Can political opponents have a civilized conversation about education?

[West]

15 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You’re the one bringing up these ridiculous sexual nonsense accusations. 

Third graders can come up with better arguments than “Everybody who disagrees with me is wrong cause they’re a pervert. Duh-yuh-duh-der.”  

 

[reason10]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 

My cartoon explained to you a point about freedom of speech that you didn't get.

Your cartoons are dumb.

And yet, in their way, they do prove my point.

You don't believe in freedom of speech. And your cartoon is not only dumb, it's pathetic.

My cartoons are pretty accurate. They're funny too. And you liberals can't STAND being laughed at.

[robosmith]

39 minutes ago, reason10 said:

https://flgov.com/2022/03/15/governor-desantis-signs-groundbreaking-legislation-to-make-florida-a-national-leader-by-eliminating-high-stakes-testing/

Today’s announcement builds on a lengthy list of achievements in education that Florida has made since 2019:

• Florida has already risen to third in the nation for K-12 education according to Education Week. Florida eradicated Common Core and did so by elevating the quality and alignment of learning opportunities through creating Florida’s B.E.S.T. (Benchmarks for Excellent Student Thinking) Standards.
• Governor DeSantis, Commissioner Corcoran and the Legislature have continually secured the highest ever K-12 public school and per-pupil spending totals in Florida’s history.
• Marking the last few years as “The Year of the Teacher,” Governor DeSantis has elevated Florida as one of the top states in the nation in terms of starting teacher pay by securing approximately $2 billion in pay increases for teachers.
• With Commissioner Corcoran, Governor DeSantis provided a roadmap to make Florida’s standards number one in the nation, streamlined testing and massively invested in early learning, literacy and civics education like no other state in the nation.
• Florida was the first state in the nation to reopen schools in August 2020 and guarantee families had an in-person instructional option five days a week.

Neither YOU NOR the FL webpage YOU CITED contain a LINK to that Education Week website.

Here is what YOU AND Dethantis MISSED. Education Week

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State Overview

This year, Florida finishes 23rd among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, with an overall score of 75.6 out of 100 points and a grade of C. The nation as a whole posts a grade of C.

....

Early Foundations: Are Kids Getting Off to a Good Start?

For early foundations, which examines factors that help children get off to a good start, Florida earns a B-minus and ranks 41st. The average state posts a B.

School Years: How Are Students Faring in School?

Florida receives a B-minus for the school years, a sub-category focusing on metrics related to pre-K enrollment through postsecondary participation. It finishes 17th in the nation in this area. By comparison, the nation as a whole earns a C-plus.

....

School Finance: Grading the States on Spending and Equity

This year, Florida finishes 42nd among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, with an overall score of 68.5 out of 100 points and a grade of D-plus. The nation as a whole posts a grade of C.

...

Spending: How Much Are States Devoting to Education?

The spending metrics shed light on major questions, such as:

• What does the state spend per-pupil when adjusted for regional cost differences?
• What percent of students are in districts with per-pupil spending at or above the U.S. average?
• What share of total taxable resources are spent on education?

Across the spending indicators, Florida finishes with an F compared with a national average of D. Florida ranks 46th in the nation in this area.

...

Status: How Are Students Performing Today?

Measures in the status sub-category evaluate a state’s current performance. Florida receives a C in this area and ranks 12th in the nation. The average state earns a C-minus.

...

 

Change: Has State Achievement Improved Over Time?

The change sub-category examines a state’s improvement over time. In this area, Florida posts a C-plus and ranks second. The national average is a D-plus.

Equity: How Large Are Poverty-Based Gaps?

In the equity sub-section, states are graded based on disparities between low-income students and their more affluent peers. Florida’s grade on those poverty-gap measures stands at an A-minus. Nationally, it ranks fourth in this area. The nation as a whole receives a B-minus.

The ONLY areas FL ranks in the top 10 are improvement and equity. 

You know it's ALWAYS FISHY when you post claims with NO LINKS. LMAO

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, West said:

 

I think you’re the one with a sex problem.  Being tolerant of other people doesn’t make you a sex predator.  

[West]

30 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I think you’re the one with a sex problem.  Being tolerant of other people doesn’t make you a sex predator.  

Men shouldn't be showing off their junk in the women's change room. Not going to be tolerant of your perversions bud

[bcsapper]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

You don't believe in freedom of speech. And your cartoon is not only dumb, it's pathetic.

My cartoons are pretty accurate. They're funny too. And you liberals can't STAND being laughed at.

I have to admit I figured that, after my post, you would at least have some idea of what freedom of speech meant.

But still no, eh?

I suppose I am too quick to credit people with intelligence, even if only rudimentary.

My fault.

[WestCanMan]

On 1/29/2023 at 4:50 AM, Nationalist said:

So if I read this correctly, Messer is promoting private schooling and parental choice. That sounds reasonable. 

I also see the WAPO person tried immediately to drag the conversation to CRT, which Messer refused to engage in.

School choice is a good option in America...IMO.

Yup.

I think that vocational options should be more readily available for the kids who are just never gonna achieve good marks, but still want to have a decent life and are willing to work hard.

Edited January 31 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

In terms of the actual topic in general, the answer is an emphatic no, because education is such a wonderful wedge issue. Both parties always need that arrow in their quiver for times when things in general aren't going their way. 

Whenever one party is doing badly in some area they will always use things like the border (US), education, abortion, climate control, etc to distract people from the things that really matter like the economy, scandals, fascist overreach of a liberal/DNC gov't, etc. 

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, West said:

Men shouldn't be showing off their junk in the women's change room. Not going to be tolerant of your perversions bud

Nobody should be showing off their genitalia in a public rest room.  

[reason10]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Neither YOU NOR the FL webpage YOU CITED contain a LINK to that Education Week website.

Here is what YOU AND Dethantis MISSED. Education Week

The ONLY areas FL ranks in the top 10 are improvement and equity. 

You know it's ALWAYS FISHY when you post claims with NO LINKS. LMAO

You haven't posted any reliable links. Just a bunch of left wing OPINION rags.

At least I got you to the truth. I got you the facts, and FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

You haven't posted any reliable links. Just a bunch of left wing OPINION rags.

At least I got you to the truth. I got you the facts, and FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.

Education Week is a “left wing opinion rag”? What do you base your assessment on? Have you read it? Can You explain what material in the article is flawed?

[reason10]

15 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I have to admit I figured that, after my post, you would at least have some idea of what freedom of speech meant.

But still no, eh?

I suppose I am too quick to credit people with intelligence, even if only rudimentary.

My fault.

Your idea of freedom of speech is ANY speech you agree with being free. Any other speech and it has to be punished.

Seig Heil.

[reason10]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Education Week is a “left wing opinion rag”? What do you base your assessment on? Have you read it? Can You explain what material in the article is flawed?

You haven't posted Education Week. You posted a bunch of blue state rags that all claim THEIR schools are superior.

[reason10]

13 hours ago, Rebound said:

Nobody should be showing off their genitalia in a public rest room.  

I suppose a boy who thinks he's a girl but then RAPES a girl in a school bathroom should not be charged, huh? If that boy REALLY identifies as a girl?

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I suppose a boy who thinks he's a girl but then RAPES a girl in a school bathroom should not be charged, huh? If that boy REALLY identifies as a girl?

If anyone rapes anyone, they should be charged with a crime. I thought you studied law? Rape is non-consensual sex. The gender of the rapist is irrelevant.

At the Federal level, since 2012, the definition of rape is:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” 

Edited January 31 by Rebound

[reason10]

Just now, Rebound said:

If anyone rapes anyone, they should be charged with a crime. I thought you studied law? Rape is non-consensual sex. The gender of the rapist is irrelevant.

But your side of the aisle PERSECUTED the father, who brought that rape to the attention of the school board.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/13/alleged-rape-teen-girl-school-bathroom-tests-mcaul/

The political peril inflicted by Virginia Democratic gubernatorial nominee Terry McAuliffe’s education stances deepened this week when a father accused the Loudoun County School Board of covering up the rape of his teenage daughter in a high school bathroom.

The father was dragged out of a school board meeting and arrested when he attempted to confront the members about the assault of his daughter by a boy wearing a skirt in the girls’ bathroom.

The man was arrested for disorderly conduct, just because he exercised is FIRST FCKING AMENDMENT RIGHT to speak before the school board. Never mind he was REPORTED A FCKING SEX CRIME, one the school itself was partially and LEGALLY to blame.

 

[bcsapper]

45 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Your idea of freedom of speech is ANY speech you agree with being free. Any other speech and it has to be punished.

Seig Heil.

Wrong again!  I'm on record here as agreeing with Noam Chomsky's quote:

“If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all.”

So do you see how you are completely wrong? Again!

Edited January 31 by bcsapper

[Rebound]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In terms of the actual topic in general, the answer is an emphatic no, because education is such a wonderful wedge issue. Both parties always need that arrow in their quiver for times when things in general aren't going their way. 

Whenever one party is doing badly in some area they will always use things like the border (US), education, abortion, climate control, etc to distract people from the things that really matter like the economy, scandals, fascist overreach of a liberal/DNC gov't, etc. 

What are the educational subjects which Democrats try to censor or block? 
 

Seems to me there’s only one side trying to prevent students from being taught things such as… basic equality, when you get right down to it. 

[reason10]

14 minutes ago, Rebound said:

What are the educational subjects which Democrats try to censor or block? 
 

Seems to me there’s only one side trying to prevent students from being taught things such as… basic equality, when you get right down to it. 

What are EDUCATIONAL subjects are the Republicans trying to censor or block?

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

What are EDUCATIONAL subjects are the Republicans trying to censor or block?

AP African American History

”Don’t Say Gay”

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

You haven't posted Education Week. You posted a bunch of blue state rags that all claim THEIR schools are superior.

Robo posted a link to an article in Education Week and you replied that Education Week is, in your words, a “left wing opinion rag.”

Edited January 31 by Rebound

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

What are the educational subjects which Democrats try to censor or block? 

Biology.

Quote

Seems to me there’s only one side trying to prevent students from being taught things such as… basic equality, when you get right down to it. 

Yes - the Demis. You got one right. 

[Rebound]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Biology.

Yes - the Demis. You got one right. 

You’re full of shite on both counts. 
We aren’t stupid here, ok? You aren’t fooling us with this gaslighting of yours.  We know that DeSantis has passed laws prohibiting what can be taught in Florida schools and those things tie into equal rights for blacks and gays.  
 

And you can twist all the flowery text you want around it, but that’s what you’re doing. The upshot is the absurd notion that teaching students about sexual equality will make them homosexual and teaching students about racial equality will make them hate their own race. Both of these assertions are absurd and the real purpose of these attacks are to prevent gay and black people from having equality in our society. 

[taxme]

On 1/30/2023 at 7:02 AM, Contrarian said:

1. Yes, I have no problem teaching, a left behind @taxme how to share a link. If he contacts me, no names needs to be shared, I will help him how to attach to his garbage, a link. 

2. Of course they do not, this is how the anger built up on the other side, because of you and people like @Moonbox, "They don't have time for me". 

3. I do have time, I can look at a 3D sketch and already in 3-5 seconds know already what is wrong with it. The curse of someone getting a gift. What do you do with your gift? Ignore People? 

Why would I want to ask you for your liberal Marxist assistance, comrade? Your lefty liberal rudeness and ignorance that you have shown me above tells me that you are not worth my time of day. 

Telling me that I am "left behind" and that anything that I may wish to post here will all be just "garbage" anyway, says to me that my conservative opinions and points of view are pretty much all just garbage to you? But of course the Marxist garbage that you like to post here is supposed to be the gospel truth? Marxists never lie or bull chit. Ha-ha-ha. 

So, just what makes your lefty liberal garbage opinions and points of view that you post here any more important and better than mine, comrade? So, come on, man, show us some more of your ignorance. I will be waiting. 😀

[taxme]

23 hours ago, West said:

 

Is Trudeau at it again? Was Blackface not enough for the creep? 😀