Ford government increasing private health care

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 All that is being done is recognizing private clinics and sending work their way with provincial approval.

Hopefully we can elevate the maturity of the discussion beyond "NO NO USA"

As has been pointed out, France does 2-tier but is able to fund more services for the general public that way.  The North American model seems to be to privatize while reducing services to the peasants.  

[ExFlyer]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hopefully we can elevate the maturity of the discussion beyond "NO NO USA"

As has been pointed out, France does 2-tier but is able to fund more services for the general public that way.  The North American model seems to be to privatize while reducing services to the peasants.  

People think there are 2 groups of doctors. Ones that work in hospitals and only for the government and others that are "private".

Clearly, they did not think that through.

There are doctors that sometimes work in their office and give provincial services in that office and other times charge for services rendered in that office. Then they go to hospitals ad do procedures in the hospitals and then they also go to clinics and perform procedures there. They are the same doctor in every case.

So, "private" really means nothing, it already is what it is.

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

  "private" really means nothing, it already is what it is.

Doctors are private business people who have one billing client: the government of the province.

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Doctors are private business people who have one billing client: the government of the province.

Well, they do charge the patient for services not paid for by the government.  (some injections, some services, records, TB tests, PAP tests, prostate blood test, other things not covered by provincial plans)

https://mcithedoctorsoffice.ca/policies/uninsured-services-pricing/

[CdnFox]

On 2/15/2023 at 8:32 AM, ExFlyer said:

Well, they do charge the patient for services not paid for by the government.  (some injections, some services, records, TB tests, PAP tests, prostate blood test, other things not covered by provincial plans)

https://mcithedoctorsoffice.ca/policies/uninsured-services-pricing/

Yeah , but hospitals have gift shops and coffee shops for profit too.  The fact that things OTHER than those specifically covered by the health act are sold is already common and not really part of the equation. LIke paying for private or semi private rooms.

For those services specifically covered by the health act - services which must be paid for by the gov't - it would still be gov't provisioning of public health care. They're just using private facilities.

And the whole debate is stupid. As mentioned we already have private for profit doctors. Not to mention the medical supply companies are for profit, the drug companies are for profit, etc etc. MOST of our medical industry is private but paid for by the gov't.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah , but hospitals have gift shops and coffee shops for profit too.  The fact that things OTHER than those specifically covered by the health act are sold is already common and not really part of the equation. LIke paying for private or semi private rooms.

For those services specifically covered by the health act - services which must be paid for by the gov't - it would still be gov't provisioning of public health care. They're just using private facilities.

And the whole debate is stupid. As mentioned we already have private for profit doctors. Not to mention the medical supply companies are for profit, the drug companies are for profit, etc etc. MOST of our medical industry is private but paid for by the gov't.

That was my point. If procedures can be done off hospital property and done as good, at no extra cost, then I think it is a great idea to shift work to private clinics.

My response to the other poster was just to reiterate that procedures are done now.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Good on Ford government. We need Private health care in this country now. It is long overdue.