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On 3/17/2023 at 3:14 PM, bcsapper said:

Why does it matter who catches a bus?

The cowboy does have a point.

A very liberal,  very pro-immigration friend had to go to the Emergency room last week - twice. Two different hospitals. They said almost everyone there in the waiting rooms were foreigners, speaking English, when they spoke English, with heavy accents.

They weren't very happy about it but seemed confused about that.

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1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

The cowboy does have a point.

A very liberal,  very pro-immigration friend had to go to the Emergency room last week - twice. Two different hospitals. They said almost everyone there in the waiting rooms were foreigners, speaking English, when they spoke English, with heavy accents.

They weren't very happy about it but seemed confused about that.

What point?  I'm an immigrant, and I have an accent.  I don't see why I should go back to England because RedDog needs to feel more comfortable on a bus.

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1 minute ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Point made previously:  Does anyone let into their house every person who knocks on their door?

 

What criteria do you use?

 

Just now, Nefarious Banana said:

Are you a Canadian citizen?

Yes.

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On 3/5/2023 at 8:02 PM, herbie said:

The guy wants a simple answer, not the pissing and moaning of those who'd rather destroy it than fix anything. Wait times got bad during Covid... duhhh, Capt. Obvious.

It's more like Germany than the USA. Level of care and how much money you have aren't tied together. You don't pay to go to the doctor, there's none of the co-pay nonsense where you shell out for insurance and they'll go out of their way to cover as little as they can get away with, and none of the 'pre-existing condition' reasons they deny you coverage at all.

And often they don't want you to go to the hospital to get a nurse to change a dressing, so they send you home and the nurse comes to your house to do that. It's not like the "take 2 aspirins - if pain continues die" nonsense the GOP would have you believe. More like if you're a billionaire with a pimple on your ass, the old bag lady with cancer goes first. A none of the if you're a veteran or live in the downtown core you get a shittier hospital either.

Huh...

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, herbie-baby.

While I do think TAX-FUNDED HC is a good thing...over all...

This is horseshit...

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Wait times got bad during Covid... duhhh, Capt. Obvious.

My wife was in and out of the hospital with cancer treatments all through The Rona. She doesn't drive so I took her most of the time. Know what I saw...and still see?

EMPTY BEDS! All over the place.

The fact is...the hospitals were not lacking beds or space...the hospitals were lacking STAFF! That's still IMO the biggest failing of Canadian HC. The provinces run it like a business. Here in Ontario, nurses work part-time to avoid paying benefits. Nurses here have to hold two or more jobs at different hospitals, in order to make a full-time wage.

If the governments are going to charge us taxes for HC, perhaps they should fund HC with the money they take?

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1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

The fact is...the hospitals were not lacking beds or space...the hospitals were lacking STAFF!

It really varies.  Some places that's true, some the opposite is true entirely and some lack both. I recently had to spend time in the hospital and the hallways were absolutely lined with gurneys full of people because there were no rooms. It's like that in most of the hospitals around here these days.

So - what that tells me is the real problem with our system is it can't adequately adapt to the needs of the communities. They don't hire enough staff, over here they don't build enough facilities, over here they don't have enough seats for training so there isn't staff, over here, etc etc etc.

Private healthcare is much more flexible and tends to produce the right amount of care and the right staffing levels with much more accuracy.

Which is why you tend to see a bit of a blended system in most places around the world. We're actually in the minority - most places have some private care mixed in with their public care.

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37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It really varies.  Some places that's true, some the opposite is true entirely and some lack both. I recently had to spend time in the hospital and the hallways were absolutely lined with gurneys full of people because there were no rooms. It's like that in most of the hospitals around here these days.

So - what that tells me is the real problem with our system is it can't adequately adapt to the needs of the communities. They don't hire enough staff, over here they don't build enough facilities, over here they don't have enough seats for training so there isn't staff, over here, etc etc etc.

Private healthcare is much more flexible and tends to produce the right amount of care and the right staffing levels with much more accuracy.

Which is why you tend to see a bit of a blended system in most places around the world. We're actually in the minority - most places have some private care mixed in with their public care.

Sure. I should have noted we live in Toronto.

Where are you that your hospitals were full? HC is a tough thing to manage. On one side you have the bleeding hearts who think all medical services need be paid for by the government, and on the other the private hospital crowd. Personally I think we should have both. The problem with that is, of course, who do you tax for that? What if a person never uses the public option? I don't really believe the Canadian government couldn't afford to provide blanket HC, but the budgets would need some very serious re-negotiation. Again, yet another sticking point.

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3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

What about Norway?

Funny you mention that. As a boy, my father asked my grandfather why they didn’t speak Norwegian in the home like the Pedersons down the road spoke Swedish. My father was told that they didn’t speak Norwegian because they weren’t in Norway.

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33 minutes ago, RedDog said:

Funny you mention that. As a boy, my father asked my grandfather why they didn’t speak Norwegian in the home like the Pedersons down the road spoke Swedish. My father was told that they didn’t speak Norwegian because they weren’t in Norway.

I hope there were none of those damn Swedish on that bus...

 

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Sure. I should have noted we live in Toronto.

Where are you that your hospitals were full?

The lower mainland in bc. It's a chronic problem. There was an article in the paper just before the pandemic about one hospital taking over the starbucks and keeping patients in there (I'll have a colonoscopy and a late pls.  I mean the jokes write themselves. ) This time it was pretty bad, only those who needed specialized care were in rooms, or people who were going to be there longer term, but those who were there for 5 or 6 days were in the hallway.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

HC is a tough thing to manage. On one side you have the bleeding hearts who think all medical services need be paid for by the government, and on the other the private hospital crowd. Personally I think we should have both. The problem with that is, of course, who do you tax for that? What if a person never uses the public option? I don't really believe the Canadian government couldn't afford to provide blanket HC, but the budgets would need some very serious re-negotiation. Again, yet another sticking point.

Well the problem is we've got some of the funding coming from the feds, who can turn down the taps whenever they want, but it's the provinces who wear the political heat for it.

Before we had "universal health care" we still had it - it was just entirely provincially driven. The federal plan was supposed to make sure everyone could get the same services in all provinces and would fund it because that way it helped provinces who weren't doing so well and shared the cost a little across all the provinces.

But they raised the taxes to pay for that - then stopped paying for that. NOw the provinces can't really raise the taxes to cover it because the fed taxes are so high but they don't have the money to provide the services.

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36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The lower mainland in bc. It's a chronic problem. There was an article in the paper just before the pandemic about one hospital taking over the starbucks and keeping patients in there (I'll have a colonoscopy and a late pls.  I mean the jokes write themselves. ) This time it was pretty bad, only those who needed specialized care were in rooms, or people who were going to be there longer term, but those who were there for 5 or 6 days were in the hallway.

Well the problem is we've got some of the funding coming from the feds, who can turn down the taps whenever they want, but it's the provinces who wear the political heat for it.

Before we had "universal health care" we still had it - it was just entirely provincially driven. The federal plan was supposed to make sure everyone could get the same services in all provinces and would fund it because that way it helped provinces who weren't doing so well and shared the cost a little across all the provinces.

But they raised the taxes to pay for that - then stopped paying for that. NOw the provinces can't really raise the taxes to cover it because the fed taxes are so high but they don't have the money to provide the services.

Like Okanogan? That might be my favorite part of Canada. 

It doesn't help that the feds are such dinks. I will never understand why this nation is so strapped. Man, we have just about every resource needed in abundance. Yet we skimp and regulate ourselves to death.

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4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

What point?  I'm an immigrant, and I have an accent.  I don't see why I should go back to England because RedDog needs to feel more comfortable on a bus.

Too many foreigners make the majority of people uncomfortable. They start not feeling at home anymore.

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13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Like Okanogan? That might be my favorite part of Canada.

Well thats actually considered the interior, the lower mainland would be more like hope/chilliwack out through greater vancouver and out to squamish.  But pretty close - the okanagan isn't much of a car ride from me.

 

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It doesn't help that the feds are such dinks.

No. No it does not.

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I will never understand why this nation is so strapped. Man, we have just about every resource needed in abundance. Yet we skimp and regulate ourselves to death.

We chronically go through cycles of over spending which is then followed by periods of underspending to correct.  The weird thing is we time it in such a way that the overspending tends to happen during GOOD times and the underspending then comes during bad times.  The other way around would at least make SOME sense - but for whatever reason if the economy is good we tend to elect tax and spend gov'ts and when the economy sucks and we SHOULD be borrowing we have to tighten our belts. 

That's democracy for ya :)

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44 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Too many foreigners make the majority of people uncomfortable. They start not feeling at home anymore.

Yeah, I lived in Steveston for a few years.  Frankly, I didn't care how uncomfortable the Japanese and the Chinese felt.  I wasn't going anywhere until it suited me.

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On 3/5/2023 at 3:03 AM, NYLefty said:

The reason I ask is that down in the lowlife 48 here the media seems to keep your country shrouded in mystery with our right wing telling scary stories of a healthcare system that lets the elderly die, and letting people die waiting for medical treatments, and has Canadians scrambling across the border for proper healthcare. Can anyone elaborate on Canada's healthcare system? Because I'd really like to hear opinions on the Canadian healthcare system from someone other than an American.

Our system is a piece of crap because when the government doesn't manage a government-paid system properly (ie: fund it enough) people suffer and sometimes die.

Right now my preference is for a tightly regulated private insurance system.  Regulated so ie: people can't get denied coverage based on pre-existing conditions etc., and so the rich won't have better coverage than the poor.

I think this would strike a balance between the US and Canadian systems, and be better than both systems.

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On 3/5/2023 at 6:03 AM, Perspektiv said:

Once you get free health care, you will not understand a life without it.

Breaking a leg, shouldn't be a stressful financial event for any citizen.

Its stressful when you're sitting in the ER waiting room all freakin day just to get your broken leg looked at.

Its stressful when someone has serious mental health issues and is waiting months to see a psychiatrist.

Its stressful when you're waiting many months for an MRI, and when you finally get one the specialist doesn't allow you to get surgery because the tendons that are ripped off your bone "just isn't serious enough".

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On 3/5/2023 at 4:23 PM, Dougie93 said:

all my Republican brethren are keenly interested in Canadian politics now

the Freedom Convoy struggle to overthrow the Chinese Communist traitors in Canada

that's all over the number one shows in America, Joe Rogan Podcast & Tucker Carlson Tonight

down with the Democrat traitors to the Republic and their Liberal proxies in Canada too

Wait, so are you pro-republic or pro-loyalist today?

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Small town hosp. I have had exray,catscan and that some other one. Can't remember Lol. appt with a neck surgeon . Colon scope, all in a timely fashion,no major waits. Now the waiting room, different story,1-6 hrs. If serious ,then taken straight in.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

What point?  I'm an immigrant, and I have an accent.  I don't see why I should go back to England because RedDog needs to feel more comfortable on a bus.

Um, actually, this is a British Commonwealth Country. Duh.

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