Fat Trudeau becomes unglued when a Canadian doesn't support his corrupt war in Ukraine

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

their only arm of decision is their navy

if they don't take to the high seas to wage war in their nuclear submarines

they pose no strategic threat

Like Afghanistan, Russia is a graveyard of empires, but on a larger scale.

Hitler and Napolean went there in their primes and brought the full scale of their might against Russia, only to eventually be crushed in open battle. 

In Afghanistan armies die the death of 1,000 cuts. The Afghan armies lose, lose, lose, and yet the people there just remain unmanageable and rebellious. 

In order to 'defeat' the Afghans you'd have to inflict a type of misery on their people that is anathema to our western culture. In that part of the world they don't just subjugate men to gain control, they inflict all sorts of misery on the women: if you don't want your womenfolk raped and beaten on a daily basis, you have no choice but go along with their cult-like BS. 

We freak out about the 'mistreatment' of people like Omar Khadr, we'd never torture young girls to achieve victory. We will never beat them at that game, that's the main reason why victory in Afghanistan is unattainable. 

[Dougie93]

see here, according to the Canadian press

I don't even have a functioning government capable of standing up to the Chinese

so I am out of ideas, as to what I could do about that

NP View: Chinese interference shows Trudeau can't run a functioning government

When the provinces came together in Confederation, a main reason for establishing a national government was to secure the border in order to avoid being absorbed into the United States, as the British took less and less interest in their North American colonies. In 2023, watching the Liberal government mock the very idea of national security with its overtly partisan and dismissive response to Chinese election interference, it isn’t clear the federal government is capable of maintaining a properly functioning country.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trudeau-liberals-mock-the-very-idea-of-national-security

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Like Afghanistan, Russia is a graveyard of empires, but on a larger scale.

Hitler and Napolean went there in their primes and brought the full scale of their might against Russia, only to eventually be crushed in open battle.

America solved the equation with Containment

we don't need Russia for anything

so we just wait them out

big Red White & Blue Machine just rolls on without them

rolling through the country in our trucks

working hard, enjoying life,  arm & arm with pretty girls

yeehaw

[Dougie93]

in terms of arming Ukraine

I'll do that just on principle

I don't believe in domestic gun control

nor international gun control neither

anybody who is want to come across

anybody who is want to flee to the protection of American freedom

I would give you the weapons to defend yourself

even Jesus of Nazareth told his followers to carry swords in the face of Tiberius Caesar

the original Second Amendment

free all the slaves everywhere, Eagle with thunderbolts in talon's grasped

Edited March 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

indeed,  but thankfully, Canada is only a danger to itself

Yes, thank goodness we're only hurting ours.....  hey, wait a minute....

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

we are being dragged into the Chinese Social Credit totalitarianism by the Liberal Communist traitors

but it won't result in a hegemonic war at the strategic level

No, thankfully we do have the vote. If we can just convince ontario that corruption, abuse of authority and selling the country out to foreign powers is a BAD thing.

[Nationalist]

20 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Americans need a war or conflict every 10 years or so to replenish expire or soon to be expires stock (and to teach Americans geography LOL).

It is good for their military supply chain and even more so for their economy.

So it's a war of convenience?

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So it's a war of convenience?

Whoa... I didn't say that

Although the American public now knows where Ukraine is and all those states making weapons and ammunition and war supplies are now working full tilt.

[myata]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

where Ukraine is and all those states making weapons and ammunition and war supplies are now working full tilt

This is about just as clueless as "I brought you peace, look the paper!" with bloodthirsty tyrant sharpening his sabers right behind the back. Except that would have been close to a century ago and some could have learned. But nah. There are two now and with those nukes too but they wouldn't think of doing us any harm, look the paper!

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So it's a war of convenience?

It's phiranas being phiranas. They don't plan or conspire to make a cow fall into their river but they'll be ready if it does.

I recall reading once that every US state has a weapons manufacturing sector.

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

This is about just as clueless as "I brought you peace, look the paper!" with bloodthirsty tyrant sharpening his sabers right behind the back. Except that would have been close to a century ago and some could have learned. But nah. There are two now and with those nukes too but they wouldn't think of doing us any harm, look the paper!

 Why is it clueless?

Do you think that the munitions and weapons factories are not working to restock US supplies that they have given to the Ukraine?

Do you think most Americans were aware or knew anything about in Eastern Europe before the Russians invaded?

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's phiranas being phiranas. They don't plan or conspire to make a cow fall into their river but they'll be ready if it does.

I recall reading once that every US state has a weapons manufacturing sector.

You are close to being correct. Not every state but many of them for sure. And the more the US gives, the more they deplete their own stockpile (often time expired munitions), the factories are workings to restock. This is good for their economy.

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, myata said:

This is about just as clueless as "I brought you peace, look the paper!" with bloodthirsty tyrant sharpening his sabers right behind the back. Except that would have been close to a century ago and some could have learned. But nah. There are two now and with those nukes too but they wouldn't think of doing us any harm, look the paper!

"everything is not Munich, and even Munich wasn't Munich"  ~ Professor Stephen Kotkin

the main event which incited the declaration of war in Poland, was not actually Munich

and in fairness to Chamberlain, despite his public pronouncement, behind the scenes he was preparing for war

Chamberlain ordered a mobilization of British war production, even as he declared peace being at hand

the main event however,  which incited war over Poland, was the Pact of Steel

Mussolini & Hitler had been adversaries, the Fascists & National Socialists started off as rivals

then Mussolini decided he had to choose sides, he had to flip to the National Socialist side

this then brought Hitler and the German navy into the Mediterranean

 immediately threatening the Suez Canal, and the British & French Empires in the Far East beyond

this is when Britain & France decided that they had to declare war, at the next available opportunity

that opportunity came by way of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

wherein Stalin suckered Hitler into invading Poland while the Soviets actually held back for a week

in the hopes that Britain, France & Germany would all go to war, exhausting themselves

which Stalin thought was the opening the Soviets needed to invade Western Europe

everything worked out for Stalin

except for Guderian disobeying orders, driving to the coast with his tanks unsupported

knocking the British & French out of the war on the Continent

at which point Hitler rounded on the Soviets

in a giant pincer manoeuvre to seize the Caucasus oil fields, through Ukraine & the Middle East

Edited March 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[myata]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

in a giant pincer manoeuvre to seize

Nice summary. And it all looked all but identical or at least very close to Putin when he moved his finger on that fateful day in February. Except his armies were nothing like Guderian's. And Ukraine wasn't about to fold like France. But can't deny it, up to that moment it all looked terribly familiar...

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Nice summary. And it all looked all but identical or at least very close to Putin when he moved his finger on that fateful day in February. Except his armies were nothing like Guderian's. And Ukraine wasn't about to fold like France. But can't deny it, up to that moment it all looked terribly familiar...

exactly

the plan was obviously a Guderian like Blitzkrieg to end the war before it could even start

but the Russians simply couldn't pull it off

they don't have the logtistics

they didn't have the air cover

they don't have the highly motivated ultra competent commanders & troops that Hitler had at his disposal

the Russians apparently cannot execute the complexity of a combined arms air land battle lightning war

 

[Dougie93]

the the same time that the Russians do not the Prussian military to punch well above its weight class

they do have Hitler's primary weakness, which was production capacity

the Soviets had the massive production capacity, backed by America, to overwhelm the Germans

now the situation is reversed

the Russians are not the Soviets, the Russians do not produce on anywhere near the same scale

the Russians don't have the American assistance that the Soviets had against the Germans

it is NATO which is the production advantage

the Russians are just using up what's left of the Soviet Cold War arsenal, without being able to replace it

[Dougie93]

furthermore, Putin appears to be making the same catastrophic mistake that Hitler did

which is fighting the conflict as if it is a land war

Karl Doenitz desperately pleaded with Hitler to understand that the whole war is won or lost at sea

never mind the tanks & artillery, it's all about the submarines

the Soviets came to understand this too, in the Cuban Missile Crisis

the Soviets shifted in the 1970's, from a war over the Inner German Border

to a war for all the marbles on the high seas, confronting America directly

the only way to win, is to bring the Americans to the negotiating table, by threatening the CONUS itself

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Whoa... I didn't say that

Although the American public now knows where Ukraine is and all those states making weapons and ammunition and war supplies are now working full tilt.

But Flyer...you did say that.

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Americans need a war or conflict every 10 years or so to replenish expire or soon to be expires stock

And more...

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It is good for their military supply chain and even more so for their economy.

I've brought this possibility up before. We just had a world wide economic beating. Is this war just a method of recovering that economy?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's phiranas being phiranas. They don't plan or conspire to make a cow fall into their river but they'll be ready if it does.

I recall reading once that every US state has a weapons manufacturing sector.

So...it is a war of convenience?

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Is this war just a method of recovering that economy?

it is more that the already unravelling global economy is inciting war on the existing fault lines

the global economy already collapsed in 2008

tho the Fed has been able to prop things up in the near term by exponential money printing

the damage is already done, the Kremlin & Beijing are suffering the effects of unplanned de-Globalization

making them ever more desperately aggressive, even reckless, as their grip on power at home is threatened

[ExFlyer]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

But Flyer...you did say that.

And more...

I've brought this possibility up before. We just had a world wide economic beating. Is this war just a method of recovering that economy?

Yes, and I stand by what I said.

I did not say I agree with your statement of " So...it is a war of convenience? " although I would not argue the statement. It does have merit.

Does the war help the world economy? Probably not but certainly does not hurt the economies of the countries helping Ukraine. (Canada excepted as we do not manufacture, we buy form elsewhere and give to Ukraine)

I did give reasons.

Edited March 5, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So...it is a war of convenience?

the opposite of that

a war of inconvenience

as the technological dislocation of American superiority drives the Russians to desperation

the Soviets could barely keep up with America

the Russians have no chance of maintaining parity with America

the Russians are falling behind at an accelerating pace

the American Military Industrial Complex is unassailable

so the Russians are getting desperate, inciting them into ever more desperate measures

the Russian defences have always been vastly overrated

in actual fact, America could execute a counterforce against them, and they would never see it coming

the Russian options therein, are either to capitulate, or escalate to force the Americans to negotiate

so far tho, the Russian escalation has backfired,

since they cannot leverage America by a land war in Ukraine

quite the opposite, it is a quagmire to America's advantage

[Dougie93]

I'm no fan of Barrack Obama in terms of domestic policy

none the less, he has baited Putin into a trap

Obama disliked Putin immensely, Obama set out to defeat Putin therein

by provocation at the geostrategic level

Ballistic Missile Defence deployed to Romania,

followed up by assisting the overthrow of Russia's puppet government in Kyiv

to bait Putin into a vast overreach, trap him in no man's land

and so far, the Obama Doctrine is working out as planned

the problem is more that Biden is no Obama

Obama was the Hawk, Biden is much more timid, Biden doesn't have the juice

Obama is Mister Vain, only Obama had the self confidence to beat Putin at his own game

because once you adopt the Obama Doctrine

you gotta go all the way, no half measures

no more Mutual Vulnerability

preemptive Counterforce option, Flexible Response, Eagle with thunderbolts in talons grasped

to put the Russians in their place, once & for all time

high risk gambit

Mister Vain was in fact the most Neoconservative POTUS of them all

the ultimate Reagan Democrat : bring the Iron Curtain down, or die trying

thus the Democrats are Cold Warriors once again, by Obama's cult of the personality

Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland, Loyd Austin III, Mark Milley, etcetera

I would suspect that Biden is just a facade

Mister Vain is still trying to run things from behind the scenes, by text message

kicking back on Richard Branson's private island with Michelle,

directing traffic by NSA encrypted smart phone

Edited March 5, 2023 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So...it is a war of convenience?

Well a boost to your economy is always convenient so call it a war of opportunity too.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Whoa... I didn't say that

Although the American public now knows where Ukraine is and all those states making weapons and ammunition and war supplies are now working full tilt.

You may not have said it or meant it but yet it's largely true. This is a VERY convenient war for the us and allies. Putin was completely retarded to start it.

Without wasting a single allied life, the russians are being severely depleted militarily and will be years building back up to where they were before, if they can at all.  THat's pretty convenient.

As you say, the allies get to get rid of aging  weapons systems AND they get to test them in real combat doing so, so they can learn how to make the next ones better and even more effective. They get to see how they can be used effectively in the field. That's VERY convenient. You can't pay for that kind of testing .

The russians are losing credibility globally which will help the US negotiating in foreign areas such as the middle east. That's convenient as well.

This whole thing comes with a package price of a few billion a year - which is NOTHING. The US's defense budget is about 819 billion dollars when it's at peace! Fighting a war and running your enemy into the ground for a few billion dollars is a super mega bargain!  That's not just convenient, it's frugal!

And of course unless russia manages to take all of the ukraine, from now on whatever is left of it will be solidly in the US's corner and control, so the russians have basically handed  a major military and economic asset to the US. The US won't even have to let them join nato to get fully miliary access to the country moving forward. Ukraine sold itself to the us for the arms it needed.

Meanwhile the Russains are selling themselves - to china. Who is going to be a MUCH less pleasant overlord

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You may not have said it or meant it but yet it's largely true. This is a VERY convenient war for the us and allies. Putin was completely retarded to start it.

Without wasting a single allied life, the russians are being severely depleted militarily and will be years building back up to where they were before, if they can at all.  THat's pretty convenient.

As you say, the allies get to get rid of aging  weapons systems AND they get to test them in real combat doing so, so they can learn how to make the next ones better and even more effective. They get to see how they can be used effectively in the field. That's VERY convenient. You can't pay for that kind of testing .

The russians are losing credibility globally which will help the US negotiating in foreign areas such as the middle east. That's convenient as well.

This whole thing comes with a package price of a few billion a year - which is NOTHING. The US's defense budget is about 819 billion dollars when it's at peace! Fighting a war and running your enemy into the ground for a few billion dollars is a super mega bargain!  That's not just convenient, it's frugal!

And of course unless russia manages to take all of the ukraine, from now on whatever is left of it will be solidly in the US's corner and control, so the russians have basically handed  a major military and economic asset to the US. The US won't even have to let them join nato to get fully miliary access to the country moving forward. Ukraine sold itself to the us for the arms it needed.

Meanwhile the Russains are selling themselves - to china. Who is going to be a MUCH less pleasant overlord

 

What I didn't say was that it was a war of convenience. It does have coincidental advantages for some countries though.

I have said many times it is beneficial to many countries, especially the US. I have said that munitions plants are now in full production to replenish the stock the US has government away. The US gave away a lot of what will be time expired stock so, it needs new stuff.