Canadian Catholic student arrested for saying men are different from women.

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, is not a doctor from Redacted or whatever hole you get your information from. 

You go to every corner of this forum and get shown logic, and when everything fails, you resort to such nonsense messages.

Grow up and add something to the conversation. I offered a solution, to not listen to Fauci or to nobodies like you that never went to any medical school. Unqualified, uneducated men over the internet that don't even know basic mathematics, and never went to medical school, but they know it all about Covid-19.

So, my solution is: to talk to the family doctor that knows your specific situation.

What is so controversial about that?! 

God, what Bill Gates has produced to give access to people like you.  ?

What Bill Gates produced was mostly sub-standard shit...but ya...

I'll add this'. I too had a nice conversation with my doc...who I've been seeing for about 30 years now...his answers told me all I needed to know. The government health officials dictated the responses doctors were safely able to provide. Namely...Vax Vax Vax. Did my good doctor believe what he was prescribing?

He never said.

Edited March 14, 2023 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

How the hell did you two manage to turn this into a thread about vaccines?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

• Get it through your head upstairs, I have a doctor in my community who gave me all the information and made my decision. I did not listen to Fauci or a nobody/nobodies with no medical degrees on Twitter/Internet Boards.
• Years of trust with my doctor > Fauci + Nobodies on the Internet 

You suffer myopia: you have a narrow POV that doesn't extend past your own nose and you don't care about other people.

You feel like:

1) the vax is best for you (without looking into it yourself, you merely consulted a Dr who can get pharma perks without informing you),

2) you don't mind taking it,

3) You might personally benefit if others take it,

so....

4) that checks all your boxes for making it ok to force other people to take it - even if they don't need it at all

5) You still have no idea who "needed" it and who didn't

6) If you didn't listen to Fauci and the CDC, then whom? Did your Dr do his own clinical trial? Why did he ignore the initial data coming in from Israel, and everything since?

7) How safe do you feel the vax is for young, healthy people and kids? Do you think they needed it? If so, what real world evidence are you willing to cite? 

Eight) Do you feel like the vax prevets you, or young people from getting it? Spreading it? 

9) Re: 8, above, seeing as 85.7% of the covid deaths in Canada during the most recent reporting periods were among the multi-vaxed, what makes you think that the vax somehow prevents the spread, or infection? 

10) Again, I posted data, the source (our gov't), and it was all 100% accurate and pertinent. I omitted nothing. Stop hiding behind your excuse for ignorance while calling me names. You claim to have talked to your DR, and you're willing to stand behind the forced vaccinations of all Canadians based on his uninformed opinion: He's not a virologist or an epidemiologist, and if he looked at ANY data at all at he'd know that  forcing young people to vax and vaxing little kids was never in line with "science and data" by the time it became an option. 

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How the hell did you two manage to turn this into a thread about vaccines?

LOL...

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

This is exactly what we need, someone with a stick once in while here. 

• I agree. Time to disengage on that topic, on my part. 

 

Of course it is, because it's proving how stupid you are.

Maybe you shouldn't have started name-calling in the first place, hey? 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

This is exactly what we need, someone with a stick once in while here. 

I'll thank you to leave my 'stick' out of this young man. 

[Nationalist]

Well this thread has quickly gotten comical...I must say...

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And part of that is because even when students commit repeated acts of violence they're not expelled.

False

 

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

So if you're kicked out of a public school you're supposed to just not get an education. Is that what you're saying?

No he was told to complete the term via online learning. He also received multiple warnings and suspensions beforehand, which he deliberately ignored. 
 

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Yet here we have a guy who dared to express an opinion in a discussion that is shared by three-quarters of the population and you and the other zealots seem to find nothing inappropriate with him being tossed out of school for it.

That’s a lie. He wasn’t removed for “expressing an opinion”. He was removed for numerous demonstrations and disruptions physically blocking other students ability to access washrooms and go about their learning. He refused to stop despite numerous warnings of what would happen.  
 

He was removed due to his repeated BEHAVIOUR, not his opinion. Saying otherwise is lying. 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

1. No, he couldn't.  

1. Yes.  If he said it, fought the suspension in court and didn't trespass.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

1. It's a big enough story and it's on social media enough. And teenagers talk.

2. This isn't a matter of right and wrong (notwithstanding those terms are open for debate in numerous ways, although apparently not this one). This is a matter of fundamental science and narcissistic bullshit. You cannot say it's 'wrong' to politely state your opinion in a discussion that involves the very topic you give your opinion on. How do you hold a discussion on a topic if no one is allowed to disagree upon pain of expulsion?

3. You've made many, many posts on transgenderism and you're definitely what they might call an ally, if not a fanatic one.

4. Do you not realize how ironic you're writing this is in light of what you just said or was it meant to be ironic?

5. I don't care what your books say. I'm paying for this shit  ...

6. We're discussing the details HERE. If we tried to do it in a school right up through university, or at most workplaces, or on most websites I'd be expelled/fired/banned for daring to express a view contrary to that of the progressive regulatory environment IN SPITE of the fact only a small minority of people actually supports such a regulatory environment.

7. It's very much like life in a brutal dictatorship where everyone has to stand and chant and wave their fists and enthusiastically agree with whatever the stupid ideology/religion is or else be punished.

8.You are incorrect. He was suspended for disagreeing.  

 

1. Not necessarily.  The Halton Trolling Trans Teacher was much bigger internationally and the students didn't reveal additional details.  I think it has more to do with people not sending reporters to such stories.  In any case, you can't say "that's all the information there is" until the board reveals their side - if that even happens.  It hasn't in Halton either.

2.  It's possible to state an impolite or hateful opinion in polite tones too.  In any case, you seem to be saying the whole question is valid.  Well, that's your opinion but we're discussing this case here and your opinion on the validity of human rights policy doesn't enter into this very discussion as far as I can see.

3.  Maybe I am ?  Maybe my position is more nuanced than you make it out to be, because I also have a strong religious background.  In any case, do you see me putting comments about you into this discussion ?  

4. I'm writing about your posts.  I'm not saying that you personally are disqualified from posting or biased... I'm talking about what you have said.  You decry snowflakes and people who are overly sensitive but you are the pot calling the kettle based on your own words.

5. Do you really need to read a book to know that people are allowed to have an opinion ?  Pretty much everybody pays taxes by the way, you're not really that special.

6. Ok - well you're changing the point we were discussing.  You're bringing in a new topic - the consequences of talking about transgenderism in society.  I accept that people can be punished disproportionately for holding moral views that are outside some indescribable frame.  But that's not what we were talking about.  You said that 3/4 of Canadians agree with what exactly (?) the student said, which is a different point.

7. No that's hyperbole.  

8. Mea culpa - you're right, I thought they said "arrested" as per the subject line of this thread.

Please shorten your answers if you respond.  This is too drawn out and just repeats a lot of stuff.  It's tiresome to rehash the same points I have made already on this thread.  If you write a looooong post with no new points I will just respond to the parts that bear response.

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes.  If he said it, fought the suspension in court and didn't trespass.

Yeah - actually i read your comment wrong originally and mistook it for he could have not said what he said and been arrested.

But at the end of the day he still would have been punished by having his education taken away. So it's not like he woudln't have suffered serious punishment.  Lets face it - while the arrest is 'shocking' for headlines the suspension is likely the more serious of the two punishments.

 

[West]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah - actually i read your comment wrong originally and mistook it for he could have not said what he said and been arrested.

But at the end of the day he still would have been punished by having his education taken away. So it's not like he woudln't have suffered serious punishment.  Lets face it - while the arrest is 'shocking' for headlines the suspension is likely the more serious of the two punishments.

 

Just deepens the suspicious that educational institutions are being used to enforce far left nazistic propaganda to children 

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But at the end of the day he still would have been punished by having his education taken away. So it's not like he woudln't have suffered serious punishment.  Lets face it - while the arrest is 'shocking' for headlines the suspension is likely the more serious of the two punishments.

It's the most significant.  The trespass won't be tested in court...

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So you should stand up for your rights unless someone tells you not to?

There's a fine line between standing up for your rights, and attempting to troll and bully another, after multiple warnings. Further information points to him trolling:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253702/canadian-catholic-school-student-who-was-suspended-for-protesting-transgender-bathroom-policy-speaks-out

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And again - this is all over him stating his opinion.

No. I firmly believe there are two genders. There. Opinion stated.

What he is doing is borderline harassment. Especially since the school has an ironclad policy on their stance in this matter.

I see this as no different than me being offended at a religious symbol, and demanding a store to take it down. In their store. Just the sheer level of entitlement behind the act is mind boggling.

Planning a counter protest during a pride parade (follow the paper trail on this kid), is how you lose people who may have supported you on the washroom fiasco. 

He wasn't just voicing his rights. 

Let's make things clear. I would be uncomfortable with what looked like a female walking into the men's room to use the facilities. If they told me they were male, it would make me no more comfortable than a thief pointing a gun at me, reassuring me that they were loaded with blanks. 

There's a joke I could throw in, but its too soon.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody has a right to not obey the rule.

You can break laws and rules as you wish. Thats the beauty with adulthood. Actions have consequences. He chose to act, refused to back down, and if it's worth the fight, should continue.

But at a certain point, he will realize that his opinions have robbed him of tons of job opportunities.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

because some girls already felt uncomfortable.

So he planned a counter protest against a Pride parade to dial down the temperature?

He wanted attention, they called him on its and he is grasping at straws trying to play the victim. 

He isn't a victim. 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

False

It most definitely is true. That does not suggest students are NEVER expelled for violence, but only a pedant would think I had suggested that.

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

No he was told to complete the term via online learning. He also received multiple warnings and suspensions beforehand, which he deliberately ignored. 

You have a cite for this?
And told to complete the term by online learning, banishing him from his friends for the year is unnaceptable.

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s a lie. He wasn’t removed for “expressing an opinion”. He was removed for numerous demonstrations and disruptions physically blocking other students ability to access washrooms and go about their learning. He refused to stop despite numerous warnings of what would happen.  

Cite, please.

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

He was removed due to his repeated BEHAVIOUR, not his opinion. Saying otherwise is lying. 

Assuming someone is lying when nothing whatsoever had been presented to contradict their statement is the act of an ideological fool. Present your evidence and we'll have a look at it.

[Perspektiv]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Cite, please

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253702/canadian-catholic-school-student-who-was-suspended-for-protesting-transgender-bathroom-policy-speaks-out

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253702/canadian-catholic-school-student-who-was-suspended-for-protesting-transgender-bathroom-policy-speaks-out

Ok.  Some good details in there thanks.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2.  It's possible to state an impolite or hateful opinion in polite tones too.  In any case, you seem to be saying the whole question is valid.  Well, that's your opinion but we're discussing this case here and your opinion on the validity of human rights policy doesn't enter into this very discussion as far as I can see.

This is not a human rights issue. I really dislike how far people have stretched terms like this. It is not a 'human right' to be protected from anyone disagreeing with your self-declared gender. It is not a 'human right' to be able to pretend to be a different sex and be treated like that's true. One of the problems of the West is how that term has been stretched to the point of absurdity. Bein tortured or thrown in prison without trial or cause are violations of human rights.  Not being addressed by the pronoun of your choice is not.

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

4. I'm writing about your posts.  I'm not saying that you personally are disqualified from posting or biased...

" And you are seething"

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're bringing in a new topic - the consequences of talking about transgenderism in society.  I accept that people can be punished disproportionately for holding moral views that are outside some indescribable frame.  But that's not what we were talking about.  You said that 3/4 of Canadians agree with what exactly (?) the student said, which is a different point.

The number of genders. And probably more if they exclude the under-18s from surveys.

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

7. No that's hyperbole.  

No, it's actually quite similar. Do you think all the teachers at these schools believe in gender fluidity and that people can change gender overnight? Of course not! But if they dare to express their opinion they risk their job.

 

[I am Groot]

13 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253702/canadian-catholic-school-student-who-was-suspended-for-protesting-transgender-bathroom-policy-speaks-out

This cite does not support much of anything he said. In fact, if anything, it makes things seem worse for the school. He was suspended for 'bullying' for stating his opinion on a subject under discussion? 

And the sheer fanaticism of the trans supporters in calling people, presumably teenagers, protesting over males going into female bathrooms a 'terrorist organization' is almost gob-smackingly lunatic. What planet are these people from anyway?

[Perspektiv]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

What planet are these people from anyway?

Same country that froze bank accounts from "terrorists" with unacceptable fringe opinions. 

Here's an uneducated guest on what may have happened. 

He boldly stated his opinion. The trans activists opened up a complete tsunami of complaints to the principal.

Seeing who it was, they (the principal) panicked and overreacted. Probably even considered demanding deportation, even though he likely was born in Canada.

Crisis and cancelation averted. Dodged a bullet.

Canada is a highly centrist country. Fox News won't matter to most. 

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thank you. 

He could have said they're different and NOT been arrested too...

They could have also just given him a warning and a drive home. Arresting and applying the charges for "trespassing" was an option.

[Americana Antifa]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That sentence reveals more about your sophistication and education than you probably would have preferred.

Yes, it reveals that I know fascism is not the same as communism.

Just to be clear, I'm a socialist, not a communist. But I'm not an "enlightened centrist" so I know that fascism is much much worse than communism.

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

He was referring to reality, something about which I suspect you try to stay away from as much as possible.

They're not females. And that's what matters.

He was saying that people can't change their gender, which means trans people are invalid. It would be like saying gay people and straight people are different when opposing gay marriage.

TBH, if he said trans women aren't fully female, at least then he wouldn't be wrong. And that is a conversation we can have in good faith.

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I prefer "If you don't agree with the TOS work to get it changed. And if the people in charge won't change it then you change the people in charge.

Sure, but that's not what he did. He broke the TOS, then played the victim, which is all conservatives do.

I disagree with some laws, but I don't break the law. That's part of living responsibly.

[Americana Antifa]

7 hours ago, I am Groot said:

A private school wouldn't act like this. Or if it did that's exactly what people would do. It's both a Catholic and a Public school in the two different cases mentioned.

Well if it's a public school, then you can either vote for change, or you can take your kid to a private school.

[Americana Antifa]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes one can deny reality.  Just don’t persecute people for refusing to deny reality.  

I agree. It should be legal to deny the existence of trans people. But I'm glad people like that are looked down on.

[I am Groot]

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yes, it reveals that I know fascism is not the same as communism.

No one suggested it was.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Just to be clear, I'm a socialist, not a communist. But I'm not an "enlightened centrist" so I know that fascism is much much worse than communism.

Ah,  yes, Socialism is much saner. As in Venezuela. Or perhaps like democratic socialists like, oh, Daniel Ortega, for example. So much kinder and gentler!

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

He was saying that people can't change their gender, which means trans people are invalid. It would be like saying gay people and straight people are different when opposing gay marriage.

He said he believes there are only two genders. Probably because there are only two sexes. But hey, he's 16.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Sure, but that's not what he did. He broke the TOS, then played the victim, which is all conservatives do.

Riiight. Because everything about the identity politics of the Left isn't about convincing everyone they're victims and then exalting being a victim as somehow being noble.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I disagree with some laws, but I don't break the law. That's part of living responsibly.

Antifa is all about breaking the law.