Moonbox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Banning Huawei from the 5G network = ANTI CHINESE RACISM too, I guess? 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 20 hours ago, Moonbox said: I don't think that's true. I think this is going to blow up. Trudeau's former advisors are now coming out in favor of a non-partisan inquiry (a former CSIS director among them) and if they keep trying to sweep this under the rug, it's only going to get worse. As for the media not caring, the Globe and Mail has been running daily stories on this all week, and none of them are Trudeau-friendly. This is actually a real and tangible issue that (IMO) transcends the regular culture war bullshit that we're constantly arguing about. I think we can all agree that nobody here wants Chinese influence in our democratic process, and if I was Pierre Poilievre I would push and push and push on this. If he can keep the mad-dog rhetoric down and just keep asking questions and bringing this up, I can see this ending the Trudeau era. Jaghmeet Singh wants this inquiry now - I think he sees blood in the water too. Sure the media is going to cover it, until the next gaff or story, remember when the same sources came out and said 11 MP have had Chinese assistance, not all were liberal some were said to be conservative as well. where was the public out cry then....The liberal government came out and told us nothing to worry about, then the story seems to be going as more is being uncovered...no outrage by conservatives wanting the name of their candidate exposed.... I think all the media outlets should be in on this story...it is or used to be one of their responsibilities to hold our government accountable... And i agree with you there needs to be an independent inquiry lead by NDP, Green, PPC to uncover all of this interference , there should be more than blood in the water there should be a few bodies by now...This story could be the one that leads into an election, or Justin stepping down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, Moonbox said: Either he assumes Canadians are all too ignorant or distracted to care, or he’s worried there’s actually something to it. I would put it to you, sir, that two things can be true at once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Banning Huawei from the 5G network = ANTI CHINESE RACISM too, I guess? 😑 Possibly, but it wouldn't be OUR racism you see. The allies basically forced that saying 'we're never going to talk to you on the phone if you don't ban them you dolt" so he had to (or miss out on all the best parties). So that's AMERICAN racism and anti-chinese sentiment. BAD americans! Bad! ( you can't see it but i'm squirting a water bottle in their direction) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 4 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: Jagmeet Singh has had multiple chances to act like a leader but has 'turned the other cheek' on his NDP and the citizens of any stripe in Canada. He's not going to jump out of his sh!t-eating character for any one or anything. He will for one thing. Votes. he knows if he goes into the next scheduled eleciton still as part of teh non-coaliton-coalition or worse if Justin breaks up with HIM first then he will almost certainly be creamed in the polls. But - he can't break with justin over just any old reason - it's got to be something that's a real wedge. Something that makes him look really good and justin look bad. "We've tried working with teh liberals and wanted to have a stable government until the next election, but we cannot turn a blind eye to justin selling out Canada to the chinese and demand in the interest of the national voters confidence that we investigate and find him guilty as hell" If he can sell that - then he might be able to regain his popularity, stab the libs in the back and pick up some seats and hold onto his job as leader. If he doesn't pick up seats or worse loses more then this will be his last go at it. He's been trying - but nothing so far has stuck. This might be the golden bb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Eric Swallwell in the US gets caught porking Chinese spy Fang Fang Trudeaus Liberals allow China to buy their elections. What is it with leftist parties and the Chinese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, West said: Eric Swallwell in the US gets caught porking Chinese spy Fang Fang Trudeaus Liberals allow China to buy their elections. What is it with leftist parties and the Chinese? In order to force all Canadians to adopt to the liberal and far left hallowed "utopian" society it will be necessary to have almost complete control over the public. The chinese have mastered that - of course the hard left has a hard on for them. It' s like a highschooler with his first guitar watching Hendrix. Like justin said - he admires the chinese regime because they can make changes they want on a dime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, West said: Eric Swallwell in the US gets caught porking Chinese spy Fang Fang Trudeaus Liberals allow China to buy their elections. What is it with leftist parties and the Chinese? The Chinese see them as easier targets, so they target them. This is why CSIS says the CCP supported the Liberals to win over the CCP the last 2 elections. It is also possible I suppose that, per above, they share some sympathies with their regime in certain ways. I think its maybe more about the left having a more globalist/open-to- foreigners worldview. I find left politicians often paralyzed by their own rhetoric. They're too politically correct and tolerant to take certain necessary actions that politically correct types might see as intolerant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: The Chinese see them as easier targets, so they target them. This is why CSIS says the CCP supported the Liberals to win over the CCP the last 2 elections. It is also possible I suppose that, per above, they share some sympathies with their regime in certain ways. I think its maybe more about the left having a more globalist/open-to- foreigners worldview. I find left politicians often paralyzed by their own rhetoric. They're too politically correct and tolerant to take certain necessary actions that politically correct types might see as intolerant. There is definitely something to be said about that last part. I don't like Bill Maher in general, but I remember him chatting with Seinfeld and saying something along the lines of "The politically correct are so excessively tolerant that they tolerate intolerance". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 2 headlines this morning that show the vast gulf between how Canada reacts to Chinese election interference and how the US reacts to it One article: "House's new US-China committee holds first hearing focusing on communist threat" and "Trudeau warns journalists that questions about China's election interference are racist and should stop." Sorry I can't post links right now but you can Google the articles and I'm sure you get the idea. Canada is not taking this seriously. Trudeau benefits from it so he doesn't care and wants it buried. Liberal MPs refusing to cooperate. This is hurting our US relations politically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 23 hours ago, Contrarian said: It seems, there are some CSIS members which had enough on the lack of action amongst the politicians, and that working with The Globe and Mail, was found to be the better option. 😎 Clearly, is working, as the pressure is intensifying daily, with more and more former advisers stepping up and saying they want a public inquiry now. With democracies, decisions should be made by elected officials. But then again, sometimes they need a bit of a shove. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 20 hours ago, Moonbox said: I think it is. I’d like to know more about this. Trudeau just trying to sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away makes me suspicious. Either he assumes Canadians are all too ignorant or distracted to care, or he’s worried there’s actually something to it. I think he KNOWS there's more to it. Dong is the only Liberal MP identified but we know 9 were backed by China. Does anyone really think he was the only one to get elected? There could be half a dozen MPs in Trudeau's caucus whose loyalty is to China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) 26 minutes ago, suds said: With democracies, decisions should be made by elected officials. Yes, that is the marketing but as you said, it seems, sometimes for a vessel to work, some unknown forces are needed in order for the political crew at the top to make better choices. Edited February 28 by Contrarian grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, I am Groot said: I think he KNOWS there's more to it. Dong is the only Liberal MP identified but we know 9 were backed by China. Does anyone really think he was the only one to get elected? There could be half a dozen MPs in Trudeau's caucus whose loyalty is to China. It's a possibility, I guess, but I think it's a stretch to believe that far without knowing anything more. Regardless, a refusal to do any sort of investigation/inquiry only lends credence to this. I don't think this one is going away, but we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 As long as the Chinese government is helping him win elections, why would Trudeau care? He can shoot down suspected spy balloons and ban tiktok because that doesn't hurt his interests very much, in fact it gets him support at home for appearing "tough on China". All he cares about is winning and his own power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, suds said: With democracies, decisions should be made by elected officials. But then again, sometimes they need a bit of a shove. 😉 When has this government cared about ethics? The elected officials aren't doing their jobs, following their oaths or the law. So yeah they need others to keep them in check. CSIS comes to the government with warnings that an MP candidate is in bed with China and they don't care. The Liberals don't care about our democracy, they just want to increase their power. The ethics commissioner just came out and said there's been so many ethics violations with members of this government that he recommends all senior Liberals take mandatory ethics training. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal-ethics-commissioner-finds-another-liberal-broke-ethics-laws-calls-for-mandatory-training-for-all-mps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 The Trudeau government is the leftwing version of the Trump admin: Run by narcissistic leaders, totally unethical, don't care about democracy, in bed with foreign enemy regimes who help them try to win elections and don't give a crap about election interference if it helps their own interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 One news article says this issue could be the one thing that causes the collapse of Trudeau and the Liberals. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Is the people that vote for the liberals even concerned about interference ? and if not what are your concerns ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 This is serious and it isn’t going away. Concern about it is not confined to Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said: This is serious and it isn’t going away. Concern about it is not confined to Conservatives. I would hope so, but they don't seem to be very vocal here... lets wait and see on the next poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) 19 hours ago, West said: Eric Swallwell in the US gets caught porking Chinese spy Fang Fang Trudeaus Liberals allow China to buy their elections. What is it with leftist parties and the Chinese? The PRC is looking for vulnerabilities in every country in the world and their search won’t be confined to ethnic Chinese either. Obviously, the Liberals have serious issues already but no party should consider itself immune. Any politician with a financial or personal problem is a potential target. Edited February 28 by SpankyMcFarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 (edited) People of Chinese ethnicity need to be prominent among the spokespeople on this scandal. It is in no way an anti-Chinese effort by the deep state. The PRC probably hates nobody more than Michael Chong in Canada and he is widely respected across parties as a distinguished parliamentarian. I’d like to see him addressing this matter more often. He’s not the sort of guy anybody can easily dismiss, even the PM. Edited February 28 by SpankyMcFarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 Tiktok sent to the cloak room . . . . bad tiktok! Justin must have taken a testosterone pill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Share Posted February 28 21 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: This is serious and it isn’t going away. Concern about it is not confined to Conservatives. You wouldn't know it from listening to the usual suspects. 19 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I would hope so, but they don't seem to be very vocal here... lets wait and see on the next poll. Why can't stories as like this lead to louder calls for more and more penetrating transparency into our governance from ordinary people? It's because the parties and politicians we should be expecting the calls from the loudest would have to submit to the same measures. I doubt there's a government or politician on the planet that isn't in agreement that there's probably already way too much transparency hindering and hampering them. AFAIC ordinary citizens have no business whatsoever supporting or slagging one another ideologically until they're all willing to put the interests of the governed first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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