Trudeau's mantra is "fighting climate change".

[Infidel Dog]

15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How about the late Professor Stephen Hawking.

Why does he have a recent study like Dr. Spencer's you'd like to show me?

[Infidel Dog]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

They would be wrong.

Finally...you get it.

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How about the late Professor Stephen Hawking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(meteorologist)#Peer-reviewed_articles_on_climate_change

Spencer is legit, as is Lindzen.  But they haven't published anything in 11-12 years and their theories have been countered in peer review.  The "Iris" theory was actually a real possibility but I think we should have seen it happen by now.  Instead, temperatures keep going up.

 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Man cannot control the climate.  There is no proof that man-made CO2 is having any effect on the climate.  Only speculation.  This is not empirical science.

Then why is there an international ban on using military weapons to affect the weather? You know damn well they did massive studies and test and actually used them in the 1960/70s don't you?
So when the proof that "man" can control the weather, how can you possibly deny that "man" could inadvertently, over the long term not affect the climate?
Especially after we realized it, endorse continuing to do so?

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of observation. You can create a physical model in any undergraduate lab in the country.

The real effects of climate change will be manifesting in the next couple of centuries. What we do now will have its true impact in the future. The anomolies we are experiencing now are just the tickle of what is to come. 

What do you mean by a "physical model?" Do they predict the future? Computer models don't.

You have faith in the coming climate apocalypse then. Good for you. If you have scientific method style science supporting it show me. 

Then I'll shake your hand  (digitally) and congratulate you because I haven't seen it yet. But don't you dare try to show me something like the experiment that shows 1 degree per doubling of CO2. We're talking specifically about human caused climate armagedon.

BTW there's no proof any of these what call anomalies (I assume you're talking about bad weather) are anything we haven't seen before.

 

[Infidel Dog]

23 minutes ago, herbie said:

Then why is there an international ban on using military weapons to affect the weather? You know damn well they did massive studies and test and actually used them in the 1960/70s don't you?
So when the proof that "man" can control the weather, how can you possibly deny that "man" could inadvertently, over the long term not affect the climate?
Especially after we realized it, endorse continuing to do so?

 

 

Man can affect the weather. For example: the well documented urban heat island effect.

He can't control it. Little bits maybe. He definitely can't control the climate.

Trudeau and Singh can shake hands and agree to drive Canada back to the stone age they won't save a single muskox or bring the temperature down .0001 of a degree.  

Edited January 18, 2023 by Infidel Dog

[herbie]

So you're going to play semantics that they can't "control" it so therefore they shouldn't do anything about affecting it, knowing well that we do?

The extent deniers will go to...

[Legato]

Is the climate changing, yes it it is, always has been, always will. I would be extremely worried if the climate stopped changing. Mans feeble attempts to stop it are laughable.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Legato

[Queenmandy85]

34 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

What do you mean by a "physical model?" Do they predict the future? Computer models don't.

I am not talking about computer models. I am referencing a physical model. You are aware that co2 and methane, amongst othe gases, inhibit the re-radiation of energy. If you increase the amount of CO2 or methane, less energy is re-radiated back into space. Any university lab will have the equipment to model this. But you can save yourself the time. It has been done many times in the past century and the results are predictable and measurable. 

The earth has heated up before, but when it occurred naturally, it was a slow process that changed the fauna to consume and sequester the excess CO2 etc. I guess that's why we have coal.

When climate changes too quickly, such as in Europe in the 4th-6th centuries, the result was a severe negative impact of humans. That was a small change in climate called the little ice age. We've gone over this ad infinitum in the past. As you say, I am growing tired of repeating myself. 

[Queenmandy85]

5 minutes ago, Legato said:

Is the climate changing, yes it it is, always has been, always will. I would be extremely worried if the climate stopped changing. Mans feeble attempts to stop it are laughable.

Then we should probably get in as many runs on the closest ski hill while we can. 

[Queenmandy85]

I think we should get used to Prime Minister Trudeau. He doesn't need to win as many seats as the CPC. He only needs to win enough seats that will put him in reach of government with support of the NDP, the Bloc and the Greens.

Mr. Poilievre needs to win a majority to be able to govern. If he doesn't get a majority, I don't see the Bloc or the NDP supporting him. 

He has two years to pick up seats in Toronto and Montreal. He is going to have to really modify his campaign ASAP. His hesitation in out performing Prime Minister Trudeau on the climate change mantra is going to be a problem. Because, when it comes down to it, it doesn't matter what Infidel Dod, Michael, Zeitgeist, or I say about climate change. It is what the voters in Liberal and NDP country say about it, that will determine Mr. Poilievre's future.

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How many of the prominent leaders in the CCF-NDP are ordained Christians. Woodsworth, Douglas, Knowles, Calvert, Prebble, Father Bob Ogle, Colin Clay, and Ben Smiley, just off the top of my head.

Charlie Angus is an active member of the Roman Catholic Church. Jagmeet Singh is a devoted Sikh.

So, you can't say the CCF-NDP is a party that rejects all moral and religious principles.

"5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away"  2 Timothy 3:5 KJV

These people never held to Biblical moral principles.  They were rejecters of the truth and lovers of the diabolical ideology of Socialism.  

[herbie]

And PP may well become the 3rd Tory in a row to lose because they have no legit climate policy.

And hopefully people are just smart enough to know Trudeau isn't the guy who sets the prices on the grocery shelves, SaveOn & Loblaws do, and that PP is totally beholden to them and their like. Not brainfart dumb like a certain country that thought a billionaire con-artist would work for betterment of the Working Joe...

[Infidel Dog]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I am not talking about computer models. I am referencing a physical model. You are aware that co2 and methane, amongst othe gases, inhibit the re-radiation of energy. If you increase the amount of CO2 or methane, less energy is re-radiated back into space. Any university lab will have the equipment to model this. But you can save yourself the time. It has been done many times in the past century and the results are predictable and measurable. 

The earth has heated up before, but when it occurred naturally, it was a slow process that changed the fauna to consume and sequester the excess CO2 etc. I guess that's why we have coal.

When climate changes too quickly, such as in Europe in the 4th-6th centuries, the result was a severe negative impact of humans. That was a small change in climate called the little ice age. We've gone over this ad infinitum in the past. As you say, I am growing tired of repeating myself. 

Sure, I'm familiar with all that. Richard Lindzen has a hypothesis that it's a negative feedback when you compute in cloud and sea surface temperature in his Iris hypothesis.

But if you have any information showing something is happening currently that suggests something more than 1 degree per doubling show me. You'll need more than 1 degree of warming per carbon dioxide doubling to make a climate doom projection work. You could use IPCC projections but I would say OK now show me something real world and not a computer modelled projection.

I don't know where you got this about the 4-6th century. Sounds interesting. Show me. The medieval warm period was around 900 to 1300 and it was period in which civilization advanced as happens in most warm periods

Edited January 18, 2023 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

It doesn't surprise me that you don't want to talk about the little ice age though. Following that is when it started to warm up again.

Hey, have you seen this new viral video where this comedian is talking to the Oxford Union, trying to rationalize the issue for the woke?

 

[blackbird]

Another useful thing about blaming mankind for climate change is it gives the governments an excuse to implement so-called "carbon taxes" and intervene in the economy.  This intervention is a cover for more Socialism and control of everyone and everything in society.  Climate alarmism is the most useful tool that was invented to convince people we need big government to save the planet.  More control, more globalism, more taxes, and less freedom.  The Church of Trudeau will save us.

Edited January 18, 2023 by blackbird

[Infidel Dog]

Yeah, and don't forget about all the other regulations and government controls that suggest they're necessary to thwart climate doom.

They'll kill us before the climate does.

[Queenmandy85]

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

These people never held to Biblical moral principles.  They were rejecters of the truth and lovers of the diabolical ideology of Socialism. 

Seven out of the first 8 I mentioned were / are ordained in the United Church of Canada.

I respect your knowledge of scripture, but I am unfamiliar with any Biblical prohibition against helping the poor and protecting the rights of working people. I would think that Jesus finds much of the NDP policy compliant with His own teachings. Christian theology, if I understand correctly, teaches us to share our worldly goods.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Seven out of the first 8 I mentioned were / are ordained in the United Church of Canada.

I respect your knowledge of scripture, but I am unfamiliar with any Biblical prohibition against helping the poor and protecting the rights of working people. I would think that Jesus finds much of the NDP policy compliant with His own teachings. Christian theology, if I understand correctly, teaches us to share our worldly goods.

"Socialism directly opposes everything about God, the Bible and Christianity. And it’s not difficult to see it if you’ve got an open mind.

Socialism is allied with the failed philosophy of materialism and the bankrupt religion of atheism. It destroys everything it touches.

Socialism destroys families, economies and nations. And more.

The Bible -both in the Hebrew Old Testament and Greek New Testament- builds up both the family and the nation. Every nation that has embraced the Bible has seen great and lasting benefits.

Followers of Jesus Christ have transformed the world through scientific, medical and technical achievements based on the Bible. They have transformed cities and nations with Biblical precepts.

Socialism does the opposite. Every time.

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

As for the United Church, that is not a real church.  It is one of the most anti-Bible churches around.

"In the United Church, acceptance of homosexuality was preceded by increasing tolerance of premarital sex and abortion and followed by approval of today’s full spectrum of LGBTQ+ identities."

The United Church and sexuality | Christian Courier

 

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I would think that Jesus finds much of the NDP policy compliant with His own teachings. Christian theology, if I understand correctly, teaches us to share our worldly goods.

Just to boil it down, Socialism is not what Jesus taught.  You are referring to personal charity which is what Jesus was referring to, not state ordained Socialism or Communism.  When the state takes by force from some people to redistribute to other people, that is Socialism or Communism, not the kind of charity Jesus was referring to.  True charity is a voluntary giving or helping of others.  Socialism (and Communism) are political systems that have nothing to do with personal voluntary charity.  The Bible is clear about private property when it says "thou shalt not steal".  Socialism and Communism are political ideologies that reject the right to own private property.  The state sets itself up as god and rejects God's commandments about stealing.  In such systems the state thinks it knows better and believes it has the right to redistribute wealth by force through laws and taxation.  

Where it gets more difficult or complicated is in the area of welfare.  One could make the argument that governments should help those in need and I don't think anyone would disagree with that.  But when the state goes beyond that, one must ask how far do you carry that?  When it gets to the point of Socialism, then it intrudes into every aspect of people's lives and wealth redistribution where people lose their freedom and earnings.  Then it becomes diabolical.

[herbie]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

When it gets to the point of Socialism, then it intrudes into every aspect of people's lives and wealth redistribution where people lose their freedom and earnings.

Spewing absolute nonsense again are we? We know you can't describe a single lost freedom, so we'll give you a chance. From a Christian prospective, explain to us how wealth redistribution and graduated tax scales are diabolical.

Hell from the prospective of any religion on Earth explain how helping the needy and regarding greed as a sin is bad.

Edited January 19, 2023 by herbie

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Finally...you get it.

One of us does.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 I would think that Jesus finds much of the NDP policy compliant with His own teachings. Christian theology, if I understand correctly, teaches us to share our worldly goods.

disagree

the NDP are Marxists who believe that man is God and Heaven can be made on Earth by Socialism

remember that Jesus did not say that the poor will receive their reward in this world

what He said was

"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh."

so you will hunger now, weep now, then in the next world,  you will ascend to another life

Christianity is not a promise of Socialist equality, only resurrection

you suffer,  as the individual, on the road to Calvary in the footsteps of the Savior

and by overcoming that suffering, your soul is made, in crucible

 

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 Christian theology, if I understand correctly, teaches us to share our worldly goods.

you don't understand correctly

if you believe you are going to be resurrected

that you are going to return whence you came, to the foot of the Lord

then your worldly goods are of little consequence

the most important thing is to do good and resist evil

no matter if all your worldly goods are lost in the battle

[blackbird]

52 minutes ago, herbie said:

explain how helping the needy and regarding greed as a sin is bad.

I already explained it but you proved you don't listen to my replies.  We are not talking about individual greed.  We are talking about Socialism or state ordained redistribution of property.  State ordained stealing.

"And you shall not steal.”

The 8th commandment given to us by the Lord Himself promotes the concept of private property. Clearly.

We find further proof of God wanting us to have private property in Exodus 22:1-4, which also reveals that anyone who violates one’s private property is to restore it and even provide additional compensation to the victim.

This is the exact opposite of what Socialism teaches i.e. everything is owned by the government.

Remember one of the staples in Agenda 2030? “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.” Talk about a blatantly satanic system that’s the direct opposite of what the Scriptures say.

2. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

“For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.”

As you can see, the Holy Word of God teaches that we have to support ourselves by working. In fact, verses 6 through 12 of 2 Thessalonians 3 are all about a commandment from the Lord against idleness.

Our Heavenly Father doesn’t want us to sit around all day, doing nothing productive. He wants us to work and receive compensation for our labor.

That’s how it’s been since the beginning (Genesis 2:15 ), although when sin entered into the world through Adam and Eve’s transgression, God told us “by the sweat of your face you shall eat bread” (Genesis 3:19).

What Does the Bible Say About Socialism? – Faith Founded on Fact

Edited January 19, 2023 by blackbird