What's with these UFOs all of a sudden anyway?

[Iceni warrior]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

tailgate is in full effect

sunny & warm on the patio, February thaw

Tamnavulin Speyside Single Malt Tempranillo Cask Edition with Dortmunder chasers

striploin steaks grilling up on the deck

 

See you later at Hastur's.

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

It looks to be ramping up . . . . 

China and Russia pushing the boundaries, Biden and Trudeau perceived as weak and ineffectual.

Interesting times ahead . . . . hang on, we're going for a ride !

in Cold War parlance

World War Three starts

"when the balloon goes up"

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

Jewish space lasers.

MTG was right all along...

So.  Who cares about what that was?

 

And in other news, the US Air Force was let loose on another one, this time over Lake Huron. 
 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-officials-believe-flying-objects-over-alaska-canada-were-balloons-schumer-2023-02-12/

 

Edited February 12 by sharkman

[Dougie93]

23 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

We also don't need our own country, the British will make our laws for us.

Maybe, for once in our history, Canada can stand on its own two feet.  We are conditioned by hundreds of years of history not to be.

the Westminster Parliament in Ottawa is an inseparably British institution, founded by William III in 1688

as are HM Canadian Forces

the erasure of British Canada by the Liberals

has simply resulted in a meaningless Canada with no history, a big nothing

Edited February 13 by Dougie93

[Contrarian]

---> ABC News Posted a video report in regard to the most recent one, Lake Huron: 

[OftenWrong]

WTF is going on here.

"Octagonal object shot down over Lake Huron"

“We’re calling them objects, not balloons, for a reason,” said Air Force General Glen VanHerck, who safeguards U.S. airspace as head of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and Northern Command, told reporters.

Surveillance fears appear to have U.S. officials on high alert. Twice in 24 hours, U.S. officials closed airspace – only to reopen it swiftly.

On Sunday, the Federal Aviation Administration briefly closed space above Lake Michigan. On Saturday, the U.S. military scrambled fighter jets in Montana to investigate a radar anomaly there.

I also heard there another UFO was one sighted over South America.

[herbie]

Waiting for the guy on DISC channel to tell us that how we're lacking definitive proof these UFOs are Chinese the only logical conclusion is that they're ancient aliens and we've just started War of the Worlds...

[Contrarian]

A timeline according to the BBC:

4 February: US military shoots down suspected surveillance balloon off the coast of South Carolina. It had drifted for days over the US, and officials said it came from China and had been monitoring sensitive sites 

10 February: US downs another object off northern Alaska which officials said lacked any system of propulsion or control 

11 February: An American fighter jet shoots down a "high-altitude airborne object" over Canada's Yukon territory, about 100 miles (160 km) from the US border. It was described as cylindrical and smaller than the first balloon 

12 February: US jets shoot down a fourth high-altitude object near Lake Huron "out of an abundance of caution" 

Teams are working to recover the debris from the objects.  Helicopters and transport aircraft have been deployed to the frozen ice of the Beaufort Sea, off the northern coast of Alaska. 

Edited February 13 by Contrarian

[betsy]

15 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

It looks to be ramping up . . . . 

China and Russia pushing the boundaries, Biden and Trudeau perceived as weak and ineffectual.

Interesting times ahead . . . . hang on, we're going for a ride !

Not to mention North Korea.

If anything's going to happen - it will happen simultaneously.

[betsy]

Could these UFOs trigger an emp attack?  In the other forum, someone muses there might be an emp attack on USA just before China hits Taiwan.

[myata]

There can be a much simpler explanation much closer to home. Someone has been greatly disappointed of late with Western aid and arms slowing down their brutal invasion of a free independent country in Europe. Lacking the capacity and the nerve to attack NATO directly they just may have come up with this kind of annoyance strategy. A $100,000 missile wasted on a balloon stitched with snot and sh^t plus free publicity, sounds like a plan. NATO has been very careful around them, not to provoke of course (and that idea always worked great in the past) that just may explain the great conundrum of the origin of these aerial mysteries.

Edited February 13 by myata

[Dougie93]

13 hours ago, betsy said:

Could these UFOs trigger an emp attack?  In the other forum, someone muses there might be an emp attack on USA just before China hits Taiwan.

there seems to be some misunderstanding as to what an EMP attack entails

the EMP is created by donating a nuclear bomb in the ionosphere

the EMP is charged particles generated by a nuclear explosion

if the Chinese start detonating nuclear bombs over North America, the EMP would be the least of our problems

these balloons are only 60k ft above the ground

at that distance, it would simply be a nuclear attack

this would incite the Americans to launch their ICBM's

so that is not a winning plan for China

for the Chinese to launch a nuclear first strike against North America

they would have to destroy the American ICBM's in Montana, Wyoming & North Dakota

to destroy 450 Minuteman III's, they would have to hit them with nuclear bombs at ground level

this would require the Chinese to launch at least 900 nuclear warheads

with precision accuracy and complete surprise

the Chinese don't actually have enough missiles & warheads to pull that off

and they don't have the number of submarines required to achieve point blank no warning surprise

here's an NFB film from the Cold War which details what a nuclear first strike would be like

Edited February 13 by Dougie93

[Contrarian]

7 hours ago, Contrarian said:

A timeline according to the BBC:

4 February: US military shoots down suspected surveillance balloon off the coast of South Carolina. It had drifted for days over the US, and officials said it came from China and had been monitoring sensitive sites 

10 February: US downs another object off northern Alaska which officials said lacked any system of propulsion or control 

11 February: An American fighter jet shoots down a "high-altitude airborne object" over Canada's Yukon territory, about 100 miles (160 km) from the US border. It was described as cylindrical and smaller than the first balloon 

12 February: US jets shoot down a fourth high-altitude object near Lake Huron "out of an abundance of caution" 

Teams are working to recover the debris from the objects.  Helicopters and transport aircraft have been deployed to the frozen ice of the Beaufort Sea, off the northern coast of Alaska. 

The head of the US Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), General Glen VanHerck, said regarding the recent 3 series of unidentified objects shot down by US warplanes, that he cannot rule out at this time that it was aliens or some other explanation", reports Reuters.

😄 The General has great humor. He probably kept a straight face when he said it too. 

"We call them objects and not balloons for a reason," the American military official pointed out after. 

---> The new brand of the communist machine in Beijing said that 10 balloons invaded China, blaming the United States. The White House denied the allegations. 

Aliens? 😄

Edited February 13 by Contrarian
added detail about the CCP

[WestCanMan]

On 2/11/2023 at 6:28 PM, PIK said:

No, Biden phoned him and told him what was going to happen. Lol

This was one of those "You can put on your war stockings and pretend that you went silverback vs the balloon because we need another sovereign country to talk tough about balloon-shooting." It's a win/win for Biden and the turd, and the MSM will hail it as a major victory no matter what.

If Trump shot down those balloons it would be called an act of nuclear aggression against our trading partners, and the balloons would be called "The beloved freedom symbols of the Chinese people."

[Aristides]

 

Seems NORAD is changing their criteria when it comes to radar returns and now monitoring things that were ignored or filtered out before because they were so slow. Most air traffic control uses SSR which really just sees the transponders carried by aircraft.

[Tony Hladun]

The lack of information here leaves one with fear and conspiracy theories.  Before they shoot the objects down, why don't the jets do a flyby and tell us what they see?  Are US pilots so dumb that they can't recognize an object?  Take a picture with a smartphone!  This is fear mongering by our governments at the highest level.

As he says in this clip

   

 

Edited February 13 by Tony Hladun

[Zeitgeist]

Feels like a way of making a case for expanding the military industrial complex.

[eyeball]

Octogons, cylinders, objects the size of cars? Sounds like the US is finally shooting at these mysterious little blips we've seen in grainy video clips.  These things are Chinese?  Okay.

I can't help but wonder what scientists have to say about it? I guess military scientists can't wait to get their hands on these things.

[Contrarian]

Some Satire from The New Yorker:

Extraterrestrials Admit Responsibility for Unidentified Objects but Claim They Were Only Monitoring Weather. 

The revelation appeared in an official statement released to the American media by an organization calling itself the Intergalactic Command Force.

“The I.C.F. has, over the past several years, launched a series of surveillance craft that have hovered over the United States,” the statement read. “We can assure you that we did this only to advance our understanding of weather conditions in your country.”

The aliens admitted that they were “surprised” that their high-altitude objects had gone undetected for so long.

“Given that the Pentagon has an annual budget of eight hundred billion dollars, we never dreamed it would take them years to notice us,” the statement read. 😄

Edited February 13 by Contrarian
grammar

[Contrarian]

5 hours ago, Contrarian said:

The head of the US Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), General Glen VanHerck, said regarding the recent 3 series of unidentified objects shot down by US warplanes, that he cannot rule out at this time that it was aliens or some other explanation", reports Reuters.

😄 The General has great humor. He probably kept a straight face when he said it too. 

"We call them objects and not balloons for a reason," the American military official pointed out after. 

---> The new brand of the communist machine in Beijing said that 10 balloons invaded China, blaming the United States. The White House denied the allegations. 

Aliens? 😄

Just a quick update, The United States officially stated via the White House that there is no indication of alien activity.

😄

The General is famous, he can write a book now after he retires. I wonder how many vans from UFO conspiracy folks from Area 51 departed up north in the last few days?

Why would aliens want to visit us anyways?! 😃

Edited February 13 by Contrarian
grammar

[I am Groot]

I rather doubt the US would be shooting at anything they couldn't identity, particularly if they had even the most remote suspicion it might be ET. Not unless ET had proved violently hostile already without anyone telling us, anyway.

[Aristides]

I’m sure a civilization so advanced they could reach us across intergalactic space would send something so rudimentary as a balloon that could be easily shot down by backward humans.

[Dougie93]

On 2/11/2023 at 8:59 PM, blackbird said:

What is also strange is why does NORAD (the U.S. and Canadian forces) need the approval of Trudeau to shoot it down?  If it is a threat, why does the Canforces need to run around looking for Trudeau to ask him if it is ok to shoot it down?  Shouldn't the officers in the Canforces have the authority to make a decision like that?  It is a relatively trivial thing anyway.  Or have we become a one-man government and defence force?

NORAD is divided into three regional Commands

Continental NORAD Region ( CONR ) for the CONUS

Canadian NORAD Region ( CANR ) for Canada

Alaska NORAD Region ( ANR ) for Alaska

the Government of Canada retains authority over Canadian NORAD Region

in a time sensitive situation, if the Prime Minister cannot be reached, they go the next highest ranking official

the Minister of National Defence

if the MND cannot be reached, it goes to the Chief of Defence Staff

if the CDS cannot be reached

then Deputy Commander NORAD, who is always a Canadian,  at Colorado Springs, makes the call for Canada

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

NORAD is divided into three regional Commands

Continental NORAD Region ( CONR ) for the CONUS

Canadian NORAD Region ( CANR ) for Canada

Alaska NORAD Region ( ANR ) for Alaska

the Government of Canada retains authority over Canadian NORAD Region

in a time sensitive situation, if the Prime Minister cannot be reached, they go the next highest ranking official

the Minister of National Defence

if the MND cannot be reached, it goes to the Chief of Defence Staff

if the CDS cannot be reached

then Deputy Commander NORAD, who is always a Canadian,  at Colorado Springs, makes the call for Canada

I would hate to think Trudeau is the leader of Canada's defence in any serious situation.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I would hate to think Trudeau is the leader of Canada's defence in any serious situation.

idk, Trudeau actually seems to be quite aggressive

he did after all declare martial law and crush any opposition against himself during the Freedom Convoy

that is what Napoleon Bonaparte would have done, and did in fact do, at Paris on 5 October 1795

when it  comes to killing people as necessary in a war, I think Trudeau could get that done