The Left is Destroying Western Civilization

[blackbird]

So how is the left wrecking Canada from a tax point of view?  

"Canada is on an unsustainable fiscal path as governments, particularly the federal government, expand existing programs while adding new ones without being honest with Canadians about the ultimate need for broad-based tax increases to pay for them. The Trudeau solution from day one has been to borrow, which simply defers the tax bill to the future.

And the bill is already starting to come due. Ottawa expects to spend $43.3 billion next year solely on interest on the national debt. That’s more than it spends on employment insurance, the Canada Child Benefit or the Canada Social Transfer, and almost as much as total health transfers to the provinces ($49.3 billion).

The financial pressures from new spending, coupled with increasing debt and interest costs, will eventually force a decision on governments and Canadians more broadly. If we want larger government, we’ll have to pay the price in the form of higher taxes. As Nobel laureate Milton Friedman often reminded us, there’s no such thing as a free lunch, not even for advocates of socialism."

Opinion: Four in 10 Canadians prefer socialism but not higher taxes to pay for it (msn.com)

It appears most Canadians are not very concerned by government spending.  That would explain why a core 29% of Liberal supporters continue to support Trudeau according to polls.  Even if Trudeau and his cohorts in the government travel abroad in large contingents of hundreds of people and one or more spend $6000 a night on a hotel, it doesn't seem to fizz on his core supporters.  They can do no wrong it seems.

Edited February 24, 2023 by blackbird

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not interested in attempts to paint whole groups as sharing in equal victimhood based on race or ethnicity.

Then why the whataboutism?

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 That’s a lazy copout.  Each person’s situation is different.  I’ll go along with the take that most students in Indigenous residential schools had a harder time than most students in non-Indigenous schools, but after that assumption you have to look at individuals.  I don’t think most Indigenous students were abused, unless you consider disciplinary methods like “the strap” abuse by yesterday’s standards.  If you do, then millions of children across ethnicities were abused.  Again, I’m not disputing that more Indigenous had it worse.

No you seem to be implying their ancestors were bad enough to negate the need to reconcile with them. 

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I’m curious to know what more you think must be done besides the payouts and dismantling of the rez school system. 

That's a good question.  Revolutions in the new world often trace their roots to indigenous aspirations and I think you and I  generally agree we need a pretty big shake up in how we govern ourselves so, it's an open question. 

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You know that Indigenous continue to choose to maintain the Indian Act with reservations and Indian status with concomitant benefits.  They must deem that there are aspects worth keeping.

 

Especially those aspects that actually state that First Nation's have right's that predate contact with our ancestors. There's plenty within the Act that is racist and deplorable and that need to be reformed and done away with but First Nation's are not quite ready to throw the bathwater out lest that all important baby go with it.

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However, the complexities of the Indian Act goes beyond racism. It also serves as a legislative tool by which to hold the federal government accountable for their legal responsibilities.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/abolishing-the-indian-act-means-eliminating-first-nations-rights/

 

 

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I imagine it burned your bottom to stop fishing once you hit your quota while Indigenous exceeded it.  Too bad for you.

Actually it was the way the Galen Westons and Jimmy Pattisons of the world exceeded everyone's quotas by lobbying of course, but you know how that goes.

It's been a real pleasure to see even them now having to finally submit to the new realities of who has first rights to the fish and who doesn't.  I see a bigger picture more clearly now.  I can still fish BTW and I've been asked to help 1st Nation's catch their quotas and train some of younger fishermen. They still lack the capacity and numbers of young people to go catch their quotas themselves.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think you need to hand over some fish. Y’know, reparations…

For what? Mocking you?

No, you clearly wouldn't last 5 minutes on any deck under my watch.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

For what? Mocking you?

No, you clearly wouldn't last 5 minutes on any deck under my watch.

Ha, you don’t know what I do or what I have handled, but that’s fine.  None of the discussion about Indigenous injustice is about me or what I want.  My only concern is getting it right.  When I hear inaccuracies and the inevitable painting of some people as angels and others as demons, when I know there was plenty of bad behaviour to go around, I have to call it out.  You don’t get to wear the victim shirt unless your individual story warrants it.  More often than not it isn’t as simple as good guys versus bad, and it often turns out that the wolf versus grandma show is a distraction from what’s really going on.  

Edited February 24, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You don’t get to wear the victim shirt unless your individual story warrants it.  

The victim shirt definitely fits better when you're a member of a small powerless nation that suffered injustice at the hands of a far larger more powerful nation and especially one that knew full well what it was doing was wrong.

Even then governments knew right by might wasn't enough and that international conventions required them to either get permission from the people who lived who already lived in the New World or to secure it by formal surrender. These didn't happen throughout much of BC and our legal systems continued to evolve in a direction that even hundreds of years ago was as inevitable as it was foreseeable.

Earlier you asked when will enough be enough.  The answer could well be when colonists are left dispossessed, bankrupt and marginalized at which point...well there's a reason why you often hear me identify as an Earthling with human rights. Can you guess why yet?

But I'm not really too worried about having to resort to that, as the chief next door said regarding treaty settlements hereabouts "There'll be no point to them if all they do is simply transfer the impoverishment in our community to your's". And as I've pointed out many times, treaty settlements are just about the biggest economic driver in my region.  For example we just had a survey crew who are laying out a new network of sidewalks and trails in the 1st Nation's village down the road rent our place while they were here and you heard me earlier talk about the lack of capacity that's still a challenge for many 1st Nations.

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More often than not it isn’t as simple as good guys versus bad, and it often turns out that the wolf versus grandma show is a distraction from what’s really going on.  

Yeah well, more often than not people miss the boat and new opportunities because they're angrily stuck in some old mode of thinking they can't let go of. Mine sank to the bottom of the inlet when I gave my head a shake and threw my loaded rifle overboard.  It was either that or make things even worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

I see you're playing that old trick of trying to flood people with mulitple responses in the hopes one gets missed and you can pretend you "won" or whatever LOL

I'll deal with all your ...er.... 'thinking' in one spot

 

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Really?  What's your case for saying that and have pitched it to anyone in a position to put a halt to reconciliation?  This could save us billions.

Facts.  And no it would save us nothing. The fact that there are issues on the first nations side doesn't change anything we'd owe.

I've explained this to you. I know it's difficult but try to pay attention.

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Well, your original belief WAS completely retarded so...go figure.

Ummm - you realize what i originally believed was that you thought the res schools were a bad thing. Soooo - believing you thought they were bad was 'retarded'?

You don't spend a lot of time thinking before you type do you.

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What post are you talking about?

ROFLMAO    Is THAT why you're posting multiple posts? Hoping i wont' be able to find where you were being stupid? Bad news ... they're all pretty much you being stupid

God you REALLY REALLY aren't very good at this It's like having my own trained monkey to watch

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't think he was a true Minister.  There are lots of false ministers.  The Bible warns us about them.  Wolves in sheep's clothing.  People claiming to be ministers and then preaching Socialism or Communism.

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Matthew 7:15 KJV)

the Bible is full of forgeries and contradictions

either you believe in the supernatural or you don't

Saul becomes Paul only by seeing the light over Damascus

no man nor office between you & the Almighty

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

The victim shirt definitely fits better when you're a member of a small powerless nation that suffered injustice at the hands of a far larger more powerful nation and especially one that knew full well what it was doing was wrong.

Even then governments knew right by might wasn't enough and that international conventions required them to either get permission from the people who lived who already lived in the New World or to secure it by formal surrender. These didn't happen throughout much of BC and our legal systems continued to evolve in a direction that even hundreds of years ago was as inevitable as it was foreseeable.

Earlier you asked when will enough be enough.  The answer could well be when colonists are left dispossessed, bankrupt and marginalized at which point...well there's a reason why you often hear me identify as an Earthling with human rights. Can you guess why yet?

But I'm not really too worried about having to resort to that, as the chief next door said regarding treaty settlements hereabouts "There'll be no point to them if all they do is simply transfer the impoverishment in our community to your's". And as I've pointed out many times, treaty settlements are just about the biggest economic driver in my region.  For example we just had a survey crew who are laying out a new network of sidewalks and trails in the 1st Nation's village down the road rent our place while they were here and you heard me earlier talk about the lack of capacity that's still a challenge for many 1st Nations.

Yeah well, more often than not people miss the boat and new opportunities because they're angrily stuck in some old mode of thinking they can't let go of. Mine sank to the bottom of the inlet when I gave my head a shake and threw my loaded rifle overboard.  It was either that or make things even worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good, you revealed your belief in confiscating property and money from Canadians alive today in order to give it to people with Indigenous status.  I have nothing to add.  

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Good, you revealed your belief in confiscating property and money from Canadians alive today in order to give it to people with Indigenous status.  I have nothing to add.  

You have nothing to subtract either because nothing private was confiscated to pay for land claims. The government was and still are buying back fishing licences from non-native fishermen, they're not just simply seizing the licences.

[Moonbox]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO    Is THAT why you're posting multiple posts? Hoping i wont' be able to find where you were being stupid? Bad news ... they're all pretty much you being stupid

God you REALLY REALLY aren't very good at this It's like having my own trained monkey to watch

The whole point of the quote function is to be able to directly refer to someone's comments, and deconstruct their reasoning.  

You've a pretty goofy tendency to just sort of make up the other poster's argument to suit your needs and argue against that, rather than actually argue or refer to (or quote) what they're saying.  That's undoubtedly why you think you're so smart.  Winning debates is so easy when you're actually just debating with yourself.  ?

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You have nothing to subtract either because nothing private was confiscated to pay for land claims. The government was and still are buying back fishing licences from non-native fishermen, they're not just simply seizing the licences.

Because everyone knows that tax money appears out of thin air and doesn’t come from workers.  Lol

Edited February 24, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Because everyone knows that tax money appears out of thin air and doesn’t come from workers.  Lol

You're paying the same price every other Canadian owes to cover decades and decades of government mismanagement and misgovernance going back even further than that.

I don't know why you think that's funny.

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

In any case, you have the tiresome habit of attempting to sweep away the need for reconciliation

I hear this word a lot lately In fact, the more I hear it the more distrustful natives seem to get towards the rest of us, and the less sympathetic the rest of us seem to get towards natives.

I myself used to have enormous sympathy for natives. 

Not. Any. More.

Edited February 24, 2023 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The whole point of the quote function is to be able to directly refer to someone's comments, and deconstruct their reasoning.  

T hat doesn't really explain your multiple posts does it

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You've a pretty goofy tendency to just sort of make up the other poster's argument to suit your needs and argue against that, rather than actually argue or refer to (or quote) what they're saying.  That's undoubtedly why you think you're so smart.  Winning debates is so easy when you're actually just debating with yourself.  ?

I literally quote what you're saying   Every time. the problem is once you realize what you said is wrong or foolish,  you try to change what you said. And that just doesn't work.

Which is why you have such a tough time addressing the actual argument. I asked a simple question - what did harper do to make you feel that there was a lack of transparancy.  And you couldn't answer that, so you tried to just post a list of gaffes or talking point issues from his time. And when i shot that down you basically just attack me.

All you're doing is proving my point and making yourself look bad - and that is NOT my fault.

And i love that you think i believe i'm 'so smart'    You've brought that up several times now and i haven't once said i was smart.  People who think that about others as you do about me generally are displaying an inferiority issue. It means YOU believe that I'm so smart. So you project that I believe the same.

LOL - thanks for telling me you believe i'm smarter than you without telling me   I'm sorry i intimidate you that much.  But honestly none of this is that complex, you are smart enough to do better if you actually THINK before you type a bit more.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

It appears most Canadians are not very concerned by government spending.  That would explain why a core 29% of Liberal supporters continue to support Trudeau according to polls.

If you read the story those Canadians who like socialism want someone else to pay for it, not them. That is not new. Canadians love government programs; the more the merrier, just as long as someone else pays for it.

[I am Groot]

Like I said, Black History Month is just performative bullshit designed by the Lib-Left to virtue signal and get votes.

Liberals shamefully turn celebration of Black history into a partisan affair

Meant to be an official Government of Canada celebration, the Black History Month reception at the National Arts Centre sure seemed more designed to be a partisan Liberal event

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sabrina-maddeaux-liberals-shamefully-turn-celebration-of-black-history-into-a-partisan-affair

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I literally quote what you're saying   Every time. the problem is once you realize what you said is wrong or foolish,  you try to change what you said. And that just doesn't work.

No you don't, and you've just been caught doing the same thing here with eyeball.  You haven't been here long, but you've already shown a pattern of trolling that's obvious to anyone with half a brain. 

It's the same thing every time.  You make up what someone else said, they tell you they never said it, and ask you to quote where they said it (which you can't), so you launch into long-winded ad hominem and emotional projection.  It's lame and it's boring and makes it clear you're not worth engaging.  

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No you don't,

Of course i do   And the only thing i've been "caught" at is pointing out the gross errors of your arguments and then your immedate freak outs after

Nobody is making up anything - those are your words and your sentiments and when they get pointed out you try to either pretend you said something different or change the channel.

Which is exactly what you're doing here.  Once again you couldn't address the argument and you're trying to attack me instead to cover the fact you couldn't refute what i said, 

You're beginning to convince me that you are right - I AM actually smarter than you

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're paying the same price every other Canadian owes to cover decades and decades of government mismanagement and misgovernance going back even further than that.

I don't know why you think that's funny.

As stated in the past, actions speak louder than words.  If it’s so important to you, you should cut a fat personal cheque to Indigenous.  

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody is making up anything - those are your words and your sentiments and when they get pointed out you try to either pretend you said something different or change the channel.

Quote them then!  ?

Eyeball asked you to, and you didn't do anything but call him stupid... 

You just make up what you want to argue against, and then when you're asked to reference the comments/sentiments you attribute to someone, you never do.  ?

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

As stated in the past, actions speak louder than words.  If it’s so important to you, you should cut a fat personal cheque to Indigenous.  

The left is always eager to spend other people's money to solve a problem   Personal responsibility isn't in the cards

Or imaginary dollars they can can just print. Money printer go brrrrrrrrr....

And then they wonder why we have economic issues

Ahhh well. The first nations demands and positions are getting more and more outrageous and i think that people are getting sick of it and sympathy is starting to fall ,

These are after all a people who keep voting liberal - and yet the liberals treat them the worst of any party. But yet - thanks for the donation!

it's getting to the point these days where you have to wonder if many in the first nations don't want 'reconciliation', but rather intend to use the bodies of their ancestors as a cheap theatrics in order to exploit them to extort money for themselves today. There certainly is a feeling of that when you read things like 'we should only consider one side's history and not the other when discussing reconciliation'.

It's all getting rather ghoulish.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

As stated in the past, actions speak louder than words. 

And our institutions are having account for their actions.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

If it’s so important to you, you should cut a fat personal cheque to Indigenous.

Why? Liability for our institutions is a collective one we're all responsible for. If anything you people who seem to think you bear no liability should pay an extra penalty for helping to drag out the process. Remember what I told you about water under the bridge? Why should I have to pay extra for the cost you add you everything? It's the same with climate change.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The left is always eager to spend other people's money to solve a problem   Personal responsibility isn't in the cards.

The issue is meeting our country's responsibility sometimes with our country's money. There's nothing in our Constitution or any legal precedents I'm aware of for an ideological or religious exemption from our collective responsibilities. The only way out really is to go back from wherever you or your folks came from. No one's forcing you either way.

[Zeitgeist]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The issue is meeting our country's responsibility sometimes with our country's money. There's nothing in our Constitution or any legal precedents I'm aware of for an ideological or religious exemption from our collective responsibilities. The only way out really is to go back from wherever you or your folks came from. No one's forcing you either way.

Everyone came from somewhere, including Indigenous.  Lots of invasions, wars, and displacements going back millennia.  Guess what, the settlers keep coming, 500,000 a year.  Do we require that they give stuff to the people who were born here?  Are Indigenous designated as the “get free stuff” group ad infinitum?

If you want to fund welfare prison camp two-tier citizenship, you can advocate for that while I advocate for equal treatment under the law and self determination without special treatment.  The culture of “We’ll take care of you because we know what you deserve” has created dependency and dysfunction.  That’s cultural genocide because it weakens peoples and puts them in human zoos.  Nothing is free, and until Indigenous can both make their own decisions and pay their own bills, real progress won’t happen.  Many Indigenous have already moved on from colonial arrangements and handouts.  

[Nefarious Banana]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

The victim shirt definitely fits better when you're a member of a small powerless nation that suffered injustice at the hands of a far larger more powerful nation . . . . . 

Are you referring to the predatory Haida that came down the coast to sh!tkick VI westcoast 'nations' and take slaves back north?  Maybe you (Ontario transplant) and your wife can get compensation from the Haida?