Fat Trudeau becomes unglued when a Canadian doesn't support his corrupt war in Ukraine

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the Russians are revanchist against America for the Soviet self inflicted defeat in the Cold War

Ukraine is just a proxy

the front line is not in Europe, it is over the Pole

Canada is the no man's land between the adversaries

If that happens we're all likely toast.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And have the much better armed united states who shares a land border with us as our enemy instead?

I can safely rule out a successful military career for you

Now why would that happen?

[Dougie93]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...can't say I like that one.

it none the less perfectly articulates my generational ethos

you'd better live life to the fullest, right now

as on the brink of thermonuclear war, there might not be a tomorrow

[Dougie93]

48 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If that happens we're all likely toast.

but avoiding an interpolar thermonuclear exchange is not as simple as merely capitulating in the face of it

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it none the less perfectly articulates my generational ethos

you'd better live life to the fullest, right now

as on the brink of thermonuclear war, there might not be a tomorrow

Doug...I can't. My sense of respect and honor won't allow me to live my life that way. I only pray I instill enough respect and honor in my kids, to not engage in this line of thinking.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but avoiding an interpolar thermonuclear exchange is not as simple as merely capitulating in the face of it

Toast is toast Doug. Regardless of the side you choose. Everyone loses.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Now why would that happen?

If we were part of russia which is the mortal enemy and right on their doorstep?

I dunno - ask cuba.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but avoiding an interpolar thermonuclear exchange is not as simple as merely capitulating in the face of it

truer words were never spoken.

Living in fear of the bad guys rarely convinces them to leave you alone,

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If we were part of russia which is the mortal enemy and right on their doorstep?

I dunno - ask cuba.

Mortal enemy...

What exactly is the goal here? Is it to "crush Russia"? To maintain US Petro-Bucks? What's the goal?

[CdnFox]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Mortal enemy...

What exactly is the goal here? Is it to "crush Russia"? To maintain US Petro-Bucks? What's the goal?

Well you'd have to ask russia - they're the more belligerent of the two. I certainly can't explain the minds of leaders like putin or Khrushchev.

But regardless of their reasoning, it's a thing.  So pretending it's not is a good way to get killed.

If we were an ally of russia as you have proposed  we'd be sitting on the doorstep of a hostile population 10 times our size with the strongest military in the world and very limited trade (so we'd also be poor) and our big "ally" would be so weak the ukrainians can kick their ass.

I don't know why you believe that's a good idea. If you're that fond of russian culture and such and believe they're in the right here then you probably should consider emmigrating to one of their many many regions. I'm sure you can find one to your liking. Russian is a pretty easy language to learn.

 

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well you'd have to ask russia - they're the more belligerent of the two. I certainly can't explain the minds of leaders like putin or Khrushchev.

But regardless of their reasoning, it's a thing.  So pretending it's not is a good way to get killed.

If we were an ally of russia as you have proposed  we'd be sitting on the doorstep of a hostile population 10 times our size with the strongest military in the world and very limited trade (so we'd also be poor) and our big "ally" would be so weak the ukrainians can kick their ass.

I don't know why you believe that's a good idea. If you're that fond of russian culture and such and believe they're in the right here then you probably should consider emmigrating to one of their many many regions. I'm sure you can find one to your liking. Russian is a pretty easy language to learn.

 

WTF???

If all the pretense were dropped, a military alliance between the USA and Russia would make that alliance the top of the food chain globally. Both militarily and economically. Not even the Chinese could stand up against it.

And please try not being such a dolt. You know your accusations are just a skirt to hide behind. Grow up and discuss geo-politics...or go whine with the Libbies.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

WTF???

Sorry - literacy issue you're having  or is it tourettes?

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If all the pretense were dropped, a military alliance between the USA and Russia would make that alliance the top of the food chain globally. Both militarily and economically. Not even the Chinese could stand up against it.

China can't really stand against either of them right now.  But - there are fundimental differences in the societies that make such a thing very very very difficult. Lets not forget that it was tried pretty agressively under ole' splotch-head.  The russian gov't tried to take a more concillatory role in the world affairs and the wall came  down and so on, but that didn't last and it's not what the russian people wanted.

So no sense wishing for things we can't have. Obviously a peaceful world focused on making our lives better and more fulfilled is a superior choice  - but it's not what mankind is going to support. 

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And please try not being such a dolt. You know your accusations are just a skirt to hide behind. Grow up and discuss geo-politics...or go whine with the Libbies.

Soooo in other words you feel that by calling me names you can convince me i should be nicer to you. Well - i guess that's ONE way of adverizing your low IQ.

Rereading my post i don't see what the hell even gave you offense. I didn't "accuse" you of anything and i wasn't rude.

I said you'd have to ask russia for the answer to your question (true) and it is what it is (true) and i don't know why you're so pro russian and suggesting we should be their ally instead of the us (true).  I suggested if you prefer their culture you should move there and considering you are constantly bashing the us and our involvement with them that is a reasonable thing to suggest.

So  please remove your head from your ass area and if you can't take a civil conversation without having a hissy fit when your own position is pointed out then go play with the other children you mindless drone.  YOU are the one dragging it to insults, Comrade.  You can't even be civil in a discussion yet you're lameting how people can't get along as countries. Freak.

[Nefarious Banana]

ExFlyer writing your closing statements for you?

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry - literacy issue you're having  or is it tourettes?

China can't really stand against either of them right now.  But - there are fundimental differences in the societies that make such a thing very very very difficult. Lets not forget that it was tried pretty agressively under ole' splotch-head.  The russian gov't tried to take a more concillatory role in the world affairs and the wall came  down and so on, but that didn't last and it's not what the russian people wanted.

So no sense wishing for things we can't have. Obviously a peaceful world focused on making our lives better and more fulfilled is a superior choice  - but it's not what mankind is going to support. 

Soooo in other words you feel that by calling me names you can convince me i should be nicer to you. Well - i guess that's ONE way of adverizing your low IQ.

Rereading my post i don't see what the hell even gave you offense. I didn't "accuse" you of anything and i wasn't rude.

I said you'd have to ask russia for the answer to your question (true) and it is what it is (true) and i don't know why you're so pro russian and suggesting we should be their ally instead of the us (true).  I suggested if you prefer their culture you should move there and considering you are constantly bashing the us and our involvement with them that is a reasonable thing to suggest.

So  please remove your head from your ass area and if you can't take a civil conversation without having a hissy fit when your own position is pointed out then go play with the other children you mindless drone.  YOU are the one dragging it to insults, Comrade.  You can't even be civil in a discussion yet you're lameting how people can't get along as countries. Freak.

 

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If you're that fond of russian culture and such and believe they're in the right here then you probably should consider emmigrating to one of their many many regions. I'm sure you can find one to your liking. Russian is a pretty easy language to learn.

Don't be a dolt.

Now...You claim such an alliance is impossible. You site cultural differences. What makes you think the Russian people wouldn't jump at an opportunity to jointly rule the world with America?

From what I've seen, they just might.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

 

Don't be a dolt.r

AHhh again with your learned reasoned discourse i see. Still telling people not to be insulting by insulting them.  Your parents must be so proud!

So we'll add 'hypocrite' to your list of personality defects as well i guess.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Now...You claim such an alliance is impossible. You site cultural differences. What makes you think the Russian people wouldn't jump at an opportunity to jointly rule the world with America?

The fact that they didn't. Which i pointed out.  I realize you get distracted while you're busy insulting people who havent insulted you yet but surely you can remember something that was said just a post or two ago.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

From what I've seen, they just might.

They absolutely won't, they didn't, and lets be honest - you probably haven't seen ANYTHING that suggests otherwise.

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Toast is toast Doug. Regardless of the side you choose. Everyone loses.

but giving in to nuclear blackmail actually moves you incrementally closer to the thermonuclear exhange

the only thing preventing the war is deterrence

so you cannot undermine your deterrence posture, that does not make you safer, quite the opposite

 

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but giving in to nuclear blackmail actually moves you incrementally closer to the thermonuclear exhange

the only thing preventing the war is deterrence

so you cannot undermine your deterrence posture, that does not make you safer, quite the opposite

 

Nor should anyone have to.

Again...Ukraine is not a signatory.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but giving in to nuclear blackmail actually moves you incrementally closer to the thermonuclear exhange

the only thing preventing the war is deterrence

so you cannot undermine your deterrence posture, that does not make you safer, quite the opposite

As a kid I always judged presidents by their likelihood of starting a nuclear war, and I never felt like we got very close when Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, or Trump were president. Not even close. It was never a topic like "The world has gotten so out of whack that world leaders are talking about it."

Over the years I completely drifted away from that line of thinking, and now... C'mon, mannn???

If Biden got hit by a bus tomorrow I'd instantly feel safer. Kamala knows how to deal with Putin, she's been satisfying old men for decades.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Nor should anyone have to.

Again...Ukraine is not a signatory.

Russia & NATO are in a permanent nuclear standoff, worldwide

Ukraine is a proxy war now, there's no backing down once it has gone this far

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

As a kid I always judged presidents by their likelihood of starting a nuclear war, and I never felt like we got very close when Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, or Trump were president. Not even close. It was never a topic like "The world has gotten so out of whack that world leaders are talking about it."

Over the years I completely drifted away from that line of thinking, and now... C'mon, mannn???

If Biden got hit by a bus tomorrow I'd instantly feel safer. Kamala knows how to deal with Putin, she's been satisfying old men for decades.

well, I would say JFK was one of the most military experienced Presidents

Navy officer, WWII decorated combat veteran, WIA

he was also a student of military history & strategy

and yet JFK made the mistake of making too many concessions

Khrushchev got the wrong idea about what the Soviets could get away with therein

next thing you know, the world was at DEFCON 2 in just a matter of days

Edited March 9 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

well, I would say JFK was one of the most military experienced Presidents

Navy officer, WWII decorated combat veteran, WIA

he was also a student of military history & strategy

and yet JFK made the mistake of making too many concessions

Khrushchev got the wrong idea about what the Soviets could get away with therein

next thing you know, the world is DEFCON 2 in just a matter of days

Putin made the same mistakes as Kennedy did. 

NATO has been creeping and creeping in for decades now.

Ukraine/NATO/Article 5 is the "silos in Cuba" moment for Russia. 

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Putin made the same mistakes as Kennedy did. 

NATO has been creeping and creeping in for decades now.

Ukraine/NATO/Article 5 is the "silos in Cuba" moment for Russia. 

Indeed

although the missiles are not in Ukraine, they are in Deveselu Romania

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Putin made the same mistakes as Kennedy did.

to include Kennedy's mistake of getting bogged down in a land war

when the Cold War was in fact a maritime conflict which can only be resolved at sea

what you are witnessing now, is actually the Russian Domino Theory in action

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed

although the missiles are not in Ukraine, they are in Deveselu Romania

How shitty to live in a country that small and insignificant, and yet be such a high priority for a pre-emptive nuclear strike. 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How shitty to live in a country that small and insignificant, and yet be such a high priority for a pre-emptive nuclear strike. 

the prevailing winds blow east

a thermonuclear strike against Deveselu would rain fallout back down on Crimea

thus, if I am Mr. Ivan, I am taking things to the high seas

I would bring the conflict to a resolution point, by challenging America directly, with my submarines

starting with retaliation for severing the Nord Stream pipeline

by severing the undersea cables which carry the internet

let slip the Belgorod