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On 1/25/2023 at 3:25 PM, Aristides said:

A smooth bore flintlock is an issue. Those old muskets couldn't fire more than three rounds a minute if the shooter was an expert and were accurate at less than 100 feet. 

So what if it has a high immigration rate, so do we.

An American can legally by a hand gun or semi auto like an AR-15 then turn around and sell it to anyone no questions asked.  Their laws are a joke. They kill more people with guns than they do with motor vehicles.

So you are comparing gun deaths to traffic fatalities?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/20/2020-twice-as-many-traffic-deaths-as-firearm-homicides/

2020: Twice as Many Traffic Deaths as Firearm Homicides

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) indicates there were 38,824 traffic fatalities in 2020; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) points to 19,384 firearm homicides in the same year.

https://www.victimslawyer.com/blog/car-accidents-kill-more-people-than-guns-every-year/

Car Accidents Kill More People Than Guns Every Year

 

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8 hours ago, reason10 said:

So you are comparing gun deaths to traffic fatalities?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/20/2020-twice-as-many-traffic-deaths-as-firearm-homicides/

2020: Twice as Many Traffic Deaths as Firearm Homicides

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) indicates there were 38,824 traffic fatalities in 2020; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) points to 19,384 firearm homicides in the same year.

https://www.victimslawyer.com/blog/car-accidents-kill-more-people-than-guns-every-year/

Car Accidents Kill More People Than Guns Every Year

 

There weren't 38,000 vehicular homicides, try apples and apples.

There were 45,000 firearms related deaths in 2020

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/

 

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Gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 45,222 in 2020, an increase of 13.9% from 39,707 deaths in 2019. Suicides account for 54% of deaths related to firearms, while 43% were homicides, and about 1% were preventable/accidental. Please note that the term gun is used on this page to refer to firearms that can be carried by a person, not to the larger class of weapon.

Since 2011, gun-related assault deaths have increased 75%. The 34.5% increase in 2020 ended a four year period from 2016 through 2019 that showed little change. Suicide deaths involving guns have increased 21% since 2011. In 2020, suicide deaths increased 1.5% following a 2.0% decrease in 2019.

Preventable or accidental gun-related deaths increased 10% in 2020. However, from 2011 to 2020, preventable gun-related deaths have decreased 9%, from 591 to 535 deaths. Visit the data details tab to explore some of these trends in depth.

 

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13 hours ago, Aristides said:

There weren't 38,000 vehicular homicides, try apples and apples.

There were 45,000 firearms related deaths in 2020

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/guns/

 

 

Just running the raw data. More people are killed in auto ACCIDENTS than by guns. Nice try, spinning it with "vehicular homicide."

You wonder why people think liberals are IDJITS. It's stupid comparisons like that.

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4 hours ago, reason10 said:

Just running the raw data. More people are killed in auto ACCIDENTS than by guns. Nice try, spinning it with "vehicular homicide."

You wonder why people think liberals are IDJITS. It's stupid comparisons like that.

It compares vehicle deaths  with gun homicides, can’t you read? How may people are murdered with cars? 
 

 

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2 hours ago, Aristides said:

It compares vehicle deaths  with gun homicides, can’t you read? How may people are murdered with cars? 
 

 

Are you STUPID?

A person killed in a motor vehicle ACCIDENT is just as dead as one killed in vehicular homicide.

And today, MORE PEOPLE ARE KILLED IN TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAN BY GUNS. We aren't playing the "Intent" game here. Try keeping up with the class, son.

Maybe you'd like to grow, say, an occipital lobe and see the difference between murders involving guns and deaths from LEGALLY using guns for self defense. You'll probably find that MORE people are killed ILLEGALLY during the commission of a crime than are killed LEGALLY when a legal gun owner defends his/her life with deadly force. Or are you too stupid to see the difference?

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23 hours ago, herbie said:

All the 'gun control' laws you incessantly whine about amount to a pimple on an elephant's ass because of your flawed 2nd Amendment. So say the other 7.5 billion inhabitants of the planet.

The people of the United States of America (the country that has bled OCEANS OF BLOOD PROTECTING THE UNGRATEFUL ASS HOLES ALL OVER THE WORLD OVER THE LAST CENTURY) are the ONLY ones qualified to comment on our Second Amendment. We don't give a rat's ass what some uneducated EuroTrash thinks about our laws, (especially since those unwashed, undeodorized scumbags are going to come whining to us the next time Russia decided to pull a Stalin and march into Western Europe.

Here's a bit of advice for those idjits: You don't like it in America, DON'T COME HERE, not even to visit. Enough people are waiting in line to emigrate to America from whatever third world shithole that spawned you.

The 7.5 billion inhabitants of the planet have PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN and the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to thank for their not being either (a) slave states of the Soviet Union or (b) a pile of nuclear ash.

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Oh you needn't worry, I haven't wished to visit since Bush decided Canadians were just more f***ing foreigners. Used to be a great country full of really nice people until ass-holes took it over.

FYI the scene of Reagan and Brian Mulroney singing Irish songs together shall always be the pinnacle of shame for all Canucks. You may think you saved the world, but you couldn't even save yourselves from his policies. Not even by electing an utter oaf to office who told you he would and made them even worse.

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21 hours ago, Aristides said:

It compares vehicle deaths  with gun homicides, can’t you read? How may people are murdered with cars? 
 

 

Nobody said people are "Murdered" by cars. People in traffic fatalities are generally KILLED by cars.

The Second Amendment Constitutionalist crowd compares TRAFFIC FATALITIES to gun deaths. Not vehicular homicides. Just plain TRAFFIC DEATHS.

When you gun grabbers start your goose stepping about how guns cause deaths, we with the CONSTITUTION reply that AUTOMOBILES kill more people than guns.

And it works. Not every gun death is a murder. Some are accidents. Some are armed families LEGALLY defending their lives against the animals of society.

Not every car death is vehicular homicide. Some deaths are from drunk drivers. Some are from cars with faulty equipment. And some deaths are vehicular homicide. ALL car deaths involve the actions of the driver.
It's called running the raw numbers. The comparison is valid, whether your Neo Nazi goose stepping nit of a brain likes it or not.

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On 1/29/2023 at 1:01 PM, Aristides said:

It compares vehicle deaths  with gun homicides, can’t you read? How may people are murdered with cars? 
 

 

That's exactly what we are doing: COMPARING VEHICLE DEATHS WITH GUN DEATHS.

We are comparing WEAPON VERSUS WEAPON.

Cars kill more people than guns.

Are you just STUPID?

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19 hours ago, Aristides said:

Guns killed 45,000. 

Guns killed NOBODY. Cars killed NOBODY. HUMANS involved with both of those items did the killing.

And considering your source for that 45000 number is the CDC (who lied to the world about COVID) once again it appears that you do not have a reliable source.

If we cannot trust a disease control organization (especially one supported by tax dollars) to tell the truth about a disease, how can we possible take anything it says about firearms seriously?

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You have to try and imagine all those people who would die if cars and guns didn't exist.

Guns, none.  Maybe one or two who got too close to a bear, or something.

Cars, wow, just imagine all the people who would die because they couldn't get to a doctor or a hospital, or a chemist to get their prescriptions filled.  Or couldn't get to grocery store to buy food.  All the people who couldn't get to work, lost their jobs, and died of starvation because they couldn't afford food, even if they could walk to a grocery store.

All the utilities would fail because nobody could get out to repair equipment that broke down, and people would freeze to death because there was no gas or electricity to heat their homes.  Maybe they would die of thirst first, because the water supply would be out for the same reasons.

 

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1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

You have to try and imagine all those people who would die if cars and guns didn't exist.

Guns, none.  Maybe one or two who got too close to a bear, or something.

Cars, wow, just imagine all the people who would die because they couldn't get to a doctor or a hospital, or a chemist to get their prescriptions filled.  Or couldn't get to grocery store to buy food.  All the people who couldn't get to work, lost their jobs, and died of starvation because they couldn't afford food, even if they could walk to a grocery store.

All the utilities would fail because nobody could get out to repair equipment that broke down, and people would freeze to death because there was no gas or electricity to heat their homes.  Maybe they would die of thirst first, because the water supply would be out for the same reasons.

 

And yet there is no constitutional right to  own a car.

Maybe it's just me, (being this age and having seen a lot of life and learned so much) but I kinda trust the Constitution.

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9 minutes ago, reason10 said:

And yet there is no constitutional right to  own a car.

Maybe it's just me, (being this age and having seen a lot of life and learned so much) but I kinda trust the Constitution.

Yeah, it's just you.

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