The Left is Destroying Western Civilization

[Dougie93]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

We were discussing the NT.

there is no historical evidence whatsoever as to who actually wrote it

for sake of argument, meaning proof, Matthew, Mark, Luke & John could be entirely fabricated characters

so there's no point in arguing about that which cannot be proven

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

there is no historical evidence whatsoever as to who actually wrote it

for sake of argument, meaning proof, Matthew, Mark, Luke & John could be entirely fabricated characters

so there's no point in arguing about that which cannot be proven

Yes, they were written anonymously.  That doesn’t mean we can’t tell what language they were written in.  
 

I can get a letter from an anonymous source and tell that the letter is written in English.  

[blackbird]

The fact that the Charter of Rights in Canada is weaker that the U.S. Constitution is also demonstrated by the lack of property rights in Canada.  Here is an article which I can somewhat agree with.

Terence Corcoran: Property rights? No way, man. This is Canada! (msn.com)

[Dougie93]

48 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Yes, they were written anonymously.  That doesn’t mean we can’t tell what language they were written in.  
 

I can get a letter from an anonymous source and tell that the letter is written in English.  

it is asserted by scholars that the New Testament was originally written in Greek, Aramaic & Hebrew

since I don't know who wrote it, and what they wrote it in first, there is no way to know who translated what

but since it is all based on and constantly refers to a much older book, called the Sep­tu­agint (LXX)

the only versions of which available to Romans in the 1st century, being written in Coptic

again, it was the Romans who translated this religion, from Coptic, into Greek

in terms of historical evidence, that suggests that this religion emanates from Egypt, not Judea

Abraham after all, was first written of by Egyptian priests

that's where the ancient Greeks got it from, the Egyptians not the Hebrews

the story of Abraham translated into Egyptian during the rein of the Pharaoh Ptolemy II

Abraham was Egyptian, Moses was Egyptian

the God of the Hebrews comes from Egypt not Judea

Edited February 23, 2023 by Dougie93

[TreeBeard]

28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it is asserted by scholars that the New Testament was originally written in Greek, Aramaic & Hebrew

No, it is not.  It was written, based on historical research, to be written in Greek.  

 

29 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

since I don't know

You don’t know, so maybe just listen to the actual scholars?

30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Coptic

You keep asserting this, but it is not true.  Provide a citation. 

[blackbird]

Here is an interesting and valid point of view posted on a social media platform:

"CHARTS and LOTS OF FACTS...NOT FICTION!!

Complete article in the LINK BELOW has other links to SOURCED FOOTNOTES in blue type face.

Energy, not ideology, is the modern economy.

The net-zero theology is

“sound and fury, signifying nothing” but dystopian misery.

*****

FEB.17, 2023...HEADLINE:

New geological study proves that the GREEN ENERGY movement is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve.

QUOTED FROM THE LINK:

The math doesn’t support the NET ZERO activist movement’s rhetoric.

Eliminating indispensable fossil fuels, as Germany is experiencing at an accelerating rate, without replacing it with the equivalent of alternative energy, would quickly COLLAPSE modern society.

Think of it as the “Jonestown Massacre” on a global scale.

The renewable energy FANTASY GOAL is achieving

NET ZERO carbon emissions by 2050.

Carpet-bombing PROPAGANDA has convinced the public to accept the extravagant claim that technology currently exists to reach net zero carbon emissions.

Like carnival barkers, the NET-ZERO FANATICS say renewable energy is affordable, sustainable, scalable, and not an economy wrecker.

The goal is to create a first-generation green power grid relying on wind turbine farms, solar array farms, and power storage battery banks replacing fossil fuel and nuclear power plants.

In addition, the new power grid would power a global fleet of electric vehicles that would replace the internal combustion engine.

Western society has taken 150 YEARS of progress to achieve a fantastically complex energy system using the dense source of

cheap hydrocarbon energy...THE MASTER RESOURCE!!

Yet the NET-ZERO devotees believe that the complex energy system can be dismantled with minimal disruption and replaced with a low-density renewable energy grid that is intermittent and non-scalable, in LESS THAN 30 YEARS!!

Well, I have horrible news for the NET ZERO devotees...

THE GREEN ENERGY FANTASY COLLIDES WITH THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!!

The GREENIES NEVER RESEARCHED whether or not there are sufficient base and rare earth metals and adequate time to mine and build out the technologies to accomplish the NET ZERO carbon 2050 target date.

Energy, not ideology, is the modern economy. The net-zero theology is “sound and fury, signifying nothing” but dystopian misery.

READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE HERE>>> https://www.lifesitenews.com/.../new-geological-study.../

https://www.lifesitenews.com/.../new-geological-study.../

This information would of course contradict Trudeau's Church or fighting climate change, net zero, and transitioning.

Just another example of how leftism is destroying western civilization.

Edited February 23, 2023 by blackbird

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No, it is not.  It was written, based on historical research, to be written in Greek.  

You don’t know, so maybe just listen to the actual scholars?

You keep asserting this, but it is not true.  Provide a citation. 

according to scholars

the earliest Psalms in the Bible were written in 5th century BC by the Jews in Egypt, in Demotic

which again, is an Egyptian language

it was an Egyptian world before it was a Greek world, everything Biblical originates in Egypt

bear in mind, the Hebrews were forced to flee from Canaan by the Babylonians

wherein they fled to Egypt and became Egyptians

Moses after all, was the Prince of Egypt, brother of the Pharaoh

Christianity is a Roman religion, originating in Egypt

the Hebrews really have little to do with it, since they in fact reject it as heresy

everything Jesus asserts to be true, comes from Egypt, by the parting of the Red Sea

Pharaoh to Moses to Jesus

the Romans then convert to this Egyptian religion

the Jews want nothing to do with it, they mark Jesus as a troublemaker and call for His execution

Pontius Pilates doesn't even want to do it, he knows Jesus will become a martyr

it is the Hebrews who insist that Jesus be executed, for His heretical Egyptian faith

the Hebrews who went to Egypt;  found a new religion there

when they came home to Judea, they were rejected by their own, as being foreign: Egyptian

it all starts in Egypt written in Egyptian, which is why the Aramaic Jews didn't adopt it

the Romans however, did not have the same baggage

the Emperor might have been threatened by Jesus, Tiberius Caesar being a soulless monster

but the rank & file Romans quickly started to come around to this God of love & forgiveness

the Pagan gods were so feckless and cruel and indifferent

while this God of Gods from Egypt offered new meaning to life

maybe it wasn't all about killing & enslaving & conquering

maybe there was something more to life than that

it did take the Romans 280 years to utterly convert to Egyptian monotheism

that's really not very long tho, much shorter than the lifespan of Canada ( 1603 - 2023 )

this idea of resurrection, that is Egyptian too

what Jesus did, was bring it to the masses

not just the Pharaoh will live forever, you will live forever too

every man is Pharaoh, every single man is equally sacred : event horizon, lift off, go at throttle up

whether you believe or not, this one idea has led us to the greatest of all civilizations

I simply give the Egyptians their due

clearly God was working through them, Egypt is where God chose to make His move

as without Pharaoh there is no Moses, without Moses, Jesus has no flock

it all fits together, vertically integrated, on the banks of the Red Sea 

you run to the banks of your Red Sea, and pray for a miracle

then Jesus of Nazareth comes

that's how it works

it's not in a book : it is real world effects in real time

the ancient Romans were not naive, they were brutally cynical, ferociously pragmatic

far more than we are now, the ancient Romans would have killed you for looking at them funny

they were like the mafia, if you showed any weakness, you were dead, no mercy, no quarter

yet this supernatural force overwhelmed them, they were swept away by it

even the Emperor was forced to kneel in the face of salvation by forgiveness

love thine enemies, no fears on earth, that is power, ultimate power

Edited February 23, 2023 by Dougie93

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

according to scholars

the earliest Psalms in the Bible were written in 5th century BC by the Jews in Egypt, in Demotic

which again, is an Egyptian language

it was an Egyptian world before it was a Greek world, everything Biblical originates in Egypt

bear in mind, the Hebrews were forced to flee from Canaan by the Babylonians

wherein they fled to Egypt and became Egyptians

Moses after all, was the Prince of Egypt, brother of the Pharaoh

Christianity is a Roman religion, originating in Egypt

the Hebrews really have little to do with it, since they in fact reject it as heresy

everything Jesus asserts to be true, comes from Egypt, by the parting of the Red Sea

Pharaoh to Moses to Jesus

the Romans then convert to this Egyptian religion

the Jews want nothing to do with it, they mark Jesus as a troublemaker and call for His execution

Pontius Pilates doesn't even want to do it, he knows Jesus will become a martyr

it is the Hebrews who insist that Jesus be executed, for His heretical Egyptian faith

the Hebrews who went to Egypt;  found a new religion there

when they came home to Judea, they were rejected by their own, as being foreign: Egyptian

it all starts in Egypt written in Egyptian, which is why the Aramaic Jews didn't adopt it

the Romans however, did not have the same baggage

the Emperor might have been threatened by Jesus, Tiberius Caesar being a soulless monster

but the rank & file Romans quickly started to come around to this God of love & forgiveness

the Pagan gods were so feckless and cruel and indifferent

while this God of Gods from Egypt offered new meaning to life

maybe it wasn't all about killing & enslaving & conquering

maybe there was something more to life than that

it did take the Romans 280 years to utterly convert to Egyptian monotheism

that's really not very long tho, much shorter than the lifespan of Canada ( 1603 - 2023 )

this idea of resurrection, that is Egyptian too

what Jesus did, was bring it to the masses

not just the Pharaoh will live forever, you will live forever too

every man is Pharaoh, every single man is equally sacred : event horizon, lift off, go at throttle up

whether you believe or not, this one idea has led us to the greatest of all civilizations

I simply give the Egyptians their due

clearly God was working through them, Egypt is where God chose to make His move

as without Pharaoh there is no Moses, without Moses, Jesus has no flock

it all fits together, vertically integrated, on the banks of the Red Sea 

you run to the banks of your Red Sea, and pray for a miracle

then Jesus of Nazareth comes

that's how it works

it's not in a book : it is real world effects in real time

the ancient Romans were not naive, they were brutally cynical, ferociously pragmatic

far more than we are now, the ancient Romans would have killed you for looking at them funny

they were like the mafia, if you showed any weakness, you were dead, no mercy, no quarter

yet this supernatural force overwhelmed them, they were swept away by it

even the Emperor was forced to kneel in the face of salvation by forgiveness

love thine enemies, no fears on earth, that is power, ultimate power

Maybe you should read the Bible.  Don't know where you got all that nonsense about Egypt.  

"What the Bible says about Egypt as Sin"

What the Bible says about Egypt as Sin (bibletools.org)

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

Slavery was almost non-existent in Canada and even that ended about two hundred years ago.  So there is no justification for making a great to-do out about the subject in Canada.

Of course there is, getting up the nose of Canada's hard right-wing and showing it the door.  This should be a constant never-ending effort of all civilized Westerners.

This thread provides both the evidence why and that it's working. ? 

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Of course there is, getting up the nose of Canada's hard right-wing and showing it the door.  This should be a constant never-ending effort of all civilized Westerners.

This thread provides both the evidence why and that it's working. ? 

So you consider spreading division and racial hatred a worth while goal?

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Maybe you should read the Bible.  Don't know where you got all that nonsense about Egypt. 

I would not invoke the Bible as historical evidence, that would be the nonsensical thing

in terms of sense, the Egyptian origins of Christianity can be gleaned by archaeology and logical extrapolation

the Jews who flee to Egypt do not believe in a Christ nor resurrection

historical evidence points to the Egyptians as being the ones who believed in a Christ and resurrection

this then crosses back over the Red Sea, where it becomes a Roman religion

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fact that the Charter of Rights in Canada is weaker that the U.S. Constitution is also demonstrated by the lack of property rights in Canada.  Here is an article which I can somewhat agree with.

Terence Corcoran: Property rights? No way, man. This is Canada! (msn.com)

There have only been 13 changes to the Canadian constitution whereas the American has 27.

Maybe the Canadian one is stronger? Or Canadians are less litigious?

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I would not invoke the Bible as historical evidence, that would be the nonsensical thing

in terms of sense, the Egyptian origins of Christianity can be gleaned by archaeology and logical extrapolation

the Jews who flee to Egypt do not believe in a Christ nor resurrection

historical evidence points to the Egyptians as being the ones who believed in a Christ and resurrection

this then crosses back over the Red Sea, where it becomes a Roman religion

There have been many heretical groups down through history.  Your postings sounds like it is just another far out tale.  The King James Bible is based on very solid manuscripts.  For example the New Testament is based on I believe over 95% of the early manuscripts.  We are talking about over 5,000 manuscripts or parts of manuscripts.  The claims you are posting are erroneous information probably from heretical individuals or sects.  There is a vast amount of information on the origin and defense of the King James Version.  These are all reasons why the KJV should be trusted and other erroneous writings which contradict it should be rejected.  Satan is constantly working to undermine the Bible with false information and theories.

The King James Bible Defended - by Pastor Edward F. Hills (jesus-is-savior.com)

"16  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17  For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18  And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 

19  We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. "  2 Peter 1:16-21 KJV

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by blackbird

[Nationalist]

20 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What law?  Who has been charged with a crime for denying holocaust numbers?

These laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial

[blackbird]

44 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There have only been 13 changes to the Canadian constitution whereas the American has 27.

Maybe the Canadian one is stronger? Or Canadians are less litigious?

Do some research on the thinking of the American founding fathers and their beliefs and remember they had the goal of building a free country.  I am not saying Canada is not a free country.  There are a number of aspects to this and history is another complex subject.  Just picking little tidbits of information here and there doesn't really give us a complete picture.  It is a very difficult subject, complex, and I don't have a lot of time to spend on it.  The two systems are quite different.  There are good points in both systems and I am sure they are not exactly the same.  Lets not forget one is Republican and the other is a Constitutional Monarchy.   I prefer the Constitutional Monarchy, but it is not perfect.  No system is.  It depends on the personal beliefs of the people who are in charge too.  Canada's Supreme Court consists of mostly people who are liberals which means they think and rule with a liberal point of view.  The U.S. Supreme Court has a majority of conservatives in it at this time, although that has varied over time and at times it is a majority of liberals.  Their system of picking Supreme Court judges is different than Canada's too.  So there is that aspect.  Conservatives are generally known to be stronger defenders of freedoms like property rights.  Canada has been governed by liberals most of its history and liberals are less supportive of individual property rights and more in favour of big government and control.

Edited February 23, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There have only been 13 changes to the Canadian constitution whereas the American has 27.

Can't compare the two countries on that basis.  The U.S. is ten times the size in population and has 52 states.  Far more governments in the U.S. if you count each state.  Canada has a tiny population in comparison.

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

there is no historical evidence whatsoever as to who actually wrote it

There is a ton of evidence, even in the Bible itself as to who wrote it.  You are making totally nonsensical comments.  

[Zeitgeist]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course there is, getting up the nose of Canada's hard right-wing and showing it the door.  This should be a constant never-ending effort of all civilized Westerners.

This thread provides both the evidence why and that it's working. ? 

The only groups that supported slavery in Canada were the Northwest Pacific Coast Indigenous, who kept slaves and maintained rigid dominance hierarchies.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Do some research on the thinking of the American founding fathers and their beliefs and remember they had the goal of building a free country.  I am not saying Canada is not a free country.  There are a number of aspects to this and history is another complex subject.  Just picking little tidbits of information here and there doesn't really give us a complete picture.  It is a very difficult subject, complex, and I don't have a lot of time to spend on it.  The two systems are quite different.  There are good points in both systems and I am sure they are not exactly the same.  Lets not forget one is Republican and the other is a Constitutional Monarchy.   I prefer the Constitutional Monarchy, but it is not perfect.  No system is.  It depends on the personal beliefs of the people who are in charge too.  Canada's Supreme Court consists of mostly people who are liberals which means they think and rule with a liberal point of view.  The U.S. Supreme Court has a majority of conservatives in it at this time, although that has varied over time and at times it is a majority of liberals.  Their system of picking Supreme Court judges is different than Canada's too.  So there is that aspect.  Conservatives are generally known to be stronger defenders of freedoms like property rights.  Canada has been governed by liberals most of its history and liberals are less supportive of individual property rights and more in favour of big government and control.

You pick little tidbits to make your points so....

Canada's Supreme Court consists of judges appointed into the positions depending on who is in power. Some years it is Liberal, some it is Conservative.

Why are "property rights" a big deal to you?? We have it. "The right to own property was also included in the English Bill of Rights in 1689. In 1948, Canada signed the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 17 of which reads: Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others."

 

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Can't compare the two countries on that basis.  The U.S. is ten times the size in population and has 52 states.  Far more governments in the U.S. if you count each state.  Canada has a tiny population in comparison.

Only responding to your comment "The fact that the Charter of Rights in Canada is weaker" than the US.

As for number of governments, they all must till comply with the constitution.

Population has nothing to do with it.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

There is a ton of evidence, even in the Bible itself as to who wrote it.  You are making totally nonsensical comments.  

Like the Gospels, right?  ?

59 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The only groups that supported slavery in Canada were the Northwest Pacific Coast Indigenous, who kept slaves and maintained rigid dominance hierarchies.

The Imperial Act of 1790 encouraged settlers to bring the Black people they enslaved into the colony duty-free. Loyalists subsequently brought approximately 2,000 enslaved Blacks with them to Canada — between 500 and 700 to Upper Canada. The law enforced and maintained enslavement through contracts — transactions that involved buying, selling or hiring out enslaved persons were legally binding, as were the terms of wills in which slaves were bequeathed.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/1793-act-to-limit-slavery-in-upper-canada#:~:text=The Imperial Act of 1790,and 700 to Upper Canada.

Oops!

Can't wait for my little-weenie downvote.  

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Like the Gospels, right?  ?

The Imperial Act of 1790 encouraged settlers to bring the Black people they enslaved into the colony duty-free. Loyalists subsequently brought approximately 2,000 enslaved Blacks with them to Canada — between 500 and 700 to Upper Canada. The law enforced and maintained enslavement through contracts — transactions that involved buying, selling or hiring out enslaved persons were legally binding, as were the terms of wills in which slaves were bequeathed.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/1793-act-to-limit-slavery-in-upper-canada#:~:text=The Imperial Act of 1790,and 700 to Upper Canada.

Oops!

Can't wait for my little-weenie downvote.  

Slavery was very minimal in Canada and Britain ended it around 200 years ago.  Old history is being exploited by the extremist red power, Commies, woke, left, and ignorant minorities.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Like the Gospels, right?  ?

The Imperial Act of 1790 encouraged settlers to bring the Black people they enslaved into the colony duty-free. Loyalists subsequently brought approximately 2,000 enslaved Blacks with them to Canada — between 500 and 700 to Upper Canada. The law enforced and maintained enslavement through contracts — transactions that involved buying, selling or hiring out enslaved persons were legally binding, as were the terms of wills in which slaves were bequeathed.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/1793-act-to-limit-slavery-in-upper-canada#:~:text=The Imperial Act of 1790,and 700 to Upper Canada.

Oops!

Can't wait for my little-weenie downvote.  

You’re saying that previous contracts were honoured.  This was quite temporary after the American Revolution, however, and most of the slaves in Canada were kept by Indigenous.  Consider that Upper Canada was established in 1793 and

”A compromise was reached and on July 9, 1793 an Act was passed that prevented the further introduction of slaves into Upper Canada and allowed for the gradual abolition of slavery although no slaves already residing in the province were freed outright.”

AND

”The historian Marcel Trudel catalogued the existence of about 4,200 slaves in Canada between 1671 and 1834, the year slavery was abolished in the British Empire. About two-thirds of these were Native and one-third were Blacks. The use of slaves varied a great deal throughout the course of this period.”

Canada was founded in 1867  

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Population has nothing to do with it.

You said there were more amendments in the U.S.   I replied that is because the U.S. is far larger with far more governments.  So what would one expect?  That's not rocket science.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Like the Gospels, right?  ?

What is that supposed to mean?