The Left is Destroying Western Civilization

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

Unless, WTF do you mean unless? 

Pretty much what 'unless' always means. "except on the condition that : under any other circumstance than". 

Just now, eyeball said:

You sound like you doubt yourself now. Is that the topic now your doubt, or something else?

I pretty much doubt you and that's pretty clear.  You were wrong, unless you believe that the horrors that went on in the residential schools are good. In which case - if you believe that then you were right,

Just now, eyeball said:

Maybe the hallucination you're having this discussion with knows wtf you're talking about but it doesn't look like you do.

Says the guy who got completely confused by the word "unless" ROFLMAO

[TreeBeard]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"The Bible tells us that Socialism is slavery and thievery. And anybody who has lived under Socialism can confirm it. Socialism destroys the Biblical work ethic and confiscates assets earned by producers and gives them to non-producers. This de-motivates producers and creates a cycle of sloth, poverty and dependence."

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

Have you investigated the King James Bible and learned about Jesus Christ, the Savior?  He came into the world, suffered and died for your sins and mine.  Call upon Jesus Christ to be your Savior and believe the gospel that he died for your sins and rose from the dead and you will be saved. 

What’s your definition of socialism?  Let’s make sure we’re talking about the same thing…

[Dougie93]

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 This de-motivates producers and creates a cycle of sloth, poverty and dependence."

but the Romans were so fiercely capitalist

that they employed the largest slave empire in history simply as a labour saving device

the Romans kept humans in chains the way we buy dish washing machines

Jesus of Nazareth didn't seem too keen on that neither

whipping the money lenders from the Temple with lengths of string

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kinda looks like your attempts to explain all the things you've said you later regret.

What things exactly?

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Anyway - like i said, hatred and racism are bad things

What makes you think you need to tell me that? Certainly nothing I've said. 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

okay, so I followed this link down the rabbit hole

there is literally not a single mention of Socialism therein

it's not even mentioned once, it's not even eluded to

this link has nothing to do with Socialism whatsoever

when I click on "what does Bible say about Socialism ?"

it diverts me to a page talking about whether Christians can eat pork, or not, and why

please explain

[blackbird]

33 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What’s your definition of socialism?  Let’s make sure we’re talking about the same thing…

I don't write definitions.  These are from internet dictionaries:

Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

no.2   socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.

Edited February 24, 2023 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

Just now, blackbird said:

Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

what the Communists said,  is that Socialism is simply a means to an end

Socialism is the mechanism by which we will achieve the Post Scarcity Utopia of Communism, some day

the World Socialist Revolution will achieve the perfectly egalitarian society, is how this is supposed to work

Hasta la victoria siempre,  Commandante

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

okay, so I followed this link down the rabbit hole

there is literally not a single mention of Socialism therein

it's not even mentioned once, it's not even eluded to

this link has nothing to do with Socialism whatsoever

when I click on "what does Bible say about Socialism ?"

it diverts me to a page talking about whether Christians can eat pork, or not, and why

please explain

That's strange.  I looked at it just now and it is about Socialism and mentions it frequently.

You must have gone to some other website.

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's strange.  I looked at it just now and it is about Socialism and mentions it frequently.

You must have gone to some other website.

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

when you scroll down on the first page and click on this : So what does the Bible have to say about Socialism?

that takes you here : https://faithfoundedonfact.com/foods-bible-says-not-to-eat/

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

when you scroll down on the first page and click on this : So what does the Bible have to say about Socialism?

that takes you here : https://faithfoundedonfact.com/foods-bible-says-not-to-eat/

I scrolled down the page and can't find that link.  I'm not saying you are mistaken;  just that I don't see it.  Not sure where you found it.  Anyway, the link I gave you has a long page of information about Socialism.

Edited February 24, 2023 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That's strange.  I looked at it just now and it is about Socialism and mentions it frequently.

You must have gone to some other website.

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

https://faithfoundedonfact.com/foods-bible-says-not-to-eat/

perhaps it is suggesting that Socialism is the Poison Apple ?

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Desiring this knowledge, the woman eats the forbidden fruit and gives some to the man who also eats it." ~ Genesis 3:4–5

"and ye shall be as gods, knowing good & evil"

therein is the Christian gnosticism of Hegel

man becomes God and makes His own Heaven on Earth

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

https://faithfoundedonfact.com/foods-bible-says-not-to-eat/

perhaps it is suggesting that Socialism is the Poison Apple ?

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Desiring this knowledge, the woman eats the forbidden fruit and gives some to the man who also eats it." ~ Genesis 3:4–5

"and ye shall be as gods, knowing good & evil"

therein is the Christian gnosticism of Hegel

man becomes God and makes His own Heaven on Earth

OK.  Sorry I found the link you are talking about and you are correct.  It takes you to a different subject.  Obviously they made a mistake with that link.  Just ignore it.   No big deal.  Stay on the main page.  There is lots to read there.

[TreeBeard]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't write definitions.  These are from internet dictionaries:

Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

no.2   socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.

Ok.  I don’t like the public owning everything either. 
 

Do you like socialism when it comes to healthcare?  Or do you think everyone should pay out of pocket to see a doctor?

Edited February 24, 2023 by TreeBeard

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

 Just ignore it.  

no, it's making sense to me now, perhaps it is divine intervention, Deus ex machina

Socialism is the Poison Apple

but God does not intervene to prevent you from eating it, as we are not dolls anymore than Adam & Eve were

bear in mind tho, there are four sects of Christianity

the Ebionites, ostensibly the followers of James, twin brother of Jesus

the Orthodox:  that's you

the Marcianites : that's me

and the Gnostics : that's the Socialists

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So you're saying that when two groups are reconciling, only one group should ever be allowed to bring up issues in the past?

Nope. I've certainly never heard the whataboutism argument Zeitgeist appeals to in any talks I attended and it certainly didn't prevent the SC from authorizing the right of 1st Nations to pursue land claims and reconciliation.

Quote

I'm not sure you know what reconciliation is.

That's okay because I'm quite sure I do.  

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Ok.  I don’t like the public owning everything either. 
 

Do you like socialism when it comes to healthcare?  Or do you think everyone should pay out of pocket to see a doctor?

The truth is you are paying whether you believe it or not, unless you are living off the government.  Everybody pays through taxes.   If there was no public health care system, you would theoretically pay less taxes and pay for health insurance instead.  The health insurance would then pay for you to see a doctor.   You might pay so much a month or possibly pay a small deductible plus monthly premium payments for insurance.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Bullshit you did. Either quote the post highlight the words I said or go perch and rotate.

Ahhhh yes  - the kind who tries to cover a lack of argument by making people repost stuff again and again. Then  i repost it and a few posts later you demand it again.  It's there in black and white easy enough for anyone to read (unless you're also the type to edit or delete posts)

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Pretty much what 'unless' always means. "except on the condition that : under any other circumstance than". 

Well there was only one pretty unconditional circumstance when you interpreted this;

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course there is, getting up the nose of Canada's hard right-wing and showing it the door.  This should be a constant never-ending effort of all civilized Westerners.

This thread provides both the evidence why and that it's working. ? 

to mean spreading division and hatred.

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you consider spreading division and racial hatred a worth while goal?

I told you what my goal was but you insisted on hearing something else.

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What things exactly?

Ahhh. So you ARE the type who tries to cover their lack of intelligent argument by demanding people repeat the same things again and again.  Kinda thought so.

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What makes you think you need to tell me that? Certainly nothing I've said. 

It was mostly your display of hatred and racism that lead me to think you needed to hear that,

Hatred and racism is not healthy. You should avoid having those kinds of thoughts if you can. There's people who can help if you struggle

[TreeBeard]

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The truth is you are paying whether you believe it or not, unless you are living off the government.  Everybody pays through taxes.   If there was no public health care system, you would theoretically pay less taxes and pay for health insurance instead.  The health insurance would then pay for you to see a doctor.   You might pay so much a month or possibly pay a small deductible plus monthly premium payments for insurance.

So, you don’t seem to mind socialist public healthcare?    Isn’t that Satanic and evil?

Our military is owned by the public.  Socialist military.  Should all militaries be privately owned?

Edited February 24, 2023 by TreeBeard

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Pretty much what 'unless' always means. "except on the condition that : under any other circumstance than". 

I pretty much doubt you and that's pretty clear.  You were wrong, unless you believe that the horrors that went on in the residential schools are good. In which case - if you believe that then you were right,

No I don't believe they were good at all, and you're completely retarded for even imagining I did.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The truth is you are paying whether you believe it or not, unless you are living off the government.  Everybody pays through taxes.   If there was no public health care system, you would theoretically pay less taxes and pay for health insurance instead.  The health insurance would then pay for you to see a doctor.   You might pay so much a month or possibly pay a small deductible plus monthly premium payments for insurance.

and the Canadian Socialist healthcare system was invented by whom, again ?

Pastor Tommy Douglas, ordained Minister of Calvary Baptist Church in Weyburn Saskatchewan

follower of the Christian Social Gospel movement

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I told you what my goal was but you insisted on hearing something else.

You changed your tune about your goal when i pointed out your racism and hate based posting, And you seem to do that a fair bit,

So i pointed out that hatred and racism are bad things for you and you shouldn't allow that into your thinking.  And holy crap have you sure spent  a lot of time arguing that point.

Hatred and racism isn't healthy. You should not participate in that kind of thikning.  If you don't agree then fine, i can't force you,

[blackbird]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

So, you don’t seem to mind socialist public healthcare?    Isn’t that Satanic and evil?

I never said I don't mind public healthcare.   You are inventing things that I never said.

Public health care is inefficient and wasting billions of dollars.

Unions are causing lots of problems.  Some employees are being paid a fortune.

Lots of waste and excessive administration.

Inefficiencies common.   Yet long waiting in emergency rooms and long waiting lists for surgeries.

Public health care is failing and Canada gets a failing grade.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

No I don't believe they were good at all, and you're completely retarded for even imagining I did.

You were the one arguing it.  I assumed you weren't - but then when i said that you kicked up a big fuss. I guess if j don't like your answer right now i can always wait 5 minutes and get your new answer then, you seem to change your mind pretty frequently.