Should Buttigieg resign?

[Contrarian]

Pete Buttigieg is facing an investigation from House Republicans over the Biden administration's response to Norfolk Southern's toxic freight train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio – with lawmakers in his own party also questioning his department’s response.

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/25/buttigieg-faces-congressional-scrutiny-over-ohio-derailment

There are some media on the <--- left, which are arguing the opposite which is: Republicans need to do something about it. 

MSNBC is one, which says: "Why Pete Buttigieg isn't the villain in the East Palestine crash"

Should Pete Buttigieg resign as Secretary of DOT? 

Edited February 26 by Contrarian

[Deluge]

So the Donald made Buttigieg look like an insensitive a$$hole. At least he had the presence of mind to get off his ass and make a trip out there as well. 

I say good for Pete Buttigieg! 

[Contrarian]

A lot of these politicians don't understand that the job is not about them. 

In Ancient Greek the word was "diakonos".

*** It is derived from the ancient Greek word διάκονος (diakonos), which referred to a servant or helper, and is still used in modern Greek to describe a government minister or official.

• The scandal is too big and he can not help this administration any longer. That is my opinion on this. 

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[NYLefty]

Buttigieg resign, yea right, sounds like more Republican Hokum 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Pete Buttigieg is facing an investigation from House Republicans over the Biden administration's response to Norfolk Southern's toxic freight train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio – with lawmakers in his own party also questioning his department’s response.

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/25/buttigieg-faces-congressional-scrutiny-over-ohio-derailment

There are some media on the <--- left, which are arguing the opposite which is: Republicans need to do something about it. 

MSNBC is one, which says: "Why Pete Buttigieg isn't the villain in the East Palestine crash"

Should Pete Buttigieg resign as Secretary of DOT? 

Do you believe the SoT has to run out and visit EVERY train derailment?

Meanwhile are you giving a complete PASS to Trump for rescinding rail safety regulations put in place by Obama?

[Contrarian]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you believe the SoT has to run out and visit EVERY train derailment?

Meanwhile are you giving a complete PASS to Trump for rescinding rail safety regulations put in place by Obama?

Who is giving a complete pass to Trump? 

I am talking about Buttigieg and the optics that this has for the voter right now in 2023, going into 2024. 

Serious question, do you think he should stay on? Will this help the Biden administration towards re-election? 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Who is giving a complete pass to Trump? 

I am talking about Buttigieg and the optics that this has for the voter right now in 2023, going into 2024. 

Serious question, do you think he should stay on? Will this help the Biden administration towards re-election? 

I don't think it will make ANY difference. The SoT seldom, if ever, visits the site of a train derailment.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Who is giving a complete pass to Trump? 

I am talking about Buttigieg and the optics that this has for the voter right now in 2023, going into 2024. 

Serious question, do you think he should stay on? Will this help the Biden administration towards re-election? 

IMO, this has nothing at all to do with the Biden administration. American voters care about the Secretary of Transportation about as much as we care about the Canadian prime minister. I would bet you money no one on this board can name a single past SoT who was in office during a major train derailment--or perhaps name one at all. And the residents here are more interested in politics than the average cost.

People aren't going to not vote for Biden because Republicans have cooked up some silly criticisms of the SoT.

I think this is a lot more about laying groundwork in case Biden doesn't run. If they can tag Mayor Pete with something now it weakens him as a Biden alternative. "If he can't run transportation, how can he run the country?" Not that it actually has anything to do with him, but that will be the refrain.

Edited February 26 by Hodad

[Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

IMO, this has nothing at all to do with the Biden administration. American voters care about the Secretary of Transportation about as much as we care about the Canadian prime minister. I would bet you money no one on this board can name a single past SoT who was in office during a major train derailment--or perhaps name one at all. And the residents here are more interested in politics than the average cost.

People aren't going to not vote for Biden because Republicans have cooked up some silly criticisms of the SoT.

I think this is a lot more about laying groundwork in case Biden doesn't run. If they can tag Mayor Pete with something now it weakens him as a Biden alternative. "If he can't run transportation, how can he run the country?" 

So you don't think when Biden will debate DeSantis or Trump, they will not bring up the fact that someone on his team has this disaster on his record? Is about timing, I am not saying he is the villain, but politically, isn't better for him to exit? 

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

So you don't think when Biden will debate DeSantis or Trump, they will not bring up the fact that someone on his team has this disaster on his record? Is about timing, I am not saying he is the villain, but politically, isn't better for him to exit? 

No, I don't expect they will. I mean, maybe as filler, but "Your secretary is transportation stinks" just doesn't have much political value. They'll be trying to land body blows, not nipple flicks. And I don't think Trump would be particularly interested in talking about deregulation on the matter.

[Contrarian]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, I don't expect they will. I mean, maybe as filler, but "Your secretary is transportation stinks" just doesn't have much political value. They'll be trying to land body blows, not nipple flicks. And I don't think Trump would be particularly interested in talking about deregulation on the matter.

More on the matter: 

• Multiple House committees are gaming out aggressive hearings 0n the Biden administration's response to the toxic train wreck in Ohio — including how the government supervises giant rail companies, Axios has learned.

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/26/house-gop-plans-ohio-derailment-hearings

Edited February 26 by Contrarian

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, Contrarian said:

More on the matter: 

• Multiple House committees are gaming out aggressive hearings 0n the Biden administration's response to the toxic train wreck in Ohio — including how the government supervises giant rail companies, Axios has learned.

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/26/house-gop-plans-ohio-derailment-hearings

I doubt they will do anything about those hearings cause Trump's rescission of the Obama train safety regulations will CERTAINLY COME UP and make them ALL LOOK BAD. 

Trump’s Ohio Visit Puts Spotlight on Rail-Safety Rules He Ended

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The visit to the former battleground state that Trump easily won twice is also casting light on one of the former president’s regulatory rollbacks: The repeal of new braking requirements for certain trains hauling highly hazardous freight put in place by the Obama administration.

The braking requirement, put in place in 2015 as part of a suite of new safety rules following a number of fiery high-profile crude oil train derailments, required railroads to install more responsive electronic braking systems on trains carrying hazardous materials. 

 

Edited February 27 by robosmith

[Rebound]

Screw Ohio.

They consistently vote for Republicans who deregulate everything and then whine that the federal government is to blame when an unregulated industry harms them.  
 

Boo-Fricking-Hoo

[Infidel Dog]

The question is "Should Pete Buttigieg resign?"

Why are we pretending that would just be about his laziness in addressing a train derailment in East Palestine Ohio. It wasn't just a derailment there was a controlled explosion of dangerous chemicals blasted into the atmosphere. Fish are dying. People are claiming they're getting sick.

Where did the left's BS, so-called concern for the environment go on this one?

 

Edited February 27 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Also why are we claiming this is the only critique that's ever been laid at the feet Buttigieg.

Remember the supply chain shortage when ships were lined up in harbors because they couldn't offload their cargoes? As I recall the main cause of that was Democrat mandates and lockdowns during the Covid scamdemic.

And while that was going on Pete took a maternity leave. Earlier Pete and his significant other had adopted twins. Now if you worship at the sainted media of Prog at CNN and MSNBC they'll tell you this was a good thing. The newly discovered feels of the priority of family when convenient and such.

But hang on. Wasn't part of the supply chain shortage a crisis in the supply of baby formula? So everybody else's child should starve so the head of Department of Transportation can spend some time with his newly adopted twins? I don't care if one of them was on a ventilator (which is one of the questionable claims to excuse his incompetence.)

[Infidel Dog]

And then there was the looming rail shortage when Mayor Pete decided to take a vacation.

Or was that during the Southwest Airlines crisis of delays and cancellations or the time some guy shut the whole American airline system down by mistakenly pushing the wrong button on what's been described as vintage equipment?

Not sure. I do remember Pete pretending he was still in the country while having a video shoot at the airport where he was waiting to step on the plane to go on his vacation.

He was claiming the government had the Southwest Airlines debacle under control with hard scrap policies but really all they were doing was spending billions of Covid dollars to keep the Airline staffed.

Why was this guy even hired? He had no experience with much of anything. He was the mayor of some hick burg in Indiana or something but the residents claim he couldn't even fix the potholes. Tucker flamed him a good burn saying he couldn't even fix a flat tire on a bet.

He was a "diversity" hire.

[Infidel Dog]

Also he's another leftist climate hypocrite. Taking private jet after private jet for stuff like flying up to Montreal to accept some sort of award for being such an important gay guy or something like that.

This while preaching the climate orthodoxy about how it's the peons' moral responsibility to prioritize the halt of the existential crisis of what the new religion calls "climate change." 

That's the great thing about being a cult leader. You get to preach the dogma without following it. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Also why are we claiming this is the only critique that's ever been laid at the feet Buttigieg.

Remember the supply chain shortage when ships were lined up in harbors because they couldn't offload their cargoes? As I recall the main cause of that was Democrat mandates and lockdowns during the Covid scamdemic.

And while that was going on Pete took a maternity leave. Earlier Pete and his significant other had adopted twins. Now if you worship at the sainted media of Prog at CNN and MSNBC they'll tell you this was a good thing. The newly discovered feels of the priority of family when convenient and such.

But hang on. Wasn't part of the supply chain shortage a crisis in the supply of baby formula? So everybody else's child should starve so the head of Department of Transportation can spend some time with his newly adopted twins? I don't care if one of them was on a ventilator (which is one of the questionable claims to excuse his incompetence.)

Transportation had NOTHING TO DO with the contamination that shutdown the baby formula plant.

You really had to stretch hard to make that one up.

[Contrarian]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Transportation had NOTHING TO DO with the contamination that shutdown the baby formula plant.

You really had to stretch hard to make that one up.

Let me ask you a direct question: Do you think keeping Buttigieg on with all the scandals and bad publicity he is getting now is good for the Biden administration?

I already heard from @Hodad that he thinks, this is just a fluke, are you kidding? Trolling Trump will seize on this on the stage and talk non-stop about it. 

Do I not understand American politics enough? Where I am going wrong here? 

[Hodad]

9 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Do I not understand American politics enough? Where I am going wrong here? 

IMO, I think that's likely the case. If you grabbed 10 random Americans and asked them who the current Secretary of Transportation is, even with the current media coverage, 9-10 of them won't be able to answer. This is not a scientific poll, just my take. And the ones who do know who holds the position currently aren't likely to blame him for an overheated wheel bearing on a privately owned train. 

There's just not much "there" there, and it'll have even less significance in 2 years. It'll be a footnote.

[Contrarian]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

IMO, I think that's likely the case. If you grabbed 10 random Americans and asked them who the current Secretary of Transportation is, even with the current media coverage, 9-10 of them won't be able to answer. This is not a scientific poll, just my take. And the ones who do know who holds the position currently aren't likely to blame him for an overheated wheel bearing on a privately owned train. 

There's just not much "there" there, and it'll have even less significance in 2 years. It'll be a footnote.

In the Axios article, members of his own party are questioning his activity? Does that matter? or is just internal?

You are concluding that in the eyes of the electorate for voting purposes, it does not matter. 

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[robosmith]

28 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

In the Axios article, members of his own party are questioning his activity? Does that matter? or is just internal?

You are concluding that in the eyes of the electorate for voting purposes, it does not matter. 

It MIGHT matter in E. Palestine, OH, but since that seems to be a very red county, they are not likely to vote for Biden anyway.

Can you name the last time ANY SoT visited the site of a train derailment (without googling it)?

[Contrarian]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Can you name the last time ANY SoT visited the site of a train derailment (without googling it)?

I won't google it. But that is irrelevant, Trolling Trump seized on the moment and the optics are all it matters. 

If you only watch MSNBC, of course, you would think is no big deal.

Starting also to think DeSantis does not have the "Cojones" to defeat Trump. DT hasn't even started the social media machine where the mob really is.

So seeing how very possible will be Biden vs Trump, you would think you want to keep your team without scandals on their records. People are upset about this train derailment. Even Bill Clinton had to fire/swap top people for his greater agenda. I think George Stephanopoulos was one. 

Edited February 27 by Contrarian

[Hodad]

18 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

In the Axios article, members of his own party are questioning his activity? Does that matter? or is just internal?

You are concluding that in the eyes of the electorate for voting purposes, it does not matter. 

Correct, I think whether he stays or goes will matter very little to voters. In fact, if he were to leave, most would have no idea that he had left. And if in a debate scenario the opposition doesn't have something more potent to talk about than this, they aren't a serious threat anyway. A debate stage is a great place to remind voters of issues that are important to them, and a poor place to educate voters about issues that aren't on their radar.

As for members of his party, I think they are legit interested in more regulation to reduce/prevent such catastrophes. They certainly wouldn't make it a campaign issue. 

 

 

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Also why are we claiming this is the only critique that's ever been laid at the feet Buttigieg.

Remember the supply chain shortage when ships were lined up in harbors because they couldn't offload their cargoes? As I recall the main cause of that was Democrat mandates and lockdowns during the Covid scamdemic.

And while that was going on Pete took a maternity leave. Earlier Pete and his significant other had adopted twins. Now if you worship at the sainted media of Prog at CNN and MSNBC they'll tell you this was a good thing. The newly discovered feels of the priority of family when convenient and such.

But hang on. Wasn't part of the supply chain shortage a crisis in the supply of baby formula? So everybody else's child should starve so the head of Department of Transportation can spend some time with his newly adopted twins? I don't care if one of them was on a ventilator (which is one of the questionable claims to excuse his incompetence.)

This is probably more complicated than you can understand, but I’ll step you through very slowly so you can figure things out…

When two gay men have twins, it means they adopted them.  Maybe you can’t understand that? Those babies would presumably be gulping down infant formula one way or another, and it has nothing to do with Transportation anyway.