WestCanMan Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Contrarian said: Even drunk, would not do the stuff that you do, pushing Russian disinformation and disrespecting CSIS work. We'll see you in another thread, next time you manipulate information. Today, I will leave you alone as the goal was achieved here and people read again your profile. ? Update: I deleted the first message above, you do not deserve any breaks or explanations, was just trying to throw you a bone but it seems you keep coming. Not to worry, I won once a tennis tournament down South on vacation. Is a great game. ??? You ramble like a lunatic. "Russian disinformation!" ? Yup. Just like Hunter's laptop ? I don't need "breaks" from you, I honestly hope that you get the help you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: The war was started intentionally, by third parties. Wth? WWII was started intentionally by third parties aliens? 1. Where is (and was) Ukraine's border in 2001, 2014 and now, recognized by all the world, including Russia? 2. Where is Russia now? These are facts, plain and obvious. And that's just too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, WestCanMan said: It's only a glaring lie to you because information about Ukrainian war crimes is verboten here. Sigh. 1. Where's Ukraine's border? Where is Russia? 3. How many times has Russia done that since after WWII; and after its collapse in the 1990s? This is as easy as it gets and that's just too bad that we're struggling to figure that one out. 5 hours ago, OftenWrong said: No, but they're gonna make us tear ourselves apart. So we should roll over and suck up. Recognize the true masters of our Universe here. Great progress, there. Are we screwed at last, between Putin-cheering righties and syringe "for your own good" lefties? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, myata said: Wth? WWII was started intentionally by third parties aliens? 1. Where is (and was) Ukraine's border in 2001, 2014 and now, recognized by all the world, including Russia? 2. Where is Russia now? These are facts, plain and obvious. And that's just too bad. I researched the history man, I don't make stuff up. You can go look it up yourself. The war was "provocated" let's say, if that's a word. I know it is... Or something like that. Who did it, how and why? Is another very good question that I will not answer right now. Doesn't matter, you see. If it mattered you would know. It's just that there's people who want war, and would like to to prolong "as long as it takes" meaning essentially it could be years and years. If I were in Ukraine that kind of information would sure shrivel my dick. Does that absolve Putin? No. I didn't say that it did. But sometimes it seems like some of you slavering-jawed war monger types get pretty quickly aroused, so I have to bother to explain myself. Yes, I'm for peace. P E A C E is a possibility, in fact it's got to be inevitable. All I'm saying is, We got to somehow stop the drums of war, ye f*ckin fools Edited February 28, 2023 by OftenWrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yes, I'm for peace. Si vis paceum, para bellum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Si vis paceum, para bellum. I know you're with Big Brother. I already showed you the quote. You don't have to prove you're a jackass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: The war was "provocated" let's say, if that's a word. I know it is... Like Hitler's was "provocated" can research too, research it away! Russia grabbed other people's land for ever, and already in the new times on multiple occasions, Baltics, Moldova, Georgia no less than once per decade. Do research it, right at your fingertips, obvious, documented facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: We got to somehow stop the drums of war, ye f*ckin fools Of course you stop it. And there're exactly two ways to stop it: beat the bully back to his stinky lair; or you lick his boot and wait patiently where he kicks you next, thanking for the attention. What isn't known in this picture, forgot it already? Need another lesson to freshen up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: It's just that there's people who want war, and would like to to prolong "as long as it takes" meaning essentially it could be years and years. That's the 10-IQ take from the conspiracy clown parade. The alternative is to just let Putin take what he wants and win quickly, because the war ending quickly is apparently what's essential here. ? 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: If I were in Ukraine that kind of information would sure shrivel my dick. This totally isn't a problem already... 8 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Does that absolve Putin? No. I didn't say that it did. But sometimes it seems like some of you slavering-jawed war monger types get pretty quickly aroused, so I have to bother to explain myself. Yes, I'm for peace. "I'm for peace", the cretin says, as he advocates on behalf of the totalitarian dictator that invaded his neighbor. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) The mental gymnastics you have to do to rationalize this invasion for Russia, who's currently supported by such upstanding global citizens as Iran, North Korea and China, is truly remarkable. You can really start to separate the truly delusional and self-loathing losers on this forum with where they fall on this particular issue. Edited February 28, 2023 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Moonbox said: The mental gymnastics you have to do to rationalize this invasion for Russia, who's currently supported by such upstanding global citizens as Iran, South Korea and China, is truly remarkable. Wow you're really a good writer, eh? Not. Your posts generally suck, and are of poor grammatical composition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 37 minutes ago, Moonbox said: "I'm for peace", the cretin says, Maybe learn to write a bit better. You did such a sad job writing the forum rules, the owner gave up on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I know you're with Big Brother. I already showed you the quote. You don't have to prove you're a jackass. So you've pretty much given up on making sense at all then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Wow you're really a good writer, eh? Not. Your posts generally suck, and are of poor grammatical composition. The grammar police are out! That's when you know you're dealing with an articulate thinker. ? 13 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Maybe learn to write a bit better. You did such a sad job writing the forum rules, the owner gave up on you. It's funny how you keep going back to this, as if you're scoring points or wounding me. With no coherent argument to make, Oftenwrong falls back on "Your grammar is bad and you're a bad writer." Edited February 28, 2023 by Moonbox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 13 hours ago, Contrarian said: Cornered and shown as who you are and interestingly enough, no mob support. That makes me smile, it means people are thinking for themselves and don't need to compromise their mind with a manipulator who supports Trump and praises Xi, over our own patriots here at CSIS. Real patriots, not disgruntled with a computer from a hole somewhere. Try a job. It will cure your Trumpism, but not sure what you can get without basic mathematics. Courses are for free online. Cornered by what, your snotty insults and myopic opinions? You lost the ability to speak, dude: you write gibberish half the time because you get so worked up about the lies you want to tell. And if you think Biden is a great leader, then how do you explain his hateful speeches, soaring inflation, Americans stranded in Afghanistan, Americans ignored after being gassed in Ohio, and the rising possibility of nuclear war? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, Moonbox said: The mental gymnastics you have to do to rationalize this invasion for Russia, who's currently supported by such upstanding global citizens as Iran, North Korea and China, is truly remarkable. You can really start to separate the truly delusional and self-loathing losers on this forum with where they fall on this particular issue. And yet at the same time we can point to similar rationalizations used by even more upstanding global citizens when it was deemed appropriate to support the monsters and dictators in our mdist. It goes on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Cornered by what, your snotty insults and myopic opinions? You lost the ability to speak, dude: you write gibberish half the time because you get so worked up about the lies you want to tell. Coming from literally the least reasonable and most emotional poster on this forum. Go start another thread, clown, and make sure we know who's the latest VILE FILTH to elicit a WestCanMan tantrum. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: And yet at the same time we can point to similar rationalizations used by even more upstanding global citizens when it was deemed appropriate to support the monsters and dictators in our mdist. No, those are moral compromises, and I don't think anyone would seriously argue that the US doesn't have flexible moral standards when it comes to international diplomacy. What does that have to do with the rationalization of demonstrably absurd Kremlin propaganda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Contrarian said: I think Biden needs to go, he is a weak leader now with all the recent scandals, and this is not who we need to lead the world with China/Russia threat. ? What scandals are recent? Are you talking about his family's unholy alliance with the Chinese gov't that we've known about for years? The one that the FBI called "Russian disinformation"? Quote Let us imagine the President was Trump, as much as I did not like Trump, I, for one, would NEVER give trust to a communist ruler such as Xi. Just because I consider Trump a weak not qualified leader? That's gibberish. Do you want to try to say that again, in a way that makes sense? Quote We have different principles then. Thank you. Quote At the end of the day, he is still part of the American machine that keeps this western system to have somewhat freedom contrary to the other side. Are you talking about vax-mandate, no-freedom-of-speech Joe Biden? Quote and who is on the other side: Russia - Belarus - China - North Korea - Central African Republic - Islamic Republic Guard in Iran - Syria. Luckily for the US, Biden is in tight with the Chinese gov't. They make millions of dollars for his family. Fact. Quote and this was more out of respect for CSIS which is trying to alert the Canadian political class about the CCP interference and you come around and clap for the man that orchestrated all this, because of old man Biden??!! What a world. Not sure what your deal is, but I've never made a big deal about Chinese influence in the last election. Of course they'd try to help get Trudeau elected, for the same reason the allies didn't want to assassinate Hitler. They'll do it again in the next election, we just might not find out. The US does it to every other country on earth. The trick is to not get caught. Don't be so naive. Hell, the US did it in Ukraine to get Zelensky elected. Biden even bragged that he unilaterally selected their chief prosecutor after his quid pro quo. Edited February 28, 2023 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 44 minutes ago, Moonbox said: No, those are moral compromises, and I don't think anyone would seriously argue that the US doesn't have flexible moral standards when it comes to international diplomacy. What does that have to do with the rationalization of demonstrably absurd Kremlin propaganda? A moral compromise sounds a lot like a rationalization. In any case they've added up over time and have all contributed a measure of respectability to the dictatorships we see today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: A moral compromise sounds a lot like a rationalization. A type of rationalization, perhaps, but one that doesn't require mental alchemy. The situation there is pretty straightforward once you acknowledge the cynical nature of it accept that it stands on shaky moral ground. To accept Putin's rationalization for the Ukraine war, on the other hand, requires an absurd chain of delusion and falsehoods supporting one another and culminating in the ideas that Zelensky is a jewish Nazi leader and that NATO is the cause of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, Moonbox said: A type of rationalization, perhaps, but one that doesn't require mental alchemy. The situation there is pretty straightforward once you acknowledge the cynical nature of it accept that it stands on shaky moral ground. To accept Putin's rationalization for the Ukraine war, on the other hand, requires an absurd chain of delusion and falsehoods supporting one another and culminating in the ideas that Zelensky is a jewish Nazi leader and that NATO is the cause of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It's completely nuts alright, especially given the ideology of the people willing to meet the requirements. Many of the same sort of people were comfortable cancelling critics of past accommodations with dictators as supporters of terror, communism and fascism. Now look at them. It reminds me of how rust never sleeps. Ever. It turns everything to shit and whoever touches it only gets it on themselves and it gets spread around some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 You're not wrong, but the unfortunate reality is that probably half or more of the world's population lives under some form of dictatorship and we can't avoid them altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) I don't think we put anywhere near enough effort into trying to avoid dictators. In fact the opposite is just as often the case. The idea that they'd become more like us is questionable and even reasonable people will argue we're becoming more like them. Edited February 28, 2023 by eyeball 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, eyeball said: I don't think we put anywhere near enough effort into trying to avoid dictators. Nothing about Putin wasn't known in the early 2000. It would have cost a fraction, a nothing to stop him right there. If only we could see and learn (Grozny). Edited February 28, 2023 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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