belief.

"Opposition to Hamas was the majority opinion in only 4 out of the 16 countries surveyed, as was opposition to Hezbollah."

"A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[8] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers."

Muslim attitudes toward terrorism - Wikipedia

It is a common myth that the support for terrorism among Muslims is microscopic.  It may be different in Canada.  I haven't seen any surveys, but in the countries in this article, support for terrorism is significant in some places.

[Perspektiv]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It may be different in Canada. 

I am eluding to Muslims across the planet. From Canada, to Hong Kong, to New Zealand to Brazil, and anywhere in between.

The vast majority of Muslims, are in support of peace. 

[Perspektiv]

If your counter argument starts with righty or leftist, then I already know it won't have any logic within it. 

That would be like me dismissing my wife's opinion because (insert negative stereotype about women).

This is where we are at socially. 

People can't bring valid counter arguments, so resort to dismissing you due to your political alignments.

I don't know. I loved debate class, because you would learn and the whole point was to present your argument and support it. Not to out argue your opponent and failure of which made them big smelly do do heads.

Unbelievable that this even seeps into mainstream media.

If you use catchphrase words to describe a group of people you don't like. Yes. Am talking about you.

[blackbird]

32 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I am eluding to Muslims across the planet. From Canada, to Hong Kong, to New Zealand to Brazil, and anywhere in between.

The vast majority of Muslims, are in support of peace. 

That's not what this information on Wikipedia says.  Have a look at it. 

" Islam is the fastest-growing major religion in the world, mostly because Muslims have more children than other major religious groups.[4][5] Most Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (87–90%, roughly 1.7 billion people)[6] or Shia (10–13%, roughly 180–230 million people).[7] Islam is the majority religion in several subregions: Central Asia, West Asia, North Africa, West Africa," - Wikipedia

So there are close to two billion Muslims in the world and it is the fastest growing religion.

In many of those countries, a significant percentage were found to support Hama and Hezbollah, both terrorist organizations in the middle east.   Also from the figures I gave you, even if a small percentage are generally supportive of terrorism, that amounts to millions of supporters of terrorism.  So a vast majority of 2 billion still leaves millions that appear to support terrorism in some countries.  Not a pleasant concept.

"A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[8] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them,"

6% of Muslims in Britain or 100,000 individuals supported the 2005 bombings in the London underground.  Why are these people even allowed to remain in Britain?   If you extrapolate and use the 6% figure (it could be much higher in Islamic countries), that would equal at least 6% of 2 billion people.  That is a large number of terrorist supporters.  Nothing to trivialize.

If you use 6% as the figure and in Islamic countries it could be several times that, the number of Muslims that support terrorism could be between 6% and 18% of 2 billion, which means tens of millions of people may support terrorism in various countries.  Is that the kind of religion that people should be following?  The number of followers is increasing.  Certainly not the kind of thing that Jesus or the Bible advocates.

Muslim attitudes toward terrorism - Wikipedia

One would be taking his life in his hands by visiting many of these countries and one certainly would be at great risk to be a non-Muslim living in those countries.

Edited March 21, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

44 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

The vast majority of Muslims, are in support of peace

That is a misleading sentence.  If there are two billion Muslims in the world and tens of millions of them are supportive of terrorism to varying degrees, that is no small number and is something to be concerned about.  You seem to be whitewashing the problem.

Edited March 21, 2023 by blackbird

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Now you're lumping them into an even larger category: Environmental, Social and Governance - could mean anything.
2. Lumping them together is ridiculous.  
3. With the willing masses who are ready to get angry when triggered.
4. Unless you're talking about nationalizing and punitive restraints against wealthy you're mouth breathing and NOT talking about the left.
5. Fear of vaccines, fear of environmentalists, fear of Antifa, fear of trans people, fear of cancel culture, fear of Muslims brought to you by FOX, NewsMax, TrueNorth, The Rebel and the Russian and Chinese distraction mills that the cult followers quote on here.  You point at liberal media, but they're guilty of groupthink more than lying.

You’re way off. Clearly radical left policies are bad, unless you’re a Marxist believer.  Maybe you are.

Lumping them together is appropriate since there is exaggeration and pseudoscience making these causes distractions from real concerns about economic opportunity for all and real threats to peace and stability.

The fear machines I described are of concern, and you make the common mistake of writing off conservative media while placing outsized faith in liberal media: Sun, New York Post, and Fox bad; CNN, CBC good.  The MSN is mostly pablum and officialdom with a meowing left-wing bias, but you’re uncritical about the echo chamber you inhabit.  Epoch Times is anti-Com Party of China and is one of a few reliable sources.  Rebel is Canadian Fox basically.  Sometimes correct and no less correct than CNN in terms of bias, but MSM is left-dominated.  I think they used to be more centrist, but the Liberals also used to be more centrist. CNN used to provide conservative perspectives as well as liberal ones, such as in Crossfire. The balance is gone and so conservatives feel under siege.  

Edited March 21, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Perspektiv]

49 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If there are two billion Muslims in the world and tens of millions of them are supportive of terrorism to varying degrees, that is no small number and is something to be concerned about. 

If 10 percent of the black community find themselves in jail, does this mean that police treating all black like criminals is justified?

Yes, it's indicative of problems within the black community, but would ignore the majority that aren't committing crimes. By default it would be safe to say as a general rule, that black people are peaceful. The majority are, even.

The above is just an example.

Point being made, you can't base your conclusion on the minority, if talking to the group.

Just like with gender. You can't overhaul gender ideology to cater to 1% of the population and talk on it like its fact.

Your words will be inaccurate for most.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

If 10 percent of the black community find themselves in jail, does this mean that police treating all black like criminals is justified?

Yes, it's indicative of problems within the black community, but would ignore the majority that aren't committing crimes. By default it would be safe to say as a general rule, that black people are peaceful. The majority are, even.

The above is just an example.

Point being made, you can't base your conclusion on the minority, if talking to the group.

Just like with gender. You can't overhaul gender ideology to cater to 1% of the population and talk on it like its fact.

Your words will be inaccurate for most.

I'm not sure what your point is.  You seem to be trying to whitewash support for terrorism in the Muslim world.  You can't because it is a fact.

Makes me wonder if you and Michael are Muslims or supporters of Islam.  If so, just say so and we can move on.  Maybe discuss that aspect.

From the figures on Wikipedia, there must be a lot of Muslims who disagree with terrorism.

Edited March 21, 2023 by blackbird

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I'm not sure what your point is.  You seem to be trying to whitewash support for terrorism in the Muslim world.

No. Am pointing to the vast majority of Muslims who do not.

Again, somehow for a few bad apples, its somehow justified to put my feet to the fire, and demand answers (or any demographic with a small percentage of horrible people within it.

Extremists are everywhere. From the Proud Boys, to Antifa. Does this mean that all Democrats or Conservatives are horrible and out of touch? To associate the entire group with the extremists, is just creating hate and divisiveness on an incredibly inaccurate scale.

Terrorism is wrong. The vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with it, nor should have to answer for behavior they are not responsible for.

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Extremists are everywhere. From the Proud Boys, to Antifa. Does this mean that all Democrats or Conservatives are horrible and out of touch?

That comparison is called false equivalency. 

There is no comparison.  Islamic extremists are killing people and groups of people every day somewhere in the world.  The groups you mentioned don't.  Seems like you don't accept the politically incorrect truth.

"Boko Haram kills, ‘beheads with chainsaws’ 40 people to derail Nigeria elections.

Militants from extremist group Boko Haram attacked several Nigerian towns, torching houses and fatally shooting those who fled before reportedly beheading some of the bodies with chainsaws. The string of terror attacks comes amid the presidential vote."

Boko Haram kills, ‘beheads with chainsaws’ 40 people to derail Nigeria elections — RT World News

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth (thereligionofpeace.com)

 

[impartialobserver]

If the truth is that the student was initially arrested for trespassing ( no matter how legit the arrest was) then claiming that he was arrested for something that occurred after that is a bit disingenuous. It reminds me of when our dept ruled against someone's appeal because they kept giving wrong information. Afterwards, he claimed it was due to his being white and living in Hawthorne, NV. He kept this up even when we pointed out in black and white that he misspelled the name of the employer 3 times and gave wrong times of employment on 3 occassions. 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If the truth is that the student was initially arrested for trespassing ( no matter how legit the arrest was) then claiming that he was arrested for something that occurred after that is a bit disingenuous.

Other way around. They didn't like what they said, banned him from being at the school for the year, and then called 'tresspass' when he showed up for classes because he didn't accept their ban on his speech.  So - arrest was last.