CSIS: Liberal MP is alleged Chinese agent, Trudeau ignored warnings

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

A book worth reading is "Why Naziism is Socialism and Why Socialism is Totalitarianism"  By George Reisman.  Available on Amazon Kindle.  The Nazis controlled companies and set prices just as Socialism would do.

Socialism = big gov't and Naziism is the epitome of big government. I can't imagine Naziism without socialism, and without control of the most credulous, easily divided among us. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

The most credulous? You have an IQ under 70 friend in my view, with a mind like yours that gets manipulated by a covid vaccine conspiracy, of course is easy to manipulate you. 

You are a follower, soon, in a few years, once you find out all you believe is a lie, you'll come around, you might follow centrism. Insecure man. 

Now, keyboard, trolling and supporting fake militia men because they happen to agree with you in some points. Forward -> You are the man. 

Blah, blah, blah.

I never went along with 3 years of Russian collusion, did you?

I never fell for the Michael Brown scam, and cheered on rioting, looting and arson, did you? 

I never fell for the vax scam, and went along with the forced vaccinations of young, healthy people and children, did you? 

I never fell for all the covid 'disinformation' censorship which has finally all come to light, did you?

You are credulous, your estimation of my IQ is a badge of honour, thank you kindly.

Get back to your daily 40oz'er.

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Listen, I never fell for the Russian collusion, you are confusing me with left-wing ideologues on the American forum. Trump pushed his narcissism, yes, but to "collude", Mueller spoke about that, already. No proof of such. 

I never specifically included you in the "most credulous" category. You just wigged out.

I don't really care what you think about Trump, or any of the other topics I mentioned. You do you, Contrarian. Have a great day, dude. 

[blackbird]

CTV news announced today the RCMP is investigating the leak from CSIS of Chinese spy interference.  Canadians apparently have no right to know anything if it comes from unauthorized channels in CSIS.  Why is CSIS not authorizing the release of such information?  Guess they are not permitted to give any information out unless authorized by Trudeau.  That is the only explanation that makes sense.

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

CTV news announced today the RCMP is investigating the leak from CSIS of Chinese spy interference.  Canadians apparently have no right to know anything if it comes from unauthorized channels in CSIS.  Why is CSIS not authorizing the release of such information?  Guess they are not permitted to give any information out unless authorized by Trudeau.  That is the only explanation that makes sense.

Well yeah - csis can't release information unless authorized by the gov't of the day. That's a necessary design element to your security apparatus 

But a more interesting question is why did the authorities believe that it's not worth investigating more into the interference itself, but IS worth trying to find out who spilled the beans about it.

As to why the gov't didn't want the info getting out -well i think we know that.

[blackbird]

There should be a detailed explanation given to the public by Trudeau as to what constitutes privileged or private information in relation to the election interference.  The explanation should be full and there should be some definition of what kind of information the public can be told.  The public must be tired of being treated like school children.  The patronizing comments by bureaucrats saying on the committee we can't tell this and that is tiring.  It does not instill confidence in the government.  I'm sure people believe the government is simply trying to hide things to protect their incompetence.  The public has a right to know everything possible.

[Moonlight Graham]

Trudeau wants parliaments national security committee to investigate the Chinese interference.  So he wants an all-MP/senator committee made of mostly Liberals to investigate?  No thanks.

[blackbird]

FIRST READING: The Trudeau family's weirdly close relationship with Communist China (msn.com)

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trudeau wants parliaments national security committee to investigate the Chinese interference.  So he wants an all-MP/senator committee made of mostly Liberals to investigate?  No thanks.

It's also not an official committee of parliament and thus has no power to demand information from the government. It was created by ... Justin Trudeau, in fact. It not only can't subpoena information, it can't appeal if cabinet says no.

What witnesses it calls will be decided by the Liberal majority. What terms of investigation it chooses to use will be set by the Liberal majority. And you can be sure that will NOT include the principle questions Canadians want answered: What did the Liberals know about these alleged Chinese agents, when were they informed, and what, if anything did they then do?

Edited March 7, 2023 by I am Groot

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

It's also not an official committee of parliament and thus has no power to demand information from the government. It was created by ... Justin Trudeau, in fact. It not only can't subpoena information, it can't appeal if cabinet says no.

What witnesses it calls will be decided by the Liberal majority. What terms of investigation it chooses to use will be set by the Liberal majority. And you can be sure that will NOT include the principle questions Canadians want answered: What did the Liberals know about these alleged Chinese agents, when were they informed, and what, if anything did they then do?

How much of whatever they "find" will be deemed "classified" anyways.  "Here's our findings, ooops sorry 1/2 of it is redacted".

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, blackbird said:

CTV news announced today the RCMP is investigating the leak from CSIS of Chinese spy interference.  Canadians apparently have no right to know anything if it comes from unauthorized channels in CSIS.  Why is CSIS not authorizing the release of such information?  Guess they are not permitted to give any information out unless authorized by Trudeau.  That is the only explanation that makes sense.

"OMG, THE LEAK!" lol.

The fact that we have elected officials here who were propped up by the Communist Party of China is of secondary importance to our police....

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"OMG, THE LEAK!" lol.

The fact that we have elected officials here who were propped up by the Communist Party of China is of secondary importance to our police....

This is what i was saying.  "China has directly interfered with our elections and it's possible some of our politicians are compromised or chinese agents at this point!"  - POLICE: "Yawn."   "and someone leaked that info to the public who has a right to know whether their democracy has been compromised!"  POLICE: "What!?!? Someone TOLD them? Put down the donunts and saddle up boys...."

[Moonbox]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

What witnesses it calls will be decided by the Liberal majority. What terms of investigation it chooses to use will be set by the Liberal majority. And you can be sure that will NOT include the principle questions Canadians want answered: What did the Liberals know about these alleged Chinese agents, when were they informed, and what, if anything did they then do?

You don't really know that. 

The fact that Trudeau first tried to brush this under the rug, and then finally acquiesced after weeks of pressure and criticism, I think, shows that he understands he's weak here and that Canadians want satisfactory answers.  I'm not going to be content with a cursory hand-waving over this.  

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

How much of whatever they "find" will be deemed "classified" anyways.  "Here's our findings, ooops sorry 1/2 of it is redacted".

All members of this committee have to swear an oath of secrecy under the official secrets act, too. So even the opposition members won't be able to say anything publicly.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You don't really know that. 

The fact that Trudeau first tried to brush this under the rug, and then finally acquiesced after weeks of pressure and criticism, I think, shows that he understands he's weak here and that Canadians want satisfactory answers.  I'm not going to be content with a cursory hand-waving over this.  

He hasn't acquiesced. He's throwing out smoke and mirrors to try to pretend he's acquiescing. There is no independent or public investigation. 

And what do I not really know? All I said was the Liberal majority on that committee will make all the decisions, including terms of reference, witnesses, and what is made public.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

This is what i was saying.  "China has directly interfered with our elections and it's possible some of our politicians are compromised or chinese agents at this point!"  - POLICE: "Yawn."   "and someone leaked that info to the public who has a right to know whether their democracy has been compromised!"  POLICE: "What!?!? Someone TOLD them? Put down the donunts and saddle up boys...."

The RCMP commissioner is a diversity hire who knows who's buttering her bread and does as she's told.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

He hasn't acquiesced. He's throwing out smoke and mirrors to try to pretend he's acquiescing. There is no independent or public investigation. 

And what do I not really know? All I said was the Liberal majority on that committee will make all the decisions, including terms of reference, witnesses, and what is made public.

Sadly accurate. This isn't "bending to the public desire for answers", this is distraction chaffe that will buy time for the issue to fade and produce a muddled answer that will appear to suggest there's no further need for investigation without clarifying anything.

[blackbird]

In Trudeau"s 2017 visit with the Pope in the Vatican, he gave the Pope a huge volume:

"For his part, Trudeau gifted Francis a copy of "Relations de Jesuits du Canada," a rare 6-volume edition that documents the Jesuits' reports on Canadian territory, and a Jesuit vocabulary in a special edition."

Here's what Pope Francis and Justin Trudeau talked about | Catholic News Agency

Considering the Jesuit's and Rome's secret diabolical history, this reveals a lot about Trudeau's trust in the Jesuits and Rome.  We know the Pope is a Socialist, a Globalist and a Jesuit himself.  Trudeau is a strong globalist as well.  That in itself should be a concern, in addition to all the deeper concerns.

Edited March 7, 2023 by blackbird

[Moonbox]

36 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

He hasn't acquiesced. He's throwing out smoke and mirrors to try to pretend he's acquiescing. There is no independent or public investigation. 

You may be right, but when intelligence services are involved it's generally a bad idea to hold public investigations.  You don't want to to be giving up your intelligence methods and sources. 

Personally, I'd like to see the investigation conducted by a bi-partisan (conversatives, bloc, ndp and liberals) committee with security clearance.  

36 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And what do I not really know? All I said was the Liberal majority on that committee will make all the decisions, including terms of reference, witnesses, and what is made public.

This part:

And you can be sure that will NOT include the principle questions Canadians want answered: What did the Liberals know about these alleged Chinese agents, when were they informed, and what, if anything did they then do?

Edited March 7, 2023 by Moonbox

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I think, shows that he understands he's weak here and that Canadians want satisfactory answers. 

You must be very naive if you think you will get satisfactory answers from Trudeau or a liberal.  The most you will get is information obstruction on "national security grounds", obfuscation, diversion, confusion, and blame shifting.

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You must be very naive if you think you will get satisfactory answers from Trudeau or a liberal.  The most you will get is information obstruction on "national security grounds", obfuscation, diversion, confusion, and blame shifting.

I've known this for decades. We need an investigation to rub this even further in my nose?

I'm pretty sure there's more important things we could be focusing our attention on.

[Moonbox]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You must be very naive if you think you will get satisfactory answers from Trudeau or a liberal.  The most you will get is information obstruction on "national security grounds", obfuscation, diversion, confusion, and blame shifting.

Maybe go start another thread about it.  We need to hear more about how upset badman Trudeau makes you.  

We can always count on people like you to provide intelligent and nuanced contributions to these debates.  ?

Edited March 7, 2023 by Moonbox

[Nefarious Banana]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You must be very naive if you think you will get satisfactory answers from Trudeau or a liberal.  The most you will get is information obstruction on "national security grounds", obfuscation, diversion, confusion, and blame shifting.

And, if all the above fail, he'll try to play the racism, misogynist, un-vaxxed, etc., etc., card.  Nothing's beneath that clown.

[Nefarious Banana]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I've known this for decades. We need an investigation to rub this even further in my nose?

I'm pretty sure there's more important things we could be focusing our attention on.

Perhaps if your nose is rubbed in the Liberal stench enough, you'll quit sh!t!ng on the carpet by voting for Trudeau.

[blackbird]

The question I would have is how is "national security" harmed by Canadians knowing the details of the Chinese Communist Party interference?  How else are Canadians going to figure out how to defend Canada's democratic system from foreign interference?  Obviously bureaucrats and CSIS are not able to protect it.  If it to be protected, it has to be grass roots Canadians that know the details and do something about it.  The interference is at local levels.