Moonlight Graham Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 This is insane. Canadian Parliament has been compromised by Chinese state agents, and our PM has ignored CSIS warnings: https://globalnews.ca/news/9504291/liberals-csis-warning-2019-election-candidate-chinese-interference/ Quote Three weeks before Canada’s 2019 federal election, national security officials allegedly gave an urgent, classified briefing to senior aides from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office, warning them that one of their candidates was part of a Chinese foreign interference network. ... National security officials also allege that Dong, now a sitting MP re-elected in 2021, is one of at least 11 Toronto-area riding candidates allegedly supported by Beijing in the 2019 contest. Sources say the service also believes Dong is a witting affiliate in China’s election interference networks. Three sources with knowledge of the investigation said Dong emerged as a successor to MP Geng Tan as the 2019 Liberal candidate in ways the service found suspicious... CSIS allegedly had intelligence that Beijing preferred Han Dong to Tan. “The Consulate was not pleased with Geng Tan’s performance,” a national security official aware of the service’s investigation told Global News. And Chinese election tampering: Quote CSIS was also allegedly concerned about the Liberal Party’s nomination process. Among other irregularities observed in the September 2019 contest, sources say, was that Chinese international students with fake addresses were allegedly bussed into the riding and coerced to vote in Dong’s favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Contrarian Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) Also from Global News: Canada needs a public inquiry into allegations of Chinese election interference, Canada's former spymaster says. Speaking in an interview with The West Block‘s Mercedes Stephenson, Richard Fadden, the former head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and former national security advisor to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, said he “can’t see any compelling reason not to hold a public inquiry." Edited February 26 by Contrarian 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 27 Author Report Share Posted February 27 CSIS-suspected Chinese foreign agents have been accusing people of racism for their accusations. Also, Trudeau himself and now this gem have been trying to label people bringing up foreign interference issues as using "Trump-style tactics" in order to shut people down. So shameful: Quote At a recent House of Commons committee meeting, Liberal MP Jennifer O’Connell accused Conservative MPs of deploying “Trump-type tactics” by asking questions about foreign interference. https://globalnews.ca/news/9512768/justin-trudeau-china-election-interference-public-inquiry/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: as using "Trump-style tactics" In this case, is a terrible argument to use. "Trump-style tactics" I suggest Jennifer O’Connell listens to CSIS, especially the former head of the agency, which wants a public inquiry. Is he deploying "Trump tactics" too? Edited February 27 by Contrarian grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Nobody cares. It's been a couple of days now and the mainstream media is like "Ho hum". Hardly a thing about this is appearing anywhere. A Liberal MP is, according to CSIS, a knowing agent of a hostile foreign power that puts Muslims in concentration camps. And the media doesn't care. But oh let a couple of Tory MPs do a picture with a European MEP whose party is against immigration and anti-Islam and it's headline news from coast to coast with breathless outrage being voiced on all the political panels. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, I am Groot said: It's been a couple of days now and the mainstream media is like "Ho hum". Not the case. I am following the news daily, and daily, one of the main: The Globe and Mail are talking against the government's approach towards the CCP and starting a public inquiry, daily again. Number 1 article. The news with the pictures is fresh, today, this morning, of course, it will get publicity. Even now, if you go on the website of The Globe you will see anti-CCP articles and a push to start an inquiry. Look, just now, the main article, the picture Conservative one is second: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-china-election-interference-public-inquiry/ Edited February 27 by Contrarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Liberals love and admire the Communist Party in China so I don't think this will move the needle. It's crazy how many Communist lovers are down east. Too bad they control federal elections and are bought off by China 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: Nobody cares. It's been a couple of days now and the mainstream media is like "Ho hum". Hardly a thing about this is appearing anywhere. A Liberal MP is, according to CSIS, a knowing agent of a hostile foreign power that puts Muslims in concentration camps. And the media doesn't care. I don't think that's true. I think this is going to blow up. Trudeau's former advisors are now coming out in favor of a non-partisan inquiry (a former CSIS director among them) and if they keep trying to sweep this under the rug, it's only going to get worse. As for the media not caring, the Globe and Mail has been running daily stories on this all week, and none of them are Trudeau-friendly. This is actually a real and tangible issue that (IMO) transcends the regular culture war bullshit that we're constantly arguing about. I think we can all agree that nobody here wants Chinese influence in our democratic process, and if I was Pierre Poilievre I would push and push and push on this. If he can keep the mad-dog rhetoric down and just keep asking questions and bringing this up, I can see this ending the Trudeau era. Jaghmeet Singh wants this inquiry now - I think he sees blood in the water too. Edited February 27 by Moonbox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: I don' think that's true. I think this is going to blow up. Trudeau's former advisors are now coming out in favor of a non-partisan inquiry (a former CSIS director among them) and if they keep trying to sweep this under the rug, it's only going to get worse. As for the media not caring, the Globe and Mail has been running daily stories on this all week, and none of them are Trudeau-friendly. This is actually a real and tangible issue that (IMO) transcends the regular culture war bullshit that we're constantly arguing about. I think we can all agree that nobody here wants Chinese influence in our democratic process, and if I was Pierre Poilievre I would push and push and push on this. If he can keep the mad-dog rhetoric down and just keep asking questions and bringing this up, I can see this ending the Trudeau era. Jaghmeet Signh wants this inquiry now too. Well considering you called me a CoNSpiracY TheoRIst for pointing out the OBVIOUS about a year ago regarding Trudeaus love for China... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Down the hill, all together now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, myata said: Down the hill, If you follow masked people as in the below picture, for sure is down the hill. You know them, "The Ungovernable" in the Anarchist Movement: Edited February 27 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 14 hours ago, Contrarian said: Not the case. I am following the news daily, and daily, one of the main: The Globe and Mail are talking against the government's The Globe broke the story. Of course they're covering it. And Global joined in with their own source last week. But who else is showing any interest other than a couple of Postmedia columnists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: The Globe broke the story. Of course they're covering it. And Global joined in with their own source last week. But who else is showing any interest other than a couple of Postmedia columnists? The CBC is silent in the last 2 days. I will give you that. The last article that they run is: Leaks alleging China interfered in 2021 election have 'inaccuracies,' Trudeau says So, in a way they were downplaying the story. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-says-leaks-interfernece-2021-election-innacurate-1.6758179 It seems, there are some CSIS members which had enough on the lack of action amongst the politicians, and that working with The Globe and Mail, was found to be the better option. 😎 Clearly, is working, as the pressure is intensifying daily, with more and more former advisers stepping up and saying they want a public inquiry now. Edited February 27 by Contrarian edit design 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) I don't think anyone can seriously argue that CBC isn't a Liberal mouthpiece. It's been that way for decades, and IIRC it was censured by some ombudsman or whatever for demonstrating a clearly partisan Liberal bias, way back in mid-2000's. Edited February 27 by Moonbox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I don't think anyone can seriously argue that CBC isn't a Liberal mouthpiece. Not always either. The McKinsey contract story was delivered by them. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mckinsey-immigration-consulting-contracts-trudeau-1.6703626 Edited February 27 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Pretty small potatoes relatively speaking. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Just now, Moonbox said: Pretty small potatoes relatively speaking. 🤷♂️ McKinsey is small potatoes? As a result of that investigation, Auditor general to probe federal government contracts with McKinsey which even the National Post is reporting on: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/auditor-general-to-probe-federal-government-contracts-with-mckinsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Compared to Chinese interference in our elections? Yes. Small potatoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 36 minutes ago, Contrarian said: they want a public inquiry now In Canada there can be nothing like that, because the government controls the process one way or another, there's simply no genuinely independent mechanisms of government accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Compared to Chinese interference in our elections? Yes. Small potatoes. You don't know that for sure, we will have to wait for the investigation, won't we? but the fact that a company has that much influence on immigration policy without public knowledge and more, is something serious. This idea of "Shadow Governments", even if it's CCP-type politicians or some company like McKinsey, myself anyways, don't view them as small potatoes. Edited February 27 by Contrarian edit design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 16 hours ago, Moonbox said: Jaghmeet Singh wants this inquiry now - I think he sees blood in the water too Well that's the biggest factor. Jaggers has been looking for a 'safe' wedge issue to distinguish himself as NOT being the liberals butt boy in the house, and if he senses this might well be it then he might just jump on the bandwagon and demand inquiries or other actions. It could be a powerful issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 I think it is. I’d like to know more about this. Trudeau just trying to sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away makes me suspicious. Either he assumes Canadians are all too ignorant or distracted to care, or he’s worried there’s actually something to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well that's the biggest factor. Jagmeet has been looking for a 'safe' wedge issue to distinguish himself as NOT being the Liberals butt boy in the house, and if he senses this might well be it then he might just jump on the bandwagon and demand inquiries or other actions. It could be a powerful issue. Jagmeet Singh has had multiple chances to act like a leader but has 'turned the other cheek' on his NDP and the citizens of any stripe in Canada. He's not going to jump out of his sh!t-eating character for any one or anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 There's a video in this cbc article where a reporter asks Trudeau twice if he can confirm if he was informed by CSIS of the allegations. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-denies-csis-rescind-nomination-1.6761942 He first responds by inferring the allegations are somehow connected to anti-Chinese racism, and on both questions he dodges and doesn't answer the question. The fact that he dodges & doesn't deny or confirm it is an admission that he was indeed warned by CSIS. He says he also continues to support the MP and denies he is disloyal to Canada in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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