Contrarian Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) Your view -> What is the issue with policing in America? I am in between Police Unions protecting corrupt cops and Wrong Training: Lack of Incorporating of Social Workers, Police in America are being trained as a military. I think will stick with blaming the unions, almost every single case of the major incidents involves the unions not doing their jobs. *I added as many possible options, and the last option is: Other option, add in the comment section. Options: Police Unions protecting corrupt cops Racism Wrong Training: Lack of Incorporating Social Workers, Police in America are being trained as a military Mistrust against the police There is no issue Other option, add in the comment section Edited March 4 by Contrarian edit design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Other issue in addition to all of the above. "Blue Wall of Silence" tradition inhibits cops from enforcing the law on OTHER COPS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: Other issue in addition to all of the above. "Blue Wall of Silence" tradition inhibits cops from enforcing the law on OTHER COPS. Yah, that is a big one too under others, but that is so hard to break. The type of mind that a cop has, I don't think one can function if one is on patrol thinking that the person beside them does not have their back. Is a deadly environment, and that kind of mentality, "The Pack", is needed for survival in my estimation, even for cops. Edited March 4 by Contrarian edit design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 41 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Yah, that is a big one too under others, but that is so hard to break. The type of mind that a cop has, I don't think one can function if one is on patrol thinking that the person beside them does not have their back. Is a deadly environment, and that kind of mentality, "The Pack", is needed for survival in my estimation, even for cops. It does NOT have to include tolerance of illegal procedures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1. standards, 50 states w umpteen counties, no standardized training diploma needed 2. universal attitude of "I know my rights" which they usually don't and only pisses off any cop 3. 'blue wall' that exists in any bureaucracy. especially police One of the best things in Canada is you know what to expect when dealing with any policeman anywhere. Or you bloody should by the time you're an adult. And YES racism exists. The only incidents of 'driving while white' could more accurately be described as 'driving a 57 Chevy full of long hairs reeking of pot' that just happen to be all white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) Overall it is accountability issues. Wrongdoers are protected by the brotherhood. This can be related to unions, but it is more than that. When you give certain people a lot of power many will abuse it. People need to be held accountability. Creating a job with this sort of power will attract the people who like having it, which is exactly the kinds of people who shouldn't be cops. Edited March 5 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) There are also huge inequities in pay. Some states pay up to 40% above the national average and some are over 30% below. Edited March 5 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 7 hours ago, Contrarian said: Your view -> What is the issue with policing in America? I am in between Police Unions protecting corrupt cops and Wrong Training: Lack of Incorporating of Social Workers, Police in America are being trained as a military. I think will stick with blaming the unions, almost every single case of the major incidents involves the unions not doing their jobs. *I added as many possible options, and the last option is: Other option, add in the comment section. Options: Police Unions protecting corrupt cops Racism Wrong Training: Lack of Incorporating Social Workers, Police in America are being trained as a military Mistrust against the police There is no issue Other option, add in the comment section I'll go down the list with you. 1. Are there police unions protecting corrupt cops? I don't see how that helped Derek Chauvin, whose LEGAL maneuver on a struggling and psychotic suspect wound up getting him convicted of murder. I wouldn't give the police unions a PENNY after that. 2. Racism may be one of the most natural tendencies of Homo Sape. Everybody sooner or later is a racist. It's hard wired into our human DNA to fear that which is different. I fail to see a pattern of racism in police officers, (many of whom are different races from white.0 3. I'm pretty sure police in America are NOT trained as a military. The military mission is to kill the enemy and break it's stuff and if necessary target civilians until the leaders are ready to talk peace. The military issues a target and orders "FIRE." The police have a different and maybe tougher job since they have to all be practically Harvard Lawyers every time they arrest an animal. The military doesn't have due process. Military Courts Martial don't even have the same due process as civilians. 4. I'm not so sure police are as mistrusted as the CNNs of the world would like us to think. (a) People STILL join the police force, and (b) people STILL call the police when they need help. 5. I'd like to say there's no issue, but that wouldn't be honest. I DID vote "no issue" just to be a dick. 6. If I were to offer "another option" I would say police in America aren't considered as important as they were when I was a kid. Back then, cops didn't have to work a shift wearing a bulletproof vest. They were respected, looked up to. TV cop shows actually portrayed them in more positive terms than today. And policing has gotten a lot more difficult and a lot more dangerous today, than it was back in the early Sixties. The family of a police officer back in the early Sixties had reason to be proud of Daddy, going to work in that cop car and putting bad guys away. Today, police officer families prepare themselves for the possibility that they will not see Daddy ever again. THAT'S the issue with policing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 7 hours ago, robosmith said: Other issue in addition to all of the above. "Blue Wall of Silence" tradition inhibits cops from enforcing the law on OTHER COPS. Actually, there is such a thing as Internal Affairs. It enforces the law against cops who break the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 1. standards, 50 states w umpteen counties, no standardized training diploma needed. That's actually kind of fascinating, that you think ALL police (regardless of their beat) should all be trained in the SAME manner from ONE central source. 2. universal attitude of "I know my rights" which they usually don't and only pisses off any cop. Cops are only human. I think it was the author Michael Connelly (who wrote the great Lincoln Lawyer series) who maintained that people (innocent or not) talk themselves into prison every day. I actually got pulled over a week ago for running a red light. It was egregious. The cop came over and shined his light. I already had the window open and my driving papers handy. I looked him right in the face and admitted what I did. Didn't try to deny it. And I told him I was sorry. He let me off with a warning (a verbal one at that) and said he appreciated my honesty. 3. 'blue wall' that exists in any bureaucracy. especially police I agree. EVERY organized occupation on occasion will circle the wagons. 4 One of the best things in Canada is you know what to expect when dealing with any policeman anywhere. Or you bloody should by the time you're an adult. You are NOW claiming that ALL cops in Canada are the same? Do you realize just how ridiculous that sounds? Are you suggesting there are NO bad cops, no racist cops, no incompetent cops up there? Are you suggesting that ALL Canadian cops get their orders from Ottawa and ALL of them conform without question and without any variation at all? 5. And YES racism exists. The only incidents of 'driving while white' could more accurately be described as 'driving a 57 Chevy full of long hairs reeking of pot' that just happen to be all white. Only if you get into a time machine and travel back to the late Sixties. Then again, THIS certainly looks racially motivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reason10 Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Overall it is accountability issues. Wrongdoers are protected by the brotherhood. This can be related to unions, but it is more than that. When you give certain people a lot of power many will abuse it. People need to be held accountability. Creating a job with this sort of power will attract the people who like having it, which is exactly the kinds of people who shouldn't be cops. This is true in a lot of professions. A lot of nut jobs wind up with a law degree. A lot of doctors become drug dealers. A lot of chemists wind up creating meth labs. There are bad apples in every bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 6. Candy-assed Progs and the dim-witted who fall for MSM BS won't let the police do their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 6 Author Report Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said: 6. Candy-assed Progs and the dim-witted who fall for MSM BS won't let the police do their jobs. 4. Mistrust against the police Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 On 3/4/2023 at 8:34 PM, reason10 said: Actually, there is such a thing as Internal Affairs. It enforces the law against cops who break the law. Only if they have evidence which MIGHT be provided by other cops present at the bust. AKA, NOT Blue Wall of Silence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 12 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: 6. Candy-assed Progs and the dim-witted who fall for MSM BS won't let the police do their jobs. A LOT of cops' misconduct is ON VIDEO these days, so "MSM BS" is NOT a FACTOR in those cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, robosmith said: A LOT of cops' misconduct is ON VIDEO these days, so "MSM BS" is NOT a FACTOR in those cases. There are some videos of bad cops so all cops are bad. Is that your prog logic, hasty generalization of the day? But hey, off topic for a bit. I've been sick lately, getting up at strange hours. I notice that seems to be your MO. Prowling around late at night, early into the morning. How do you deal with it? Get back to sleep, I mean. Warm milk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLefty Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Wrong training is a biggie. A nationwide regulation that requires each and every policeman wear a body cam that can not be shut off and is on from the moment an officer starts his shift. Video documentation is everything and has gone a long way in bringing justice to people who've been abused by bad cops. I can only imagine what was going on before body cams and everyone was carrying a phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Contrarian said: Why are you compromising your higher intellect with neo nazi and disgruntled men that activate this forum, from the right? Listen, I might have personal issues but went to school to read people, I know someone that can think for himself when I read one. You are better than this, young man, time to give everyone the middle finger and achieve. https://ca.coursera.org/specializations/intro-cyber-security It starts March 6th. Lose the patronizing tone, Bud. You're better than nobody. If you have a better argument than mine, produce it. Justify it. Otherwise don't waste my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) I went with police unions. Tho in Canada it's becoming apparent police forces are there to enforce SDGs which is basically just rebranded nazism Edited March 6 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 6 Author Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) 3 minutes ago, West said: I went with police unions. Thank you @West for participating in the conversation. Yes, I agree, 100 % the unions are at fault. Do not agree with the nazism comment at the end, though. and also this includes the Blue Wall, it all goes back to the union politics. Edited March 6 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Law enforcement as a whole is fine. It's just a few rotten apples that seem to be grabbing all the attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: There are some videos of bad cops so all cops are bad. Is that your prog logic, hasty generalization of the day? But hey, off topic for a bit. I've been sick lately, getting up at strange hours. I notice that seems to be your MO. Prowling around late at night, early into the morning. How do you deal with it? Get back to sleep, I mean. Warm milk? It's obvious what these progressive lunatics wanted to do. Now because of their false narratives about the police, they've elected lunatics such as that crazy mayor of Calgary who is using the police to crack down on protest against preferred liberal causes. Protecting SDG nazism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 8 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: There are some videos of bad cops so all cops are bad. Is that your prog logic, hasty generalization of the day? NO ONE said "all cops are bad." That is YOUR STRAWMAN. 8 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: But hey, off topic for a bit. I've been sick lately, getting up at strange hours. I notice that seems to be your MO. Prowling around late at night, early into the morning. How do you deal with it? Get back to sleep, I mean. Warm milk? I am never here after midnight Pacific Time. Seldom after 11PM. I do find that political shows on TV are good for insomnia. LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 42 minutes ago, robosmith said: NO ONE said "all cops are bad." That is YOUR STRAWMAN. Well, actually that would be a misunderstanding not a strawman. So you're not saying "all cops are bad then?" Very well, answer the poll question again then, "What is the issue with policing in America?" The premise there appears to be there is a general issue specifically with policing in America. In America as opposed to any place else. It also appeared to me that you were falling in line with that premise and telling me that the fact you could find videos online of bad policing proved it. But now you say, 'no, that wasn't what you meant." I assume you're saying now you were only talking about the incidents of bad policing caught on video and those are the specific ones you want to fix. That's good. Because I've also seen many examples of good policing on video. Also police who were accused of bad policing but the police cam disproved any malfeasance. I'm hopeful you and the OP aren't wanting to fix those as well. There is an option in the poll for "There is no issue" But that would be disingenuous from your perspective because according to you now, you're just talking about the incidents of bad policing you saw on YouTube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted March 6 Author Report Share Posted March 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: wanting to fix those as well. Fix? I present the flaws. Politicians and activists should deliver the fix. What I find trending is that every single major incident leads back to the corrupt world of the unions. Everything else is just political propaganda is my take. Edited March 6 by Contrarian edit design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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