The Left is Destroying Western Civilization

[Contrarian]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

and wouldn't be bumbling along in the darkness with ridiculous ideas.

You arrogance is showing again. 

You go on your narrow path, I go on my narrow path. This is the issue with you religious fanatics, you complain that society doesn't pay attention to you, here I am engaging with you, and when everything fails and you can not hold to a debate: 

"Bumbling along in the darkness." 

Pharisee is the correct world, may God put reason in your mind. 😄

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[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You go on your narrow path, I go on my narrow path. This is the issue with you religious fanatics, you complain that society doesn't pay attention to you, here I am engaging with you, and when everything fails and you can not hold to a debate: 

That's hilarious.  You rarely comment on the actual subject, but rather attack the poster.  I simply respond to your nonsense.

[Contrarian]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

but rather attack the poster. 

If the poster talks about his bubble as "truth", you will always hear from me. 

Had enough of communists back home, religious fanatics in each country, and every echo chamber having a monopoly on running their mouths.

This is why I am here. 😄  I can run my mouth too.

Of course, I will attack your arguments. You don't expect me to agree that 1 single flawed book has the answers to life in 2023. That will be intellectually dishonest out of me, to lower my discussion, just to accommodate you. 

This country has freedom of thought. 

---> Good luck trying to preach this to a generation that grew up on Twitter. It turns me off, can't even imagine them. 

Priority in my opinion and my preaching -> should be economic freedom, owning private property, not medieval religion.

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[blackbird]

21 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You don't expect me to agree that 1 single flawed book has the answers to life in 2023. That will be intellectually dishonest out of me, to lower my discussion, just to accommodate you. 

I never said you should do anything to accommodate me.  I simply state the truth as I believe it.  You refused to accept it.  That's entirely your choice.  But I would ask then what is your guide or foundation for thinking and living?  The world has suffered wars, revolutions, crime, divisions, since the beginning.  The 20th century which you might say is the modern age had the worst, most devastating wars in history.  Communist revolutions in the 20th century killed 100 million people.   Fascism killed tens of millions of people in Europe.  Yet you say the Bible is a flawed book in 2023.  What great wisdom has the world received in the 20th century or now in 2023 that will make it a better place pray tell?  What better source of wisdom and truth has suddenly appeared that is better than the Bible?  You must be living in some alt reality if you think the world is any better in 2023 than it was in 1917 or 1939 when the world wars started.

"The Bible is unique! It is not enough to say that it is a unique Book, for it is a collection of sixty-six ancient Books. Moreover, this unique collection of Books is bound together by a central theme and a unity of purpose which makes the books into One Book.

This Book tells of the ways in which God revealed Himself to mankind over a period of several thousand years. This account of the ways in which God has intervened in human history provides us with a description of the nature and the attributes of God completely different from the concept of God found anywhere else in the entire world of literature. The Bible is history, but history strikingly different from ordinary history. Secular history tells of the rise and fall of nations, of great wars and battles, and of the ways in which men and nations have affected the peoples of surrounding territories. But the Bible goes further than that. The Bible is an interpretation of history, showing how men (as individuals and as nations) have either been blessed or punished by God for their attitude to Him and His holy laws. It is this unique explanation of the moral and spiritual factors behind the historical narrative, which makes the Bible so relevant to us today."

1. The Authority of the Bible | Bible.org

What wisdom does the modern world have that doesn't come from the Bible or is better than the Bible?  What makes you think the ancient people who wrote the Bible under the inspiration of God were wrong?

 

 

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[Contrarian]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What great wisdom has the world received in the 20th century or now in 2023 that will make it a better place pray tell?  What better source of wisdom and truth has suddenly appeared that is better than the Bible?  

This is how a a) Shia Muslim Imam or an b) Ultra-Orhtodox Rabbi talks in Saudi Arabia or Israel: 

a) What great wisdom has the world received in the 20th century or now in 2023 that will make it a better place pray tell?  What better source of wisdom and truth has suddenly appeared that is better than the Quran?  

b) What great wisdom has the world received in the 20th century or now in 2023 that will make it a better place pray tell?  What better source of wisdom and truth has suddenly appeared that is better than the Torah?  

Please understand, I have passed religious programming a very long time ago, it was when a religion teacher from back home told my mother, God bless her soul: "He is asking too many questions."

You might be a good man and because you found something that works for you, automatically you are so full of desire to preach the word. 

My argument is that the life of a human being is so complex, to just narrow it down to only 1 book, is dishonest. If it works for you, why are you assuming it works for everyone else? Isn't that arrogance? 

People can't survive in this fast-paced world of competition if they only go by The Bible. They will be eaten alive in this society. 

I will repeat this again to you. I have no issues with your religion, if it helps you, good, the arguments that me and you will continue to have is when you insist preach it as the only "Truth" and an outlet to push certain theories. 

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[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

the arguments that me and you will continue to have is when you continue to preach it as the only "Truth". 

Because it is the only source of truth.  You have not given any other source so I must assume you have nothing.  Truth does not fall from the sky, or in some book that someone wrote unless it originates from the Bible.  When I am talking about truth, I am talking specifically about moral truth and moral history of mankind, and how God created mankind and eternal truths about mankind.  These are things that the Bible is the authority on.  

[Moonbox]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

When I am talking about truth, I am talking specifically about moral truth and moral history of mankind, and how God created mankind and eternal truths about mankind.  These are things that the Bible is the authority on.  

No, those are things that you've decided the Bible is "the authority on".  That's your belief.  Your religious beliefs are your subjective truths, but they are not facts.    

 

[TreeBeard]

59 minutes ago, blackbird said:

moral truth

So when the bible says “kill gay people”, then it is moral to kill gay people?  Or it was moral at the time, but now it is not?

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

British West Canada?  I'd be okay with that.

As long as they don't call it Cascadia...

We won't call it that until we're confederated from California to Alaska.

Whatever they call it we'll be amongst the next set of super-powes that follow the Great Interregnum. I figure 500 - 1000 years from now. Maybe 250 if we're lucky.

[Nefarious Banana]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Because it is the only source of truth. . .  Truth does not fall from the sky, or in some book that someone wrote unless it originates from the Bible.  When I am talking about truth, I am talking specifically about moral truth and moral history of mankind, and how God created mankind and eternal truths about mankind.  These are things that the Bible is the authority on.  

Through countless rewrites, revisions, removals, and translations . . . . is it any wonder that people question the intent and accuracy of the Bible?  Your truth is not everyone's truth.  There are many folks around the world in many different cultures that know nothing of the Bible, but are fine moral people.  They know their truth and it likely isn't your truth, and it's wrong of Bible adherents to try to trump someone else's belief system.

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[Zeitgeist]

24 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So when the bible says “kill gay people”, then it is moral to kill gay people?  Or it was moral at the time, but now it is not?

It doesn’t say that.  Don’t mislead.  

[Zeitgeist]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We won't call it that until we're confederated from California to Alaska.

Whatever they call it we'll be amongst the next set of super-powes that follow the Great Interregnum. I figure 500 - 1000 years from now. Maybe 250 if we're lucky.

No you’ll be in the ocean after the next major earthquake.  

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You have not given any other source so I must assume you have nothing. 

They have Marx and Engels

[Contrarian]

@OftenWrong

😄

The number 1 Soviet Thinker on this board, the man that rants against elites and success in the West talks about Marx.

Agitator, I see right through you. You can't deflect.

Marx was a low-life manipulator just like some of your postings in my estimation. A man that did not even do his own laundry and lived on other people's success. A lazy person. 

• Objectivism as an example had nothing to do with religion, but with productivity, nothing a state-assisted collector would know about.

Listen, try a job, I already figure it out quickly, you are a man that if he lived during the Soviet Times, would be wearing the red uniform and going after people that had money because you can't handle starting a business. 

Forget the business, you can't even be a regular soldier in society, you complain about McDonald's jobs. 😂 Those people have integrity doing those jobs. They are doing something to provide a service.

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brother @blackbird with you, I can talk any day, you are not a troll, but a man of conviction in my opinion, even though I don't agree with you. 

You asked me what I believe in, well, for so many years this is what kept me going (see below), now the older I get, I realize, need to be a little bit more part of society. 

Is a hard battle let me tell you with all the dogmatics and narrow-minded folks around. I like a challenge though. 

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[blackbird]

51 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Through countless rewrites, revisions, removals, and translations . . . . is it any wonder that people question the intent and accuracy of the Bible? 

False.  Only skeptics and heretics question the accuracy of the King James Bible.  There are many corrupt modern Bible translations in English, but the King James Bible is 100% accurate and trustworthy.

There is a vast amount of information to prove that.

"How We Got the Bible
A seven lesson course on how the Lord gave and preserved His Word through the centuries.
By Cooper Abrams"

How We Got the Bible - How God superintended the writing of His word and preserved it. (bible-truth.org)

It is easy to throw out one-liner sentences with no proof and it is easy to simply refuse to read any articles to learn the facts, such as the above website.  I have even run into some church leaders and elders that automatically reject any information such as the article in the link above.  That's just the way the corrupt world is.

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[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

@OftenWrong

😄

The number 1 Soviet Thinker on this board, the man that rants against elites and success in the West talks about Marx.

Agitator, I see right through you. You can't deflect.

Marx was a low-life manipulator just like some of your postings in my estimation. A man that did not even do his own laundry and lived on other people's success. A lazy person. 

• Objectivism as an example had nothing to do with religion, but with productivity, nothing a state-assisted collector would know about.

Listen, try a job, I already figure it out quickly, you are a man that if he lived during the Soviet Times, would be wearing the red uniform and going after people that had money because you can't handle starting a business. 

Forget the business, you can't even be a regular soldier in society, you complain about McDonald's jobs. 😂 Those people have integrity doing those jobs. They are doing something to provide a service.

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brother @blackbird with you, I can talk any day, you are not a troll, but a man of conviction in my opinion, even though I don't agree with you. 

You asked me what I believe in, well, for so many years this is what kept me going (see below), now the older I get, I realize, need to be a little bit more part of society. 

Is a hard battle let me tell you with all the dogmatics and narrow-minded folks around. I like a challenge though. 

You'd really like me to engage you, wouldn't you. You're like a big pussey begging for some.

But naah. 
I only like the more mature types.

 

[OftenWrong]

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what a great feature

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

 There are many folks around the world in many different cultures that no nothing of the Bible, but are fine moral people. 

none of those cultures created Western civilization

the power of Christ is in the idea of the sacred individual

inalienable rights endowed by the Creator

only Christians have ever gone to war to free all the slaves everywhere,  or die trying

[Contrarian]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You've chosen to ignore content by Contrarian.

what a great feature

I won! Oh, this is better than the Colosseum when someone wins a battle. 

Gladiator feeling. 😄 

I will be around if you want to come back, there was a time I did not eat for a few days SO words and manipulators that push soviet thinking do not scare me. 

---> Those types of words, such as "pussey", did you learn them in a penal colony somewhere?!

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[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

. . . is it any wonder that people question the intent and accuracy of the Bible?  Your truth is not everyone's truth. 

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The salvation of men and their eternal destiny in heaven or hell rests on question as to whether the Bible is the inspired, preserved and accurate word of God or not. Because of the Bible being God's word to us as to how we may know Him and receive eternal life , throughout history there have many attacks on the authenticity of the Bible. Some are open and direct and others more subtle in seeking to discredit and cast a shadow over the Bible as being God's word. Clearly there is a common source for each of these attacks and that source is Satan himself who seeks to destroy men by destroying mankind's only source of knowledge of God and redemption from sin. Unregenerate and unbelieving men who are rejecting God, in the pride of their own selfish and corrupted minds, think they do a great service by criticizing the Bible. How sad and tragic is it that a man would personally reject God's love for them and His salvation and then seek to rob others of God's truth. The Lord gave a solemn warning to those who would tamper with His word in Revelation 22;18-19:

How We Got the Bible - How God superintended the writing of His word and preserved it. (bible-truth.org)

 (Rev. 22:18-19).  " 18  For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Those are the the second and third last verses of the Bible.  Extremely important.  One's eternal destiny hangs on those words.  Remember the Bible was probably the biggest selling book in history.  It has been translated into many languages.  Millions upon million of people acquired it over the last number of centuries.  There is a reason for that.

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[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So when the bible says “kill gay people”, then it is moral to kill gay people?  Or it was moral at the time, but now it is not?

Retract your lie.  

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

It doesn’t say that.  Don’t mislead.  

the practice that ancient Christians opposed was pederasty

it was the norm in the ancient Greco-Roman world

Sparta for example was a society entirely based on pederasty

the ancient Christians had no concept of homosexuality, that idea does even exist until the 19th century

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It doesn’t say that.  Don’t mislead.  

Leviticus 20:13

“’If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

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[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Leviticus 20:13

“’If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

Leviticus is the third book of the Torah

those laws are Judaism not Christianity

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the practice that ancient Christians opposed was pederasty

it was the norm in the ancient Greco-Roman world

Sparta for example was a society entirely based on pederasty

the ancient Christians had no concept of homosexuality, that idea does even exist until the 19th century

Treebeard makes a virtue of homosexuality.  He’s part of the movement against “heteronormativity”, the most ridiculous cause to date, basically saying that anything that falls in the normative range, how the vast majority of humans act, is bad.