Contrarian Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) Kevin McCarthy lost a 3rd vote in a showdown with Republican hardliners. Republicans are facing a leadership drama as they take control of the House. Updates: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/new-congress-live-updates/?id=95854349 --> Jim Jordan won enough votes to deny McCarthy the speakership. ---> House votes to adjourn until the next day. Edited January 4 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 🍿 Which will be more damaged? The House or House Republicans? LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 McCarthy's ongoing speaker battle paralyzes House Quote Kevin McCarthy’s imperiled speakership bid is threatening to incapacitate Republicans during a crucial planning period, virtually guaranteeing a sluggish start for the new House majority,” Politico reports. The GOP leader on Thursday took the unusual step of punting conferencewide races for committee leadership slots until after his speaker election on Jan. 3, a maneuver that could help insulate him from disgruntled members who fall short in those contests and their allies.” But that delay will also mean days, if not weeks, of uncertainty for GOP committees as they begin their stint in the majority. Some of the most important panels, including those charged with tax-writing and border security, won’t be able to prepare bills, tee up hearings, or even hire staff. While some House committees already have uncontested leaders in place, those chairs won’t be able to choose their member lineup or potentially pay staff. The GOP’s subpoena power, too, will be frozen. More frustration for Nationalist's predictions. LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas B. Duffy, Esq. Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 Why don't the DEMOCRATS Nominate Moderate Republicans? Humble suggestions: Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-1st) or Fred Upton (MI--6th). I like Fitzpatrick better but he's not as experienced as Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, robosmith said: 🍿 Which will be more damaged? The House or House Republicans? LMAO Most likely the Trumpanian wing flexing their muscles at the order of the man in Mar-a-Lago. Edited January 3 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 3 Author Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Most likely the Trumpanian wing flexing their muscles at the order of the man in Mar-a-Lago. Actually, I might be wrong about this, apparently publicly Trump supports McCarthy. Edited January 3 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodad Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Thomas B. Duffy, Esq. said: Why don't the DEMOCRATS Nominate Moderate Republicans? Humble suggestions: Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-1st) or Fred Upton (MI--6th). I like Fitzpatrick better but he's not as experienced as Upton. Yes, I keep waiting for this to happen. They don't need that many moderate Republican votes to put a moderate Republican in charge. -- But it may be that no moderate Republican wants that job. The kooks will make it a living hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Thomas B. Duffy, Esq. said: Why don't the DEMOCRATS Nominate Moderate Republicans? Humble suggestions: Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-1st) or Fred Upton (MI--6th). I like Fitzpatrick better but he's not as experienced as Upton. I think that any Republican who breaks away to side with Democrats would get wiped out, the way Liz Cheney did. They would have extreme difficulty leading a coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats to pass legislation… although it sure would be nice if that happened and I bet a majority of American voters would welcome it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 "If you want to drain the swamp you can't put the biggest Alligator in charge." Go Matt Gaetz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Why Kevin McCarthy's dream is in big trouble Tuesday should have been a joyous day for Republicans in Congress, as they kicked off two years as the majority party in the House of Representatives by swearing in new members and electing one of their own as speaker of the House. Instead, Tuesday's vote for speaker showed just how dysfunctional the GOP has become and what a precarious position the party has put itself in. … But don't cry for McCarthy. He has spent the past several years courting and catering to those in his party who engage in conspiracy theorizing and election denial, and has even supported members who have played footsie with White nationalists. He seems to understand just how damaging Trump and the cult of personality around him has been to the GOP -- his private phone calls made in the aftermath of January 6, 2021, made clear that he worried that members of his own party were endangering other lawmakers with their rhetoric -- but then chooses to empower those dangerous members anyway. Now, he's reaping the consequences of helping to reshape his party in the image of Trump. A hallmark of Trumpism was a rejection of decency and moderation and the intentional destruction of the institutions that kept our country stable and the kind of traditions that helped to build trust and functional governance. His most rabid followers in Congress have followed his lead, embracing this spirit of narcissism and burn-it-all down rage. And McCarthy, who in the early days after the January 6 attack said Trump bore responsibility for it but didn't support his impeachment, and who helped usher conservative extremists into office and then protect them once there, is experiencing the all-too-predictable outcome of handing power to the unhinged. … That does not bode well for the Republican Party's ability to govern, and instead suggests that the next two years might be characterized not just by intense partisan divides, but by a profoundly dysfunctional GOP heading into a contentious presidential election. This is the Republican Party that Trump made. But it's also the party that McCarthy has nurtured. And now, he's meeting his monster. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/03/opinions/gop-battle-house-speaker-kevin-mccarthy-filipovic/index.html 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) Video of the day: AOC talking with Paul Gosar. I am not a fan of AOC's politics but this is not a story about politics. Paul Gosar is really a prize. He is the same politician which was censured over an anime video depicting him of killing AOC. --> Source for last year's story: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/18/1056761894/rep-paul-gosar-is-censured-over-an-anime-video-depicting-him-of-killing-aoc --> Here is the video from today: Edited January 4 by Contrarian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 America is circling the drain. Democrats scream with glee. They hate freedom and liberty and all for corruption and gay sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 10 minutes ago, West said: corruption and gay sex Sounds more like your newest member George Santos actually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 3 hours ago, West said: America is circling the drain. Democrats scream with glee. They hate freedom and liberty and all for corruption and gay sex You do know that gay sex is part of freedom, don't you? LMAO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) Why it matters: Ballots will continue until someone gets a majority of votes — but it's unclear how long that will take. The House can't start regular business until a speaker is elected. The 20 House Republicans who voted at some point against McCarthy: Andy Biggs (R-Az.) Dan Bishop (R-N.C.) Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) Josh Brecheen (R-Okla.) Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) Eli Crane (R-Ariz.) Michael Cloud (R-Texas) Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) Bob Good (R-Va.) Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) Andy Harris (R-Md.) Mary Miller (R-Ill.) Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) Scott Perry (R-Pa.) Matt Rosendale (R-Mt.) Chip Roy (R-Texas) Keith Self (R-Texas) Byron Donalds (R-Fl.)The process will resume this afternoon. https://www.axios.com/2023/01/03/mccarthy-house-speaker-votes Edited January 4 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 I don't think that most people don't care enough about this impasse enough to damage anyone's reputation. Those Republicans who are doing this were elected in their districts for exactly this type of response to the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 Boebert proud of a key concession: metal detectors removed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 The year was 2015. House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) was resigning under duress from his right flank, and the GOP was struggling to find anyone who could gain the majority required to succeed him. The GOP ultimately convinced Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) to seek the post, reasoning — perhaps correctly — that he was the one man who could get enough votes from both the tea party and the more establishment wing of the party. The scenario has parallels to what we see today, including the fact that the GOP passed over Rep.-elect Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) for the job, which it did during three consecutive ballots on Tuesday. But there’s one key difference: It happened when the GOP had a much larger majority than it does today. In fact, its nearly 60-vote majority was the largest for the party since the Great Depression. And even still, it labored to find an acceptable pick. We’re about to find out whether the Republican Party can find someone — anyone — who can get the requisite votes, in a much more tenuous situation. It now has a mere 10-seat majority, and if all members vote, the speaker can only shed four from their party and still squeak by. The result will say a lot about whether the Republican Party, which asks Americans to empower it to govern, can effectively govern itself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/04/mccarthy-may-not-have-votes-become-speaker-does-any-republican/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) Trump also sent a message, urging support for McCarthy. Even the Donald can not control his creation. "Kevin McCarthy will do a good job, and maybe even a GREAT JOB - JUST WATCH!" Trump predicted. and more in CAPS from his social media : "CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY, & WATCH CRAZY NANCY PELOSI FLY BACK HOME TO A VERY BROKEN CALIFORNIA,THE ONLY SPEAKER IN U.S. HISTORY TO HAVE LOST THE ‘HOUSE’ TWICE! REPUBLICANS, DO NOT TURN A GREAT TRIUMPH INTO A GIANT & EMBARRASSING DEFEAT. IT’S TIME TO CELEBRATE, YOU DESERVE IT," the 2024 presidential candidate continued. Edited January 4 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 11 hours ago, West said: America is circling the drain. Democrats scream with glee. They hate freedom and liberty and all for corruption and gay sex Why shouldn’t gay people have the freedom and Liberty to have sex? It seems to me that prohibiting people from having consensual sex is robbing them of freedom and Liberty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Contrarian said: Trump also sent a message, urging support for McCarthy. Even the Donald can not control his creation. "Kevin McCarthy will do a good job, and maybe even a GREAT JOB - JUST WATCH!" Trump predicted. and more in CAPS from his social media : "CLOSE THE DEAL, TAKE THE VICTORY, & WATCH CRAZY NANCY PELOSI FLY BACK HOME TO A VERY BROKEN CALIFORNIA,THE ONLY SPEAKER IN U.S. HISTORY TO HAVE LOST THE ‘HOUSE’ TWICE! REPUBLICANS, DO NOT TURN A GREAT TRIUMPH INTO A GIANT & EMBARRASSING DEFEAT. IT’S TIME TO CELEBRATE, YOU DESERVE IT," the 2024 presidential candidate continued. “Seven individuals have served non-consecutively: Frederick Muhlenberg of Pennsylvania, Henry Clay of Kentucky, John W. Taylor of New York, Thomas Brackett Reed of Maine, Sam Rayburn of Texas, Joseph Martin of Massachusetts, and Nancy Pelosi of California.” Lets also point out that Donald Trump lost the House twice in two years, and the GOP only regained the House once Trump was no longer running for office. Edited January 4 by Rebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 Live Video from ABC is available below, latest thing I've read is that McCarthy will try to adjourn for tomorrow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsapper Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Live Video from ABC is available below, latest thing I've read is that McCarthy will try to adjourn for tomorrow: Spoilsport. I got some cans in... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Live Video from ABC is available below, latest thing I've read is that McCarthy will try to adjourn for tomorrow: Wouldn’t it be great if a coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats elect a moderate Republican Speaker, who passed moderate bipartisan legislation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrarian Posted January 4 Author Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Rebound said: Wouldn’t it be great if a coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats elect a moderate Republican Speaker, who passed moderate bipartisan legislation? what if 20 Democrats vote for McCarthy in an unifying move and for the good of the country? Zero chances. McCarthy looked stessed today, he also had lots of pizza the night prior as per the media. Edited January 4 by Contrarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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