Ford government increasing private health care

[ExFlyer]

On 2/12/2023 at 5:23 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

That's exactly what happens now though.  A doctor's office isn't owned by the government.  The doc pays the overhead, pays the secretary & nurses, and keeps the rest.  Profit.

Correct.

I am not sure what people think a doctors job or service is.
He?she are private workers with hospital privileges. They can help patients within the provincial system or outside of it at any time.

My friend needed hip replacement but the wait list was so long there was no help in sight so he got it replaced "privately". Those same doctors worked within the provincial system too. Some days they did operations in the hospital under all the rules therein and on other days they did it within a clinic under those rules.

Are they double dipping?? For sure and have been for as long as I can remember. Oh and, m any of those nurses also work in hospitals as well as in clinics.

So, in Ontario, all that is being done is recognizing private clinics and sending work their way with provincial approval.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 All that is being done is recognizing private clinics and sending work their way with provincial approval.

Hopefully we can elevate the maturity of the discussion beyond "NO NO USA"

As has been pointed out, France does 2-tier but is able to fund more services for the general public that way.  The North American model seems to be to privatize while reducing services to the peasants.  

[ExFlyer]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hopefully we can elevate the maturity of the discussion beyond "NO NO USA"

As has been pointed out, France does 2-tier but is able to fund more services for the general public that way.  The North American model seems to be to privatize while reducing services to the peasants.  

People think there are 2 groups of doctors. Ones that work in hospitals and only for the government and others that are "private".

Clearly, they did not think that through.

There are doctors that sometimes work in their office and give provincial services in that office and other times charge for services rendered in that office. Then they go to hospitals ad do procedures in the hospitals and then they also go to clinics and perform procedures there. They are the same doctor in every case.

So, "private" really means nothing, it already is what it is.

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

  "private" really means nothing, it already is what it is.

Doctors are private business people who have one billing client: the government of the province.

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Doctors are private business people who have one billing client: the government of the province.

Well, they do charge the patient for services not paid for by the government.  (some injections, some services, records, TB tests, PAP tests, prostate blood test, other things not covered by provincial plans)

https://mcithedoctorsoffice.ca/policies/uninsured-services-pricing/

[CdnFox]

On 2/15/2023 at 8:32 AM, ExFlyer said:

Well, they do charge the patient for services not paid for by the government.  (some injections, some services, records, TB tests, PAP tests, prostate blood test, other things not covered by provincial plans)

https://mcithedoctorsoffice.ca/policies/uninsured-services-pricing/

Yeah , but hospitals have gift shops and coffee shops for profit too.  The fact that things OTHER than those specifically covered by the health act are sold is already common and not really part of the equation. LIke paying for private or semi private rooms.

For those services specifically covered by the health act - services which must be paid for by the gov't - it would still be gov't provisioning of public health care. They're just using private facilities.

And the whole debate is stupid. As mentioned we already have private for profit doctors. Not to mention the medical supply companies are for profit, the drug companies are for profit, etc etc. MOST of our medical industry is private but paid for by the gov't.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah , but hospitals have gift shops and coffee shops for profit too.  The fact that things OTHER than those specifically covered by the health act are sold is already common and not really part of the equation. LIke paying for private or semi private rooms.

For those services specifically covered by the health act - services which must be paid for by the gov't - it would still be gov't provisioning of public health care. They're just using private facilities.

And the whole debate is stupid. As mentioned we already have private for profit doctors. Not to mention the medical supply companies are for profit, the drug companies are for profit, etc etc. MOST of our medical industry is private but paid for by the gov't.

That was my point. If procedures can be done off hospital property and done as good, at no extra cost, then I think it is a great idea to shift work to private clinics.

My response to the other poster was just to reiterate that procedures are done now.

[Contrarian]

Did not want to start another thread. 

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Provinces across the country are rapidly licensing thousands of internationally trained nurses after introducing a flurry of regulatory changes designed to make it easier to work in their jurisdictions, as governments try to address pressing staffing shortages afflicting the healthcare system.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-international-trained-nurses-licenses-canada/

[CITIZEN_2015]

Good on Ford government. We need Private health care in this country now. It is long overdue.