Contrarian Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 (edited) Trending via Warren Kinsella, lawyer, Twitter Page: ---> Pierre Poilievre denounces Conservative MPs' meeting with far-right German politician. Poilievre condemns 'vile' views of German politicians seen lunching with Conservative MPs. He understands, in my view, what will happen if Conservatives here start getting confused with populists and fringes. My opinion is good for Poilievre coming in front of this. This is a golden rule in politics, one to just come in front of the scandal right away, and don't waste time. Not like Joe Biden, hesitating. Edited February 25 by Contrarian edit design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 What is so difficult about Googling who you're going to be meeting? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: What is so difficult about Googling who you're going to be meeting? Yes, that's it, who hires advisers for these people? How hard is it to do your job, find out the names, and do your research? The Internet is such a powerful tool, for people that want to work with it. A professional team would have that information prior to an event like this, as to whom to avoid. In under 2 minutes, they could have found out who they are taking a picture with, and how this will impact voters at home. But, oh well, I guess after a few cocktails, some forget all about that, everyone is friends with everyone. 😄 Edited February 25 by Contrarian edit design 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Agreed. THe liberals were horrible for not vetting people they met with (or invited on trips) and we laughed at them for it - we have to do better. This kind of mistake just can't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Specifically, what did Christine Anderson say that was so deeply offensive? I saw one article that said she opposes immigration. Is that what this is all about? She is supposedly racist because of this? Opinions - as rapporteur | Christine ANDERSON | MEPs | European Parliament (europa.eu) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ironstone said: Specifically, what did Christine Anderson say that was so deeply offensive? I saw one article that said she opposes immigration. Is that what this is all about? She is supposedly racist because of this? Opinions - as rapporteur | Christine ANDERSON | MEPs | European Parliament (europa.eu) Clearly, you think your bubble is what the Canadian electorate is. Think bigger picture, is not only your views that vote. Edited February 25 by Contrarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 These folks seem determined to remain in opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Clearly, you think your bubble is what the Canadian electorate is. Think bigger picture, is not only your views that vote. I put that question out there and you didn't answer it. Is everyone outside of the woke bubble fringe-far right-extremist? Leslyn Lewis is meeting with her and I don't see Lewis as being extremist in any way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: These folks seem determined to remain in opposition. Excellent observation. But I think the leader came out strong and resolved this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allthumbs Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 I don't know too much about her past but she recently had a speech in Canada for a convoy crowd. She says near the end of the speech that vaccination is a government scheme to break the people and not to believe their government when it says it will make a better world. That's a polarized position to have, I wonder what her proofs are. She says that the Nazi's 'luckily' lost. She also adds during the speech that her father, a Nazi soldier fought for freedom, democracy, and rule of law and that's the reason the Russians sentenced him to 25 years in a workcamp. She says she fights communism and socialism and equality but it seems like she can't connect Nazism to totalitarianism. She seemed complicated and contradictory and there must be more to her past to make people be wary of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 This will be forgotten in a month or two like the comments about crypto currency which was dumb. Liberals have real scandals that do have consequences that will be pointed out regularly, like Trudeau's reluctance to say or do anything about China's election interference. He has been trying to downplay it and accuse the Conservatives of playing politics. Everything is playing politics. They are politicians. What else are they supposed to do? China may have helped the Liberals win a few seats, although Trudeau denies it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 37 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Excellent observation. But I think the leader came out strong and resolved this issue. Problem is, the Conservative rank and file keep sabotaging their leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 Can anyone tell me what makes her "far right"? Opposition to the blank cheque they are giving to fund the Ukraine proxy war? Opposing Big Pharmas demands on imposing their product on uninterested customers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Problem is, the Conservative rank and file keep sabotaging their leaders. I think they have a chance with this man. And have noticed him before, obviously, fast politician instincts. Now, I know what the CBC says about him, 21st-century populism, etc, my argument to that: ---> is absolutely impossible to win in today's political climate without a bit of that too. Part of the game. and the Liberals had enough power. Time for a change is my take. I don't want personally as a voter, to leave in anyone's bubble. Politicians are not meant to stay there for a long time, switching it up refreshes the minds. @myata voting?! 😄 Edited February 26 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: What is so difficult about Googling who you're going to be meeting? If you're meeting people fifty times a day during one of these sessions it would be kind of hard. Especially when all you're doing is greeting them, idly chatting for a few minutes, taking a picture and moving on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 37 minutes ago, West said: Can anyone tell me what makes her "far right"? Holocaust denial and supporting Russia certainly qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 30 minutes ago, I am Groot said: If you're meeting people fifty times a day during one of these sessions it would be kind of hard. Especially when all you're doing is greeting them, idly chatting for a few minutes, taking a picture and moving on. You think that these conservative backbenchers are meeting 50 people a day? Taking a picture is a dumb idea, as all of them should know by now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 46 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Holocaust denial and supporting Russia certainly qualify. Did that actually happen? Probably not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 56 minutes ago, I am Groot said: If you're meeting people fifty times a day during one of these sessions it would be kind of hard. Especially when all you're doing is greeting them, idly chatting for a few minutes, taking a picture and moving on. You don't think politicians get a list to who is going to these events? I don't believe they knew who those people were, but the team of advisers, people behind the scenes? Don't they get an invitation list? Don't they sit down and make a plan on who to avoid and who to not avoid due to the optics which can cause issues politically domestic? The Liberal media will talk about this for several months. and why should they not? If the team behind the scenes did not do their job. Will be curious to hear. Is there a team that looks into this prior to these meetings? Edited February 26 by Contrarian grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: You think that these conservative backbenchers are meeting 50 people a day? Taking a picture is a dumb idea, as all of them should know by now. It looked like they were in some sort of public meeting space or gathering. I don't think they had the ADF people to their office or something. In any event, I did careful research of this group (okay, I read about it on Wiki) and they seem to have as wide-ranging a group of opinions as the current tories on a wide variety of subjects. For example: AfD is pro-NATO, pro-United States, and pro-Israel[12][162][163] but is significantly divided on whether to support Russia, and has opposed sanctions on Russia supported by NATO and the United States. It looks like half the party is pro Nato and half is pro Russia. I didn't see anything that clearly marked them as racist or nazis. Apparently, there are two wings of the party at odds with each other and this woman mentioned belongs to the more moderate wing. Anti-immigrant? Sure. I think tons of people in Europe are now, but that mostly refers to the horde of migrants that have flooded up from the middle east and North Africa. Which also accounts for the 'anti muslim' feelings. Funny how not controlling your borders and letting tons of foreigners just dance across them and then giving them welfare, citizenship and healthcare ticks off the right, ain't it? Edited February 26 by I am Groot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 13 hours ago, Contrarian said: You don't think politicians get a list to who is going to these events? I don't believe they knew who those people were, but the team of advisers, people behind the scenes? Don't they get an invitation list? Don't they sit down and make a plan on who to avoid and who to not avoid due to the optics which can cause issues politically domestic? The Liberal media will talk about this for several months. and why should they not? If the team behind the scenes did not do their job. Will be curious to hear. Is there a team that looks into this prior to these meetings? No, I don't think they do get lists or are sat down with names they should avoid. Hell, even the prime minster apparently doesn't get such a list, which is why he was pictured meeting with an Indian terrorist. Edited February 26 by I am Groot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted February 26 Author Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Funny how not controlling I want to ask you a question. Why do you think Germany is so open to immigrants, especially those that can do only minimum-wage jobs? You are a reasonable man not to bring up the Replacement theory, this is why I am asking you. Do you think maybe is an economic reason in the long run due to local people not wanting to work? If you want to respond, I will say my piece after too. Edited February 26 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Contrarian said: I want to ask you a question. Why do you think Germany is so open to immigrants, including those that can do only minimum wage jobs? You are a reasonable man not to bring up the Replacement theory, this is why I am asking you. Do you think maybe is an economic reason? If you want to respond, I will say my piece after too. There are several reasons. One is that Germany is still feeling the guilt and shame of the Holocaust and the war they caused. And there are many parts of Europe that have never let them forget it, either. Merkel made a grand gesture, partly because she felt sympathy, partly, I suspect, because it was virtue signalling to the rest of Europe, to let all these poor people into their country. Then, too, they were short of labour. But way more came than she had suspected, and they're still coming. The cultural disharmony was very difficult and unexpected to her. The government and the elites tried to paper over these issues, as we recall during that infamous effort by government and media to downplay the mass sexual assaults on New Year's Eve. They've been trying to downplay such issues ever since, as have the Swedes. But violence has grown, crime has grown, and many of the migrants, who are mainly young men, have shown little sign of fitting into Germany's labour force. They are also greatly over-presented in crime, especially violent crime and sexual assault. More than five years after arrival only half are employed. And the Adf, which had been a fringe group, is now one of Germany's largest opposition parties with representatives in federal and state government as well as the European parliament. And there are far more openly hateful groups than them now in Germany and throughout Europe. The migrant waves have pushed many governments further and further to the right. Edited February 26 by I am Groot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 13 hours ago, West said: Did that actually happen? Probably not Members of the party have voiced such views. I've found nothing from these particular MEPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 4 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Members of the party have voiced such views. I've found nothing from these particular MEPs So didn't actually happen. Interesting. Wonder why they are making stuff up about her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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