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Canada passes controversial Bill C-11 (Trudeau's unacceptable views bill)


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“The idea of any hierarchical politico deciding what a man or woman is allowed to write to fit a proscribed national agenda is a horrid thing. I am wondering if anyone on the staff of our Minister of Canadian Heritage understands this.”

“I think, overall, we have lately become a land of scapegoaters and finger pointers, offering accusations and shame while believing we are a woke society. Cultural committees are based as much in bias and fear as in anything else.”

“No decree by the CRTC could, in any way, tell us what Canadian content should or should not be, or who should be allowed to bob their heads up out of the new murkiness we have created. "

Rex Murphy: Trudeau-appointed senator gets it right in condemning government censorship (msn.com)

This C11 is right out of Orwell's book 1984 where big brother watches and controls every inch of everyone's life.

"There was no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.  How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork." Orwell's book "1984". 

This is what we can expect from the highly-paid bureaucrats in the CRTC who will be authorized and expected to carry out this mandate.

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10 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's not loony at all to laugh at, mock and dismiss ridiculous criticism and critics when they habitually ask for it.

Take your ridiculous habit of comparing Hitler and Trudeau for example.

Do you still work on the board of the regional district that condemns people that slept in a vehicle in the town of Tofino instead of paying for accommodation in the ridiculously high-priced resorts?  Do they actually send the police after people who camp in the wilderness in the area?

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24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1. Really???????????   So you actually hold the Orwellian belief that government has the right to tell me that I have the right to freedom of expression?

2. Well, thank you sir for being so benevolent and allowing me to believe I receive this freedom from the government.  I didn't know I needed their permission to have it.

1. I don't understand this sentence.  Of course you have the right, and it's good if government restates that.

2. Do you know where our legal rights come from? Here's a hint.. the word legal is right in there.  And who passes laws?

 

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5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Do you know where our legal rights come from? Here's a hint.. the word legal is right in there.  And who passes laws?

Wow!!!  Well, thank you again sir for telling me my right to speak comes from the government.   I would never have realized my very existence and right to breath, speak and everything else was due to the benevolence of our big brother, the Trudeau government.

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"How often, and on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire (computer terminal?) was guesswork.  It was even conceivable that they watched everyone all the time.  But at any rate they would plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.  You had to live--did live--from habit that became instinct--from the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."  Orwell's book, 1984.

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6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1. Wow!!!  Well, thank you again sir for telling me my right to speak comes from the government.   

2. I would never have realized my very existence and right to breath, speak and everything else was due to the benevolence of our big brother, the Trudeau government.

1. You're welcome.  I'm guessing you think it comes from God.  That's really no help for us sensible agnostics.

2. I would thank the BNA act.

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2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

  Orwell's book, 1984.

Orwell is so over quoted and misunderstood.

 

He was a hard left socialist by today's standards who supported government control beyond what the NDP campaigns on.

He thought socialism was “present society with the worst abuses left out”.

 

This is the guy you're evoking because the government wants to harness big tech.

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25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Do you still work on the board of the regional district that condemns people that slept in a vehicle in the town of Tofino instead of paying for accommodation in the ridiculously high-priced resorts?  Do they actually send the police after people who camp in the wilderness in the area?

No that would be in the municipality of Tofino.  Encampments and raves etc in the Reg. Dist. are generally condemned and police get involved when the crowds start getting into the hundreds of people.  Local 1st Nations patrol the area and gates on the roads are locked at night.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You're welcome.  I'm guessing you think it comes from God.  That's really no help for us sensible agnostics.

2. I would thank the BNA act.

1. Rights are inalienable. You are born with them. 

We farm out things like road maintenance. In exchange, we expect that our money given through taxation is going to go towards certain things ie building a new road. We don't expect money to be used to control thought or speech. That's the tradeoff. 

In recent years, left wing governments have crept and crept into education, licensing bodies etc... politics is useless as decisions are made by unelected marxists in these positions... the system needs to be torn down as you have some anti-freedom folks now imposing Marxism on the masses through various institutions. Leftism is a dangerous cult that should be swiftly dealt with

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

No that would be in the municipality of Tofino.  Encampments and raves etc in the Reg. Dist. are generally condemned and police get involved when the crowds start getting into the hundreds of people.  Local 1st Nations patrol the area and gates on the roads are locked at night.

You are talking about wilderness areas that do not belong to FN. These are areas that FN claim as their "traditional areas" around such places as Kennedy Lake, a very large uninhabited area.   FNs claim the whole province of B.C. as their "traditional areas".  They do not own the province or the areas around the west coast and Tofino. 

But politicians in Tofino and regional district are sucking up to FN, putting them on the regional district board and generally caving into their red power demands.   They are essentially using FN red power people to intimidate tourists and campers to force them out of the area.  That is criminal. Since when have you stood up for the public on the regional district board? 

 Also banning people from camping in the wilderness is a violation of freedom of movement and is being done to try to force a few more people to go into Tofino and pay to stay in their high-priced west coast resorts.  The whole thing is crooked coersion. 

There are no hundreds of people or raves.  That is highly doubtful and is probably a lie by the extortionists. A group of people who want to camp in the bush is not a rave.  That is a fake claim. Don't forget the area is a highly desirable tourist destination because of Long Beach and the west coast scenery, fishing, whale watching, etc., and does not belong exclusively to the resort owners and business people in Tofino.  Who are you representing on the regional district?  Not the ordinary people who don't have a fortune for the resorts.

Apparently they are not even allowing anyone to sleep in their vehicle in Tofino.  It is an extortion racket.

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Orwell is so over quoted and misunderstood.

No it is not over quoted.  I have not even heard it quoted once on this forum.  Making things up again are we?

The famous author George Orwell was visionary when he wrote that book.  Who would have predicted even the existence of the internet when he wrote that book?  

Who would have thought when Orwell wrote that book that the Thought Police would use a wire to spy on people?  That was incredible insight.  That is exactly what is happening with the internet which runs on wires throughout the telecommunications system.

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We have a charter right to free speech (with a few exceptions) but not the right to be heard. Social media platforms make use of algorithms which extract relevant information based on what it perceives we want to read, hear, or see. If the government can force the platforms to change those algorithms to its liking, then it can dramatically affect what we do read, hear, and see in more ways than one.  If it's politically unwise to mess around with free speech, this would be the next best thing. I agree with Mike that the government should make crystal clear on what its intentions are. Or why were so many amendments (12) necessary for the senate to pass the bill?

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6 minutes ago, suds said:

We have a charter right to free speech (with a few exceptions) but not the right to be heard. Social media platforms make use of algorithms which extract relevant information based on what it perceives we want to read, hear, or see. If the government can force the platforms to change those algorithms to its liking, then it can dramatically affect what we do read, hear, and see in more ways than one.  If it's politically unwise to mess around with free speech, this would be the next best thing. I agree with Mike that the government should make crystal clear on what its intentions are. Or why were so many amendments (12) necessary for the senate to pass the bill?

Governments are seldom honest on what their intentions are..you just have to accept with blind faith that its in your best interest

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51 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No it is not over quoted.  I have not even heard it quoted once on this forum.  Making things up again are we?

The famous author George Orwell was visionary when he wrote that book.  Who would have predicted even the existence of the internet when he wrote that book?  

Who would have thought when Orwell wrote that book that the Thought Police would use a wire to spy on people?  That was incredible insight.  That is exactly what is happening with the internet which runs on wires throughout the telecommunications system.

We badly need re-education camps for all the lefty loonies that have infiltrated our institutions

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm guessing you think it comes from God.  That's really no help for us sensible agnostics.

The government has already proven they are anti-God and anti-Bible morality when they passed laws celebrating and protecting certain classes of people, who identify as non-binary, from anything that anyone might consider as hate speech.  So for the government to bring in a bill to control speech on the internet is just another step in the direction of control of what Canadians can say, even if it contradicts their religious beliefs.  You are obviously OK with that.  

Canada Forces Government Speech and Bans Bible Verses | Answers in Genesis

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"Now what do “discrimination, hate propaganda and hate crimes” mean? The Ontario Human Rights Code mandates “the use of genderless pronouns on request.” Does this mean those who do not agree with transgender ideology and decline to use genderless pronouns will be convicted of hate crimes? If a pastor quotes from Scripture and condemns homosexual behavior as sinful, as the Bible does, is that a hate crime? Is it “hate propaganda” for someone to share God’s truth that we were created male and female (Genesis 1:27) to a friend who is thinking about transitioning from one gender to another? Telling people they are wrong can be offensive, even if done in the most gentle and loving way possible. Will offense be the standard by which we judge hate crimes?

Telling people they are wrong can be offensive, even if done in the most gentle and loving way possible.

Groups against this new bill claim this is “government mandated speech” and that “this law will not be used as some sort of 'shield' to defend vulnerable transsexuals, but rather as a weapon with which to bludgeon people of faith and free-thinking Canadians who refuse to deny truth.”

Canada Forces Government Speech and Bans Bible Verses | Answers in Genesis

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On 2/2/2023 at 8:31 PM, West said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/senate-passes-liberals-controversial-online-streaming-act-with-a-dozen-amendments-1.6258138

Trudeau now regulates views he doesn't like. 

One more step toward this utopian leftist world where only they are allowed to speak 

We always knew he was doing that, but it seems as though the senate is removing some of the more fascist items in the bill.

If Trump and the GOP put forward the exact same bill, CTV wouldn't have failed to notice the attacks on free speech and the undemocratic control over political dialogue. But it's sock-boy, so they feel like a bit bit of fascist overreach is ok now.

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Senators made amendments intended to protect user-generated content and highlight the promotion of Indigenous languages and Black content creators.

Screw the Chinese creators, Indo-Canadians, Jews, Hindus, and crackers, right Justin? 

Soon we will have to put disclaimers on our posts: **Be advised that the creator of this content is white, and if you click on his post then you might see some ads, in which case that terrorist cracker will get some money which he will undoubtedly use to buy more slaves.**

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