Story from a Christian priest, My Bias, Listening

[sharkman]

Ah yes, the passive aggressive approach.  Let google be your guide…

[blackbird]

On 1/18/2023 at 10:10 AM, Contrarian said:

Same as a Bible man that sees the disaster which religion caused and says: "Those people did not follow the original literature of Jesus".

I am not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic.  Jesus taught in the King James Bible to love thy neighbour and other righteous teachings.  Who could possibly oppose that and say it was wrong?  When one attacks the the Bible and the plain teachings in the New Testament, he makes a fool of himself.   

Unfortunately history has proven the Catholic church did not follow the Bible at all.  Romanism has a dark history.  Here is an interesting 11 minute youtube documentary video of the history of the Catholic church in the Medieval Ages, which was from about 500 A.D. to 1500 A.D.  It describes how the Catholic church ruled with fear and an iron fist.  They simply frightened the masses of people into submission and providing as much wealth to the Catholic church as possible.    That is why many grotesque painting were made to instill fear in the population.  Frightening statues of devils and scary figures on the sides of huge cathedrals were common.  People could purchase indulgences to get a free pass for any evil sin or practice they might commit in the future.  That kind of thing is how the Catholic church became the wealthiest institution in the world. 

How the Medieval Church Frightened People Into Obedience - Bing video

The Reformation in the 1500s was a return to Biblical Christianity of the Apostolic age 2,000 years ago.  Watch some video documentaries on youtube of the Reformation.  The Catholic church resisted the Reformation tooth and nail.  They started the Counter-Reformation in the 1500s.  They created the Jesuit Order to lead the counter attack and it is working on it today through various means.  Their aim is bring all churches back under their authority. 

 

 

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[Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic.  Jesus taught in the King James Bible to love thy neighbour and other righteous teachings.  Who could possibly oppose that and say it was wrong?  When one attacks the the Bible and the plain teachings in the New Testament, he makes a fool of himself.   

Yes, so it gets to show you, when human beings get their hand on a book, even though the teachings of the New Testament were positive, what did the human beings do to the theory?

They did the darkness for centuries instead of moving humanity forward. All because of a theory. 

I am not sure if it would have been worse if the Romans would not allow Christianity to be part of the state.

It is what it is. 

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[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, so it gets to show you, when human beings get their hand on a book, even though the teachings of the New Testament were positive, what did the human beings do to the theory?

They did the darknesses for centuries instead of moving humanity forward. All because of a theory. 

Theory?  Would you call those teachings such as to love thy neighbour, help the poor, obey the laws, etc. as just theory?  Belief and fear of God has been the motivating factor of mankind through much of history.  Of course there have been evil doers and mockers through history who just used the system to their own advantage and exploited the people's gullibility.  That is why Catholicism was a disaster for the population, but it was not based on the Bible.  It was a system that exploited human nature for its own selfish purposes and for power.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

instead of moving humanity forward.

Mankind cannot move forward without God and his revelation, the King James Bible.  Mankind has proven he is a corrupt, fallen being and on his own devices is a complete failure.

[blackbird]

This is why Rome hid the book from the population for much of fifteen hundred years.  Their version of it was written in Latin so that the common people could not understand it.  Only a priest could preach their version of it to the masses of people.   Until the 1500s came along and some men stood up against Rome and translated into the language of the people.  But these men used copies of the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts in making the English and European translations.  Some of those men in England were burned at the stake for their efforts, but the Catholic system could not stop it.  They tried to burn all Bibles they could find, but couldn't find them all and couldn't stop the Reformation.  Bloody Mary killed thousands of people.  But the movement for Reformation kept going.  Eventually the printing press was invented and millions of people received the Bible in their own language and learned the truth which had been hid from them for over a thousand years by Rome.

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[blackbird]

Medieval statues to terrify the populations.

[blackbird]

This is how religion was taught in the medieval ages by Rome and money was extorted from the masses.

Terrifying paintings and statues was one tool.

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[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, so it gets to show you, when human beings get their hand on a book, even though the teachings of the New Testament were positive, what did the human beings do to the theory?

Not all human beings misinterpreted the Bible.  With the Reformation, many returned to the teachings of the Bible and this had a profound influence on the western world.  One example of the influence is the difference we see in Protestant nations such as the UK which abolished slavery around 1800 throughout the British Empire and the United States which adopted many good ideas with freedom in their Constitution.  The U.S. became one of the most prosperous and free countries in the world.  They had a large Protestant population and good leaders such as Abraham Lincoln.

Countries that remained under the Romanist religion like central and south America remained in a lot of poverty and darkness.  European countries like Spain still allowed the Catholic church to run their government and institutions of society and did not prosper much.  Italy is another example of remaining in a lot of darkness.  Russia and some other orthodox countries which have religions similar to Rome did not gain much freedom or prosper either.  Russia had the Communist revolution in 1917 and killed tens of millions of people as did China in 1949 onward.

[blackbird]

On 1/17/2023 at 7:05 PM, Contrarian said:

The priest finishes his story with the conclusion that peace and the key of life are found in the soul (inside of us, not outside). Once that is settled, then the rest will come. 

The Bible proves that would be a disastrous mistake.  

Mankind looking inward and using his own thinking instead of God's revelation is the kind of thing that has got man into trouble all through history.  Take Adam and Eve as that is where it started.  Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit in the garden and in doing so they rebelled against God's commandment not to eat it.  They failed the test of obedience and broke their relationship with their Creator.  As a result all humans have inherited this fallen, corrupt nature or being.  So if you look to yourself or your inner being or soul as a guide, you will be following a corrupt wicked being.  Not the wisest thing to do.

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[Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Bible proves that would be a disastrous mistake.  

Mankind looking inward and using his own thinking instead of God's revelation is the kind of thing that has got man into trouble all through history.  Take Adam and Eve as that is where it started.  Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate the forbidden fruit in the garden and in doing so they rebelled against God's commandment not to eat it.  The failed the test of obedience and broke their relationship with their Creator.  As a result all humans have inherited this fallen, corrupt nature or being.  So if you look to yourself or your inner being or soul as a guide, you will be following a corrupt wicked being.  Not the wisest thing to do.

You can write all you, stopped reading after the first, I paid attention enough to you, and this is why sometimes is better to just not engage with you. 

7 consecutive posts on BIAS and your own bubble.

Good luck, traveler. Keep posting, won't engage on this one. 

Talk with you around other threads = ) 

Clearly, you are not capable of respecting one's journey.

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[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You can write all you, stopped readying after the first, I paid attention enough to you, and this is why sometimes is better to just not engage with you. 

7 consecutive posts on BIAS and your own bubble.

Good luck, traveler. Keep posting, won't engage on this one. 

Talk with you around other threads = ) 

That is a bit tragic.  You have your mind locked into your own world view.  I understand that.  Don't open your mind to any other view.   It might change your thinking.

[Contrarian]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is a bit tragic.  You have your mind locked into your own world view.  I understand that.  Don't open your mind to any other view.   It might change your thinking.

You are an arrogant man, that clearly, you are not capable of respecting one's journey is my view.

I consider myself respectful of religious folks, don't see me going disrespecting them around, but you really are painting a bad image of the religious man. 

As a word of advice, do not allow atheists so much mockery material, sometimes is better to keep your conviction to yourself. 

The arrogance that you have a better answer for me, is exactly how the atheist says there are no answers.

• You don't know anything. You know what worked for you, and I have nothing against that as long as you don't tell me what to do. How hard of a concept this is? 

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[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You are an arrogant man, that clearly, you are not capable of respecting one's journey is my view.

I consider myself respectful of religious folks, don't see me going disrespecting them around, but you really are painting a bad image of the religious man. 

As a word of advice, do not allow atheists so much mockery material, sometimes is better to keep your conviction to yourself. 

The arrogance that you have a better answer for me, is exactly how the atheist says there are no answers.

• You don't know anything. You know what worked for you, and I have nothing against that as long as you don't tell me what to do. How hard of a concept this is? 

How is it "arrogance" to tell you what I believe the real world is or what truth is?   I am simply telling what I believe the truth is.   There is nothing in what I say that forces you to believe it or do anything.  You are still equally free to reject it and tell me how I am wrong.  

Maybe in China, N. Korea, Iran, or Russia it would illegal to say what I believe.  But this is not the same kind of country.  We supposedly have freedom of speech and thought here.

Perhaps you forget that freedom of speech and convictions is what makes an enlightened society.  That is how western democratic society functions.

[Contrarian]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How is it "arrogance" to tell you what I believe the real world is or what truth is?   I am simply telling what I believe the truth is.   There is nothing in what I say that forces you to believe it or do anything.  You are still equally free to reject it and tell me how I am wrong.  

It is important to recognize and respect an individual's right to hold their own religious beliefs and convictions, regardless of whether or not we agree with them. However, it is also important to acknowledge that expressing our religious beliefs in a way that disrespects or undermines the beliefs of others can be seen as arrogant and disrespectful.

I've seen enough of your messages. You do not fool me with this moderate message but hey, if you say you have ZERO intent to tell people what to do, then ok, I guess. You are a critical-thinking religious man then. Congratulations. 

In my view, you only have your truth. The inventors of mathematics were smarter than you, but did not find the "truth".

Religion will now. 😄

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[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You only have your truth. Einstein was smart than you, but did not find the "truth". Religion will now. 😄

Interesting comment.   I looked at a webpage about Einstein's beliefs concerning God. 

Did Einstein Believe in God? Find Out from His Letters and Quotes (magiscenter.com)

I don't claim to be smarter than Einstein.  Smart in the sense of Einstein is not a religious or Biblical kind of smartness.   His profession or specialty was a branch of science.  So it wouldn't make much sense to go by what he says about God or the Bible.  That was not his specialty.

"14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."   1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV

It is not the science geniuses that can give mankind wisdom about God.  Many of them consider it foolishness.  God chose at times to give spiritual knowledge to the ordinary people and some would say ignorant people.  Not necessarily to geniuses.  Some great scientists like Isaac Newton believed in God and the Bible.  But we live in the day of much darkness in the world when many think they know more than what God revealed to man in his word.  Atheists do not have any answers to life or why mankind is even in the world.

 

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[Contrarian]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Interesting comment.   I looked at a webpage about Einstein's beliefs concerning God. 

Did Einstein Believe in God? Find Out from His Letters and Quotes (magiscenter.com)

I don't claim to be smarter than Einstein.  Smart in the sense of Einstein is not a religious or Biblical kind of smartness.   His profession or specialty was a branch of science.  So it wouldn't make much sense to go by what he says about God or the Bible.  That was not his specialty.

"14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."   1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV

It is not the science geniuses that can give mankind wisdom about God.  Many of them consider it foolishness.  God chose at times to give spiritual knowledge to the ordinary people and some would say ignorant people.  Not necessarily to geniuses.  Some great scientists like Isaac Newton believed in God and the Bible.  But we live in the day of much darkness in the world when many think they know more than what God revealed to man in his word.  Atheists do not have any answers to life or why mankind is even in the world.

 

Einstein's God was complex.

In a letter he wrote in 1954, Einstein wrote, "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." However, he also stated in the same letter that he believed in "Spinoza's God," which refers to the philosopher Baruch Spinoza's concept of a God that is synonymous with the laws of nature and the universe itself.

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[blackbird]

Here is how the Bible changed the western world.  After more than a thousand years of tyranny by the Papacy and Roman Catholic system, Martin Luther was born and became a devout monk.   However, he was torn about things within the Papal system and when carefully searching Holy Scripture for some answers he came across some passages that shook him to the core.   This led to major rebellion against the authority of the Papacy and began the Reformation.  That was a period of great turmoil, wars, and radical changes in countries of northern Europe.  How it played out is told well in this historical documentary:

The Protestant Reformation - Bing video