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27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Your post is hilarious. 

Frameworks for looking at economic activity are necessarily fact based, unlike religion and its metaphysical cousins like astrology, and unlike the self-fulfilling fantasies of conspiracy populism that many on this board immerse themselves in.

People who are afraid of facts will start on square one by demonizing ideas as a signal to others who also refuse to learn how to discuss things intelligently.

populism is a necessary and highly effective counterrevolutionary measure against the Champagne Socialist elites

Marshall McLuhan's Guerrilla Information War

 

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48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What we do know is that we’re less free because of the Trudeau government and his government will make us less free if they can.  That’s crystal clear.  Digital ID is an additional enforcement tool for whatever this overreaching interventionist government deems acceptable. 

Except that Alberta already did it.

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

They want to understand us so they can lower risk, increase sales, achieve goals, get elected. etc 

The information is going to exist, and probably going to be public at some point.

Only if we let it happen.

We have a charter right against government search and seizure.  This keeps the government out of our closets and bedroom drawers.  It should also keep them out of our bank accounts.  This right came to pass because police under tyrannical kings and queens used to come into our homes and search whatever they wanted (no warrants back then).

We have no rights against corporations.  They made a law saying we have to consent to internet cookies.  So there's that i guess.

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3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Only if we let it happen.

We have a charter right against government search and seizure.  This keeps the government out of our closets and bedroom drawers.  It should also keep them out of our bank accounts.  This right came to pass because police under tyrannical kings and queens used to come into our homes and search whatever they wanted (no warrants back then).

We have no rights against corporations.  They made a law saying we have to consent to internet cookies.  So there's that i guess.

Lot of wrong on this.  Some of what you want to do is overreach, some isn't practical.  And you can just click NO when they offer cookies.  That's why the option is there.

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4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Populism is not a measure or response.  It's a social trend that works within a larger strategy, when it's engaged.

The Liberals are elitist yuppies who think they know what's best for everyone.  

Populists appeal to the concerns of the common voter, for better or worse.  I'd prefer Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton.

Online harms bill. Treating us like children?  Depends on the details, we'll see when it comes out.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You do, though.

You do not have to use government services, but I doubt you will have a happy, long life without it.

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You're posting Tiktok videos from basic bozos using face filters.  As sourcing goes, it couldn't get much dumber than this.  

Is she complaining about government control on a Red Chinese platform? (I don't click on links)

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6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Lot of wrong on this.  Some of what you want to do is overreach, some isn't practical.  And you can just click NO when they offer cookies.  That's why the option is there.

I have proposed nothing new.  Guarantees against search and seizure is already in the Charter.  Basic due process and human rights.

Yes we can click no.  Only because government made a law requiring that choice.

If you want to share all your info with the world you should have that choice too.  I click no.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Except that Alberta already did it.

Alberta and B.C. are using Digital ID to access government services that are available online.

That is not what the girl on Twitter is talking about.

 

44 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You do not have to use government services, but I doubt you will have a happy, long life without it.

Is she complaining about government control on a Red Chinese platform? (I don't click on links)

The video is on a Twitter feed although originally may have been on Tik Tok.  Should be safe to click on.  Her comments are opposed to Communism.   She is talking about far more than government services.

Without even reading or listening to these articles, how are going to make any intelligent comments about them?

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

First of all, stop saying this could happen.  It's happening now, Alberta has a digital ID and all concerns about that are valid.

Secondly, it's an actual conspiracy so it's even more important to not muddy the issue with silliness.

 

Lastly, erase Trudeau from this: ALL parties, right and left, make use of this to manage power and security.

Harper's surveillance bill wasn't THAT long ago surely.

Not sure what all the fear is about, we have had chipped cards for a long time, a card to access health care, to drive, boat, proof of insurance, all in cards or ID.  and what is so different from actual ID to digital. Reason i ask is becasue there is so much info out there right now and some of it are on the fringe, one does not know what is true or false... 

Secondly we discussed the WEF in detail, and you described them as just a economic group with little to no influence in global affairs, and yet the video provided mentions a WEF diagram, about how digital ID will be used to control the populace, in many forms. 

On other webs sites they describe digital ID being used to further control climate change, where the government sets our individual carbon footprint, and all material items we purchased are assigned a carbon price , once you go over your total carbon total you pay an extra carbon fee...I find it concerning that all these measures or suggestions are tied back to the WEF programs. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You do not have to use government services, but I doubt you will have a happy, long life without it.

Is she complaining about government control on a Red Chinese platform? (I don't click on links)

Not sure if that is even possible going off grid form the nation..., unemployment ins, CPP, income tax, driver lic, veh registration, land taxes, sale of vehs, purchase of land, access to health care, 

Maybe it is possible , but why would you forgo say CPP, or governmental pension, why give that up...just so you don't need a ID.. I worked hard for those pensions, and i have given the government enough money in my life time, i'd like to collect some of it.. 

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10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't really understand what digital government ID would be used for online. 

Like I said before, it's a slippery slope thing.

It begins where it is now. They'll tell you it's something for your benefit. The government of Canada says it will fix the nuisance of having to produce multiple IDs to multiple operators to get things done.

https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/digital-government/living-digital/digital-id.html

The Canadian Bankers association tells you it will give you better security.

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  • Privacy Enhancing - Privacy and security of personal identification is a growing concern. A digital ID system enhances privacy and puts greater control of identity back into the hands of the consumer. Unlike physical documents, digital ID can be standardized and used between entities with the ability to adapt by adding new information. Moreover, only one version of your identity exists, significantly reducing the potential for misinformation, identity theft or the use of outdated data that does not reflect your current identity.

https://cba.ca/embracing-digital-id-in-canada

But did you catch the key little bit there?

"digital ID can be standardized and used between entities with the ability to adapt by adding new information"

 This is not something as simple as say producing a PIN number. It's an ID that will allow government and services to share info between entities.

It's not really about the ID. It's about the centralized database of the citizenry shared between entities that will be required to make the system work the way the controllers at the top will want it to.

The WEF stands hard in favour of it.

How will they bring it in and slippery slope it to connect with more entities?

In Saskatchewan they objected at first but after being told they'd miss out on Federal cash give-outs they agreed to a centralized data-base.

https://paherald.sk.ca/will-scott-moe-stand-up-for-sask-people-on-digital-id/

So how can it be used online, you asked? Well it's all online, But take bill C-11, for example. Right now they're just talking about "protecting" select targets like Canadian content producers. How long before they want "protect" you from your ISP and any social media you belong to? And keep remembering they want to "protect" you between entities. Next they connect the database and the attached database to energy to "protect" you from "global warming" abusers.

And on it goes.

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6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Like I said before, it's a slippery slope thing.

It begins where it is now. They'll tell you it's something for your benefit. The government of Canada says it will fix the nuisance of having to produce multiple IDs to multiple operators to get things done.

https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/digital-government/living-digital/digital-id.html

The Canadian Bankers association tells you it will give you better security.

https://cba.ca/embracing-digital-id-in-canada

But did you catch the key little bit there?

"digital ID can be standardized and used between entities with the ability to adapt by adding new information"

 This is not something as simple as say producing a PIN number. It's an ID that will allow government and services to share info between entities.

It's not really about the ID. It's about the centralized database of the citizenry shared between entities that will be required to make the system work the way the controllers at the top will want it to.

The WEF stands hard in favour of it.

How will they bring it in and slippery slope it to connect with more entities?

In Saskatchewan they objected at first but after being told they'd miss out on Federal cash give-outs they agreed to a centralized data-base.

https://paherald.sk.ca/will-scott-moe-stand-up-for-sask-people-on-digital-id/

So how can it be used online, you asked? Well it's all online, But take bill C-11, for example. Right now they're just talking about "protecting" select targets like Canadian content producers. How long before they want "protect" you from your ISP and any social media you belong to? And keep remembering they want to "protect" you between entities. Next they connect the database and the attached database to energy to "protect" you from "global warming" abusers.

And on it goes.

All part of the woke score. 

It's fine until you have a view that they don't like. 

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5 hours ago, West said:

Right she doesn't have a liberal arts degree like Moonshine ?

That's not my degree, but it's so on-brand that you would rush to defend this sort of rubbish.  It'd almost be funny, but then it's you, so it's just boring.  ?

This video could have been using cat-girl filters and you'd have still been nodding your head vigorously and taking it super seriously, so long as it said something something "TRUDEAU MAN BAD".  

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4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You do not have to use government services, but I doubt you will have a happy, long life without it.

Is she complaining about government control on a Red Chinese platform? (I don't click on links)

Have you ever heard about the woman whose parents didn't get her a birth certificate?  It was in the US.  You couldn't work legally, her citizenship was in question.. you don't want to live like that completely cut off.

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4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I have proposed nothing new.  Guarantees against search and seizure is already in the Charter.  Basic due process and human rights.

Yes we can click no.  Only because government made a law requiring that choice.

If you want to share all your info with the world you should have that choice too.  I click no.

Ok. But you can't not pay taxes.  And they're fine with setting new taxes and rates as they like....

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

It's just another small step towards digital enslavement.

Soon AI will convince you it's a good thing.

I also have trouble understanding what the difference is between digital ID and a SIN #.

The sharing of data between large organizations, including private ones, is something that I can see issues with.  But not the fact that the data exists in silos to begin with.

And the government is the biggest silo.  They know the most, but they always have.

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28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I also have trouble understanding what the difference is between digital ID and a SIN #.

The sharing of data between large organizations, including private ones, is something that I can see issues with.  But not the fact that the data exists in silos to begin with.

And the government is the biggest silo.  They know the most, but they always have.

Spoken like a government bureaucrat.  Did you find anything wrong with Trudeau’s government reaching into banks and turning off people’s access to their own money?

Because that’s where this is going.

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This is all a tempest in a teapot. I'm not worried because Canadian and American culture does not lend itsself to tyranny. Since the arrival of the French and British a little over 400 years ago, we have never had tyranny. 

Currently, on the one hand, we demand law and order and press the government to "do something," yet we make it increasingly difficult for law enforcement to do that. The enemy of justice is Perry Mason. Earl Stanley Gardner indoctrinated us with the ideology that every accused person was innocent. While they have the presumption of innocence, it is becoming harder and harder to obtain search warrants, to have survailance of crimminal activity, and to ensure the public is protected from dangerous individuals. A colleague of mine was sanctioned because, while searching a vehicle for open alcohol, he found illegal drugs. The drugs were concealed in a place that would not contain alcohol. He went beyond the perametres of the designated search and the case was thrown out.

The key to having law and order in a free society begins in the recruiting and training process. When a police officer is solidly grounded in Peel's nine principles and professionalism, we don't need all the hoops and hurdles imposed on law enforcement.

It is important to remember, it is not the potential jail time that deters a criminal. It is the certainty of getting caught. Intelligence gathering and survailance makes living in a safe and free society possible, providing we invest in creating and maintaining a professional police service.

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