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55 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The issue is meeting our country's responsibility sometimes with our country's money. There's nothing in our Constitution or any legal precedents I'm aware of for an ideological or religious exemption from our collective responsibilities. The only way out really is to go back from wherever you or your folks came from. No one's forcing you either way.

My folks came from manitoba.  Not sure how going back there would help :) I'm as 'native' to canada as anyone else.

The first nations 'folks' came from aisa. We're all descended from immigrants here. We call first nations indigenous from time to time but of course that's not true. Mind you it wasn't true they were 'Indians' either. Definitely in the running for 'most mislabeled people in history'.

As to obligations the fact is the definition of and recognition of obligations change all the time. A court says 'well, when we look at it this way these are the obligations", only to have another court later say "But, now that i look at it from this different perspective, THIS is how it is..." etc.   The recognized 'obligations ' have changed much over the years.

I'm sure the first nations have all kinds of ideas as to what 'obligations' they feel they are owed. But the fact is that it's all pretty much bullshit - the obligations are whatever the majority of people will accept. If the majority feel differently then one way or another things will change.

So saying there's no way for the country to 'get out of them' is ridiculous. Of course we can - we just change the obligations. No problem. 

I think the majority of people by far would like to see the wrongs of the past at least somewhat corrected and i think most would be willing to pay IF it meant the first nations were able to get on their own feet and care for themselves instead of being cared for like children as they are now. And i think that's true regardless of 'obligation'. 

But that can and inevitably will change. The first nations can't play victim forever, eventually they have to produce results and start being responsible for their own lives.

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9 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Are you referring to the predatory Haida that came down the coast to sh!tkick VI westcoast 'nations' and take slaves back north?  Maybe you (Ontario transplant) and your wife can get compensation from the Haida?

Pacific Northwest nations seems quite cowed by the federal government now

in Upper Canada, we live side by side with the Mohawk

the federal & Ontario governments tremble with fear in the face of them

none the less, they've got 120 cigarettes for sale for only $12 at Indian Line north of Hagersville

God save the Queen & Her Mohawk warriors

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15 minutes ago, herbie said:

Tom Douglas wasn't a 'real' minister.

That ranks right up there with Catholics are not 'real' Christians on my formula "the more one spouts their Christian righteousness is an inverse square proportion to their actual Christianity' scale.

I don't go by leftist ideology which is your religion.  Thanks.

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13 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Not 'First Nations' . . . . . they're 'First Immigrants'.  Anyone born here is Indigenous.

Well if they were the first immigrants in fairness they would also be the first nation right?

As to indigenous - depends on your definition. We did not evolve into humans on this land. But it is the land of our birth and creation. So when it comes to canada, either everybody born here is indigenous or nobody is, depending on your definition.

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2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

True.  Now it’s some kind of Chinese North American Post-National hybrid run by the UN and the radical Democrat farm team called the Liberal Party of Canada.

no matter

as British is not a race

British is not a place

British is simply the Glorious Revolution of 1688

inalienable rights endowed by God Himself

rally to the Colours

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Everyone came from somewhere, including Indigenous.

Yabut the indigenous were here first and like it or not that has legal implications stemming from the 2000 year old moral code we imposed on them.  Who imagined they'd figure out how to hoist us like the proverbial petard with it.

Like I said, you're free to leave.

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2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Are you referring to the predatory Haida that came down the coast to sh!tkick VI westcoast 'nations' and take slaves back north? 

Nope.

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Maybe you (Ontario transplant) and your wife can get compensation from the Haida?

I'm sorry but you're not making any sense whatsoever. Try thinking more slowly before trying to catch up.

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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So saying there's no way for the country to 'get out of them' is ridiculous. Of course we can - we just change the obligations. No problem.

How? By suing, negotiating or conquering them? Good luck in any case

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But that can and inevitably will change. The first nations can't play victim forever, eventually they have to produce results and start being responsible for their own lives.

Where I live these folks are starting or buying up business opportunities and as I understand it they'll soon be collecting taxes from native owned business' that are located and operate in their territories.

These include transportation and natural resources, forestry, fishing and a number of small run of river power plants in the area.   

It's happening.  

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yabut the indigenous were here first and like it or not that has legal implications stemming from the 2000 year old moral code we imposed on them.  Who imagined they'd figure out how to hoist us like the proverbial petard with it.

Like I said, you're free to leave.

They didn't. We do. We are a caring culture and we see them suffer and also we feel some guilt for their inability to care for themselves so we look to try to right those wrongs in some way.  But that's just us, if we decided not to do that they would have no power. Lets face it, as a culture they've become professional victims. Unless something changes it's not like they have any ability to make their own way.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

How? By suing, negotiating or conquering them? Good luck in any case

They're already conquered. We provide for their every need, there's no more thorough way to enslave or conquer a person than that. And we negotiate when it suits us and our collective moral feelings at the time.  Not much need to sue either.

No, historically you just change the laws or the interpretation. It's really not a big deal, we've done that many times.

So it just depends on what we want to do over time and how much sympathy people have for the first nations. It won't last forever, nothing does. But hopefully while the sentiment allowes for it they'll finally find their footing and look at how they want to govern themselves and fit in and start to make their way in life.

For the first 300 years or so the first nations and the europeans got along great. Then sentiment changed and for 100 years or so they didn't, and canadians who decended from the europeans had no problem stripping the first nations of their rights and interests. Now it's swinging back, has been for the last 50  years or so. The first nations need to give up the 'woe is me' nonsense soon and start building a life before it flips back again.

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8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They didn't. We do. We are a caring culture and we see them suffer and also we feel some guilt for their inability to care for themselves so we look to try to right those wrongs in some way.  But that's just us, if we decided not to do that they would have no power. Lets face it, as a culture they've become professional victims. Unless something changes it's not like they have any ability to make their own way.

You'd probably best stay out of the negotiating business. You just don't have the attitude for it - you could never make it work.

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7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

they think they are going to force people out of Canada ?

No, not in the least. Lol!  They're not stupid you know.

Did you forget the thread title? That's what's going to force people to leave.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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4 hours ago, herbie said:

Tom Douglas wasn't a 'real' minister.

That ranks right up there with Catholics are not 'real' Christians on my formula "the more one spouts their Christian righteousness is an inverse square proportion to their actual Christianity' scale.

The sad thing is I have given numerous postings explaining all that from a Biblical point of view, but you continue to reject it.  You have given no indication of what you believe, but have opposed everything I posted.  So it is a mystery what exactly you believe.  Perhaps you are a Roman Catholic of some sort, maybe non-practicing.  You commented as if you might be Roman Catholic but don't come right out and say what you believe and why.  

As for Tommy Douglas and Socialism, I have posted lots of information to show why Socialism, which Tommy Douglas fought for, is unbiblical and evil.  You have not given any counter arguments with any reasons.  I don't know if it is worth re-posting why Socialism is evil.  Suffice to say it is stealing from those who have something to give to everyone else.  The right to private property is clearly taught in the Bible and stealing is condemned.  So how can you support Tommy Douglas and Socialism?

As for Catholicism, I could give you a number of books that go into why Catholicism is contrary to Christianity and unbiblical.  Of course unless you know what the real gospel is you won't understand any of it.  First you need to find out what the real gospel message of the Bible is and understand how it is different than Roman Catholicism.  Roman Catholicism does not accept the Bible as the final authority even though men were inspired by God to write it.  In place of the Bible they rely on the Majisterium (group of Bishops or Pope) and tradition to provide them their truth.

Protestant Christianity believe the Bible is the final authority, not a church and not a group of men.

Five hundred years ago the Reformation took place in parts of northern Europe and the UK.  That was a rejection of the false religion of Romanism and a return to Biblical Christianity.  Again you need to find out what that was all about.  That should be basic knowledge that anyone should understand.  Roman Catholicism is a man-made religion of trying to work your way to heaven by doing penance, doing good works, going to Church, and spending an indefinite time in a place called Purgatory, which does not even exist in the Bible.  You need to read the New Testament to find out what the true gospel is. 

Salvation is by faith alone, not by works. (see Ephesians 2:8 KJV and the Apostle Paul's epistle to the Romans)   Also "5  Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" Titus 3:5 KJV

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3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Liberals are already whipping up a frenzy of hatred against the Indians

the Liberals using the Indians as a shield for their treason, is making the Indians a target of revanchism already

Really? I've been listening to you people whine about the left destroying civilization since I was a kid and I haven't seen a single finger lifted in revanchist action. Keystrokes on your mom's computer doesn't cut it.

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Just now, eyeball said:

Really? I've been listening to you people whine about the left destroying civilization since I was a kid and I haven't seen a single finger lifted in revanchist action. Keystrokes on your mom's computer doesn't cut it.

I have no quarrel with the Indians

I am simply warning of the peril that the Liberals are dragging them into

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