Critics 'stunned and furious' at Liberals rejecting Senate amendment from controversial online streaming bill

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberals-reject-user-content-amendment-online-streaming-bill

This will allow them to censor a much larger group than they are claiming. This is pretty orwellian stuff.

[blackbird]

It looks more and more like Canadians do not have fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech if the government can pass a law like this controlling what people say  OR READ on social media.

Edited March 9, 2023 by blackbird

[Moonlight Graham]

They want to control as much as possible.  Maybe anti-Beijing content won't be "Canadian" enough lol

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It looks more and more like Canadians do not have fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech if the government can pass a law like this controlling what people say on social media.

no allowed deviation between your personal views and the views of the state

that is the definition of totalitarianism

[blackbird]

We are finding out more about Beijing's interference and it looks like they didn't like the Conservatives because they were not as Beijing friendly as the Liberals.  Liberals seem to be more in line with the Beijing kind of authoritarianism.

[myata]

Why would one be furious at someone who can? What's the point of being, feeling furious? You can try to change things, wouldn't be easy at this point though. Or better relax and enjoy the ride as nothing could be changed anymore. Wherever it takes you obviously, out of your control now You handed out the reins, turned off the brain and now feeling furious? Funny.

Edited March 9, 2023 by myata

[blackbird]

Just reading a book called Roman Catholicism by Lorraine Boettner written 50 years ago.  It is a comprehensive examination of all of Roman Catholicism in the light of Biblical teachings and the Reformation.  It mentions countries that are predominantly Roman Catholic are the ones that have the most Communists and often authoritarian (less democratic).  For example it mentions Italy 50 years ago when the book was written was about one-third Communist voters.  Spain, Portugal, strong RC countries have been very authoritarian (Franco, Mussolini).  The Inquisition was centred in Spain, directed by Rome, but spread through much of Europe.  Central and south America also had many people leaned toward Communism.  They are pouring into the U.S. and Canada now.   Why did Trudeau encourage all the illegal migrants to come to Canada?  The answer is they will vote liberal and left.   Che Guevara, Castro and other revolutionaries fought in central/south America and liberation priests promoted Communism in central/south America.  Cuba which is RC had a Communist revolution. 

Other authoritarians in the 20th century that caused the death of tens of millions of people were Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, etc.   So beware Canada.  Many if not most of our leaders are RC and seem to be very authoritarian.  Now we are learning about their attempts to impose controls on freedom of expression on the internet. 

Why is it that Romanism seems to lend itself to authoritarianism and Communism?   We should learn Rome was a totalitarian system that ruled the western world with an iron fist for over 1,000 years until the Reformation and subsequent wars to break its stranglehold on northern Europe and bring a certain amount of freedom and fundamental rights to western nations.  Millions of people died in past centuries to gain the basic freedoms, denied by Rome, that we now take for granted. 

The Reformation and wars following in the 16th and 17th century were all about getting basic freedoms such as freedom of religion, freedom of belief, freedom of speech, and the right to live one's life free from government or church authoritarianism.

Don't let the forked tongues of politicians fool you.  Many of them have an agenda of control.  We should not rest easy because they are working to regain authoritarian control over nations.  This seems to be a basic tenet of liberalism, Socialism, and progressivism:  authoritarianism and globalism.  You don't have to believe me.  Just look at the facts and what is happening.

Edited March 9, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Here is a basic truth I will repeat.  Romanism or Popery is authoritarianism by nature.   Many of our leaders are part of that system.

Rome believes they are God on earth.  That is basic Catholic teaching.  The Pope is the representative of God on earth.   Pontifex Maximus.  The Vicar of Christ.  That is what the definition of authoritarianism is folks.   

The Reformation threw that out and embraced the basic human right that everyone has the right to believe what they wish and worship God in whatever way they choose.  The right to believe that worship is between an individual and God, not between an individual and the Church with the absolute dictator its head and the Church ruling every aspect of a person's life.  

Today that has been cleverly replaced by government who believes they are the absolute ruler of everyone's life to an extreme degree and you have no freedom except what they deign to give you.

Edited March 9, 2023 by blackbird

[Zeitgeist]

Government in Canada must be drastically shrunk.  Bill C-11 is another means by which government can force-feed content on Canadians.  This “protecting and supporting Canadian culture” is about top-down control of what people can read/watch. It constitutes government-approved content.  The gate-keeping in Canada has to stop.  I wonder how many billions could be saved and how much our taxes could be reduced by restricting our government’s powers.  What do we need from them? Military, passports, ports, airports, some of Canada Post’s work, and Indigenous health and education (and benefits). Scrap just about everything else our federal government creeps into.  These are morally dubious people who want to dictate how Canadians think and live.  Defund the CBC and CRTC, and ban government funding of media (a conflict of interest that compromises the idea of a free press).

Edited March 9, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Government in Canada must be drastically shrunk.

True. The gov't functions best when it focuses on it's core duties, which you outlined for the most part. (missed justice system and a couple of others but basically you got them all).

The rest of the duties should be the provinces' pervue alone. THis 'shared responsibility' thing is just not working. And that way if the people of a province want something  like gun control or guaranteed basic income they can make that happen without affecting those who DON"T want it. It's a lot easier to vote out a provincial gov't for the most part. 

Unfortunately REAL change requires a constitutional amendment. Any changes the CPC brings in next term in power can be easily undone by the libs the next time they get in.

[blackbird]

Now we have the Church of Trudeau.  Actually had it since Pierre Trudeau's time.  He brought in a Charter of Rights to tell us we don't have rights except what government gives us.  Nobody recognized that is what the Charter of Rights meant and so-called Repatriation of the Constitution, which we already had.  Everyone thought we were really getting something in 1982.

Edited March 9, 2023 by blackbird

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Now we have the Church of Trudeau.

Let me guess you were hoping for Randy White's Church instead.

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Let me guess you were hoping for Randy White's Church instead.

Don't know who Randy White is..  

Worshiping the false god of liberalism is the same as worshiping the god of Baal.

 

[blackbird]

Throw away your idols and read the New Testament and believe the gospel.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Throw away your idols and read the New Testament and believe the gospel.

You can pry my han solo figurine from my cold dead hands baal-boy.

 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You can pry my han solo figurine from my cold dead hands baal-boy.

 

Who was the famous American who said you can pry his gun from his cold dead hands?   Sounds familiar.  Perhaps a famous American actor.

[blackbird]

Ahhh It was Charlton Heston.   Wonder what he would think of Trudeau.

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Ahhh It was Charlton Heston.   Wonder what he would think of Trudeau.

 

He would think: "Great, now i have to wipe the heel of my boot off again".

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He would think: "Great, now i have to wipe the heel of my boot off again".

Did you know Charlton Heston played Moses in the 1956 movie The Ten Commandments?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Did you know Charlton Heston played Moses in the 1956 movie The Ten Commandments?

I prefer to think that moses played charleton heston in the exodus.

(i'm funning ya a bit if you didn't get that )

[myata]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Unfortunately REAL change requires a constitutional amendment. Any changes the CPC brings in next term in power can be easily undone by the libs the next time they get in.

They could go with the proportional system. Get a real democracy working with real parliamentary checks and oversight in place of kindergarten-style pathetic spectacle. Why wouldn't they? One reason is obvious at least: the pull of the trough being too strong (read about black hole)?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

They could go with the proportional system.

That would change nothing.

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Get a real democracy working with real parliamentary checks and oversight in place of kindergarten-style pathetic spectacle.

It would be MORE of a kindergarten style pathetic specticle . we've had enough minority gov'ts so far to see that. And it would do nothing to stop gov't overreach. In fact it would make it harder to at least hold your local guy to account. PR diffuses responsibility, it doesn't consolidate it.  Short version - if voters won't make good decisions under the current system, they won't under PR and the problems persist.

2 minutes ago, myata said:

 

Why wouldn't they? One reason is obvious at least: the pull of the trough being too strong (read about black hole)?

Sure, but there are other reasons.  The goal of a politician is to be in power. Nobody who doesn't hunger for that gets very far. You might make it to mp but you'll never get past that unless you really really want the power.

So the libs don't want proportional becuase they'll have to suckhole to the ndp constantly to stay in power. The cpc doesn't want it because they'll rarely get in power.  All the fringe parties and the ndp do want it because they know theyll never get in power but if the house sees more minorities then they can own the balance of power which is just as good (right jagmeet?)

But that just makes for a disaster.

PR solves nothing and brings on a number of new problems.  All while pretending to be 'true democracy', which it isn't. And if it was we wouldn't want it - true democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

It looks more and more like Canadians do not have fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech if the government can pass a law like this controlling what people say  OR READ on social media.

We have all the freedoms as any other country. The government can pass any law it puts forth, always has and always will.

Do you or did you really think the Senate has anything to do with that??

What makes you think the Senate is anything  more than show business?

They are nothing more than political gifts for the faithful.

A formality that really had no value or, as we all know now, zero influence.

[Moonbox]

The Senate has become show business, but it's technically not.  It's sort of the same as our Parliament, in that the Prime Minister and the Cabinet just sort of whip legislation through regardless of whether or not the backbenchers agree, and if they do they face punishment.  I'll always remember Michael Chong getting ousted from Harper's parliament for not towing the party line.  Trudeau had Jody and the SNC Lavalin as an even worse example. 

Our MPs need to have more courage, and voters need to have more interest in these things, rather than the smoke and mirrors of partisan shouting matches.  

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

We have all the freedoms as any other country. The government can pass any law it puts forth, always has and always will.

Do you or did you really think the Senate has anything to do with that??

What makes you think the Senate is anything  more than show business?

They are nothing more than political gifts for the faithful.

A formality that really had no value or, as we all know now, zero influence.

I always thought we were supposed to be a model country of freedoms.  But it appears it is not true.  We don't have as much freedom as the Americans.

I don't think the Senate has much power.   It appears they have even less than I thought.

The first problem is the Senate is unelected.  It is as you just a group of elites that were paid off with a Senate seat.

I thought any new legislation the government wants to bring in MUST be passed by the Senate.   So how can the government ignore any amendments that the Senate makes?   I don't understand how that works.   Doesn't the Senate get the final say?