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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Did you forget Vatican City is it's own country? We accept representatives from all kinds of countries and we pay for their security.

You are very naive.  Vatican City is a pagan religious system that evolved from the ancient Babylonian religion and you think its ok to pay 35 million dollars to further its interests in Canada.  Who cares if they use a tiny piece of land in Italy to claim their own country.  That means nothing to any thinking person.  But you like to bow and scrape to the Pope and Vatican and think all Canadians should pay for it.  Wow!

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Fourth - the Catholic church still weilds much power and influence around the world and maintaining relations is important

Exactly why we as a country should NOT be bowing and scraping and paying millions of dollars to fund them.  They are the richest institution in the world, worth countless billions of dollars.  

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I don't hear you demanding to tally up what the dalai lama's visit cost us.

Of course I would oppose paying for the Dalai Lama's visit or any other religious leader.   Glad you're not in charge of the country, squandering taxpayer money right and left.

 

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dignitaries visit and when they do we provide security as does virtually every country in the world. get over it.

These are religious leaders, not nation's leaders.  They should pay for their own security and all expenses.  Forcing Canadians to pay 35 million dollars for the Pope's PR visit is outrageous in the extreme.  Many Canadians are struggling to keep a roof over their head and put food on the table and you think our tax dollars should pay for a papal visit.  He is the richest man and controls more wealth than anyone else in the world.  They have been accumulating billions and billions of dollars for 1,700 years by extortion of the people.   It is nothing but a huge con job.   You have been taken as a sucker by Trudeau and company who are Papists themselves. 

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2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

the Catholic church still weilds much power and influence around the world and maintaining relations is important.

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The Vatican is making a plea to over a billion practicing Catholics around the globe as they have nearly depleted their financial reserves. This comes following a 2020 in which many of the standard revenue sources, including donations, dried up for them and most other religious groups due to Covid-19 lockdowns.

But are they really as broke as they claim? The key to understanding this is the fact that they’re focused on financial reserves. To the laymen, this may seem to equate to their savings account, but that’s not actually the case. The Vatican still holds billions—and some claim it’s likely into the trillions—of dollars worth of property, shell companies, and other assets that help them hide a vast amount of accumulated wealth over the centuries."

The Vatican says they're broke. Are they? (noqreport.com)

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Jesus, the founder of Christianity, was the poorest of the poor.

 

Roman Catholicism, which claims to be His church, is the richest of the rich, the wealthiest institution on earth.

 

How come, that such an institution, ruling in the name of this same itinerant preacher, whose want was such that he had not even a pillow upon which to rest his head, is now so top-heavy with riches that she can rival - indeed, that she can put to shame - the combined might of the most redoubtable financial trusts, of the most potent industrial super-giants, and of the most prosperous global corporation of the world?


It is a question that has echoed along the somber corridors of history during almost 2,000 years; a question that has puzzled, bewildered and angered in turn untold multitudes from the first centuries to our days.


The startling contradiction of the tremendous riches of the Roman Catholic Church with the direct teaching of Christ concerning their unambiguous rejection, is too glaring to be by-passed, tolerated or ignored by even the most indifferent of believers. In the past, indeed, some of the most virulent fulminations against such mammonic accumulation came from individuals whose zeal and religious fervor were second to none."

The Vatican Billions - Two Thousand Years of Wealth Accumulation from Caesar to the Space Age (bibliotecapleyades.net)

Canadians have been conned and had by our Papist leaders.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are very naive.  Vatican City is a pagan religious system that evolved from the ancient Babylonian religion and you think its ok to pay 35 million dollars to further its interests in Canada. 

It's a foreign country's representative - it doesn't MATTER if you don't LIKE them, it doesn't MATTER if you think they're "pagans" because they have a different imaginary friend than you do.

Our gov't meets with and pays for the security for visiting leaders of other countries. Even ones we don't particularly like.  That's how it works

The rest of your blather is unimportant. Take your religious conflicts elsewhere - i hear ireland is a good place to visit for that shit.

This is a country - countries are going to meet with the leaders of other countries and with influential people.  I hate biden - we just paid for him to be here. That's how it works.

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's a foreign country's representative

  The Vatican state exists for propaganda purposes which you fall for.  They likely own more real estate and have more wealth in the world than the Canadian government's annual budget.  Keep your fingers off hard-earned taxpayer money.

You  say keep my religious conflicts elsewhere while you use Popery to con Canadians out of their hard-earned money for a Papal visit.  That hypocrisy.   Get real.  No to Popery.  You're not fooling anyone.  

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21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Vatican state exists

That's the only part of your post that matters.  We meet with foreign dignitaries and reps and when we do we pay for their security etc.

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

ou  say keep my religious conflicts elsewhere while you use Popery to con Canadians out of their hard-earned money for a Papal visit. That hypocrisy. 

It's not even remotely close to hypocrisy. Learn what words mean before you use them.

And how do you use 'popery'?  The dude is a visiting head of state. It's that simple. He's also an influential one.  That's important.

Isreal is a jewish state but if the head of state were visiting we'd pay for it. That doesn't mean we're endorsing judism and it doesn't mean we agree with isreal on everything or even anything.  But - our heads of state meet with other heads of state.

That's how it is.  Would you rather our govt never met with other gov'ts heads of state?

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43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The dude is a visiting head of state.

No, he is the head of a religious system, Romanism, and there is no way you can justify forcing Canadians to pay 35 million dollars for a Papal visit to Canada.  If it was a head of state, he would come here for a few hours and we would provide security for the visit

But the Pope came for a religious purpose and spent days travelling around the country doing his religious functions and meeting with his faithful.  Nothing to do with state to state matters.  He is acting in his position as the head of the Roman system.  That's all there is to it. 

Stop trying to force Popery on Canada at taxpayer's expense.   That is what is hypocrisy.  You pretend you are not being religious but are arguing for Popery being paid for by Canadians.  The only reason for the Vatican to claim to be a state is to use it as a cloak for its religious power.  Don't be so naive.  It is purely a religious visit.  All religious business for the benefit of the Roman system.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The dude is a visiting head of state.

This article describes where the 35 million dollars was spent.   It has nothing to do one head of state visiting Canada and meeting with the PM like President Biden did for 24 hours.

The Pope's visit was a religious affair between the Pope and his flock and the federal government funded it all.  It was a tour and various meetings in different parts of country over a number of days.  The taxpayer was made to cover all expenses including the expenses of the attendees to these meetings.

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Indigenous Services Canada and Crown-Indigenous Relations are putting up $30.5 million of the funds for community-led activities, ceremonies and travel for survivors. 

Crown-Indigenous Relations Minister Marc Miller has previously said the federal government would support survivors who want to attend and planning was taking place to avoid a "logistical nightmare."

Ottawa said another $3 million will support Indigenous groups in the three regions where Pope Francis will spend time. 

The papal visit is scheduled to start in Edmonton before Francis joins survivors at the Ermineskin Indian Residential School in the community of Maskwacis south of the city. Other events in Alberta include attending a local Indigenous church and a large mass at Commonwealth Stadium, home of the Edmonton Elks CFL football team. 

The Pope is set to travel to Quebec City mid-week where there will also be a large mass the public can attend. He is to end the journey in Iqaluit where he will meet with residential school survivors and attend a public community event.

The federal government has also committed $2 million to interpret the events and comments from Pope Francis into Indigenous languages. "

Pope's visit to Canada will cost taxpayers $35 million | CP24.com

Since it was a "reconciliation" visit and an attempt to heal the problems caused by the Catholic system itself with the residential schools and FNs, why should taxpayers be forced to pay 35 million dollars for this?  The Catholic church caused the problem and they should pay for it.  It was not a state visit.

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11 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, he is the head of a religious system,

He.... Is.....The...... Head...... Of..... State.

The fact he's also a religious leader doesn't change that. He came to canada, he met with our gov't leaders, we're paying for his security.

Lying to pretend otherwise ALSO doesn't change that. And lying by omission doesn't either.

And as to 'reconcilliation' - the church ran the schools UNDER THE GOV"TS REQUEST AND LAWS AND THE GOV"T PAID FOR IT.  Any wrongdoing the church is apologizing for is also the responsibility of the gov't.  AND - NONE of that is 'religious', that is all political. So again - here for political reasons.

Wow - for a 'christian' you certainly don't have much regard for the truth.

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56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

He.... Is.....The...... Head...... Of..... State.

The fact he's also a religious leader doesn't change that. He came to canada, he met with our gov't leaders, we're paying for his security.

Lying to pretend otherwise ALSO doesn't change that. And lying by omission doesn't either.

And as to 'reconcilliation' - the church ran the schools UNDER THE GOV"TS REQUEST AND LAWS AND THE GOV"T PAID FOR IT.  Any wrongdoing the church is apologizing for is also the responsibility of the gov't.  AND - NONE of that is 'religious', that is all political. So again - here for political reasons.

Wow - for a 'christian' you certainly don't have much regard for the truth.

Everyone can see that most of that 35 million dollars wasn't for "security" and it wasn't a state to state visit.  Security would have been a very small part of the total.  It was money doled out to various FNs groups to pay for various religious events, masses, etc. led by the Pope, and pay for travelling, accommodations, for expenses for all the people that wanted to attend.  No wonder it was 35 million dollars.  Quit trying to deceive us.  It was a religious pilgrimage to FNs fully funded by taxpayers.  No to popery.

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5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Everyone can see that most of that 35 million dollars wasn't for "security" and it wasn't a state to state visit.  Security would have been a very small part of the total.

Well it was a state to state visit to appologize for their role in the state run education system. So you're wrong right off the bat. 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

  It was money doled out to various FNs groups to pay for various religious events, masses, etc. led by the Pope, and pay for travelling, accommodations, for expenses for all the people that wanted to attend. 

is THAT what you're talking about? That's not just some random religious stuff - it was money for the indigienous people to hear the pope apologize!!  That was NOT money the POPE cost us - that was money the FIRST NATIONS cost us.

I looked it up btw - the bill for security etc was just over 20 million. I though that's what you were talking about when you said we spent money 'on the pope'.

So -  you were full of crap the whole time - this was not money spent on the pope it was money spent on the first nations to get an apology for the residentail schools.

How dishonest of you

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

 

No wonder it was 35 million dollars.  Quit trying to deceive us.  It was a religious pilgrimage to FNs fully funded by taxpayers. 

Well as we've discussed thats a lie. Popes don't make "religious pilgrimages' to canada. if they do they see ALL canadians not just one group

it was an apology to the first nations for their part in a GOV"T RUN education debacle. This was entirely political.

Stop lying just because you hate catholics. 

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