George Santos is the new normal for the MAGA GOP

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Santos has just been given two House committee seats. I didn't think even the GOP could sink that low. The GOP has zero standards of behaviour or integrity.

They proved that by kicking Schiff and Swalwell off the Intel Committee for being very (too) good at their jobs.

And McCarthy is USING that to make money cause they are unpopular with HIS BASE.

[Contrarian]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Of course you do know that EVERY article published in the NY Times is done so to "make some money," don't you?

Really? I thought that is the Post? 😃

Edited January 18 by Contrarian

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yeah, never happened! Fake news! 🤪 

 

You can see rain falling on Trump at 1:32 of your video. You can see it falling throughout. -- I'm pretty sure you can watch a Marine bring Melania the umbrella several minutes later, at 5:35.  At which point it continued to rain. 

^ That empty chair belongs to the empty suit giving a speech.

Yeah, it rained. Yeah, he lied about it--just one of countless, sometimes pointless, lies he told. Get over it. 

I didn't see that photo in the speech, and look at the women behind Melania with nothing over their heads.... Was it just raining in that one spot above Melania's head, like it does over Wile E. Coyote from time to time? 

 

Here's how the two presidents started off their terms in office with lies:

Raindropgate: A guy talks for 17 minutes without a hat on, and at the end of 17 minutes his hair is as dry as a bone, but theoretically it was one of the biggest lies in the history of US politics when he said "It didn't rain". To be completely honest, what he said was effectively/essentially true.

If he wanted to be more accurate he could have said "It drizzled a bit during a tiny part of the speech", but in his own mind what he was worried about was a downpour on the biggest day of his life. Don't forget, the backdrop for this speech was lying, criminal activity and spying by the Dems and their maFBIa, so it was already marred to great extent - he really didn't want pouring rain on top of that.

I think our big disconnect here is that Dems are just sour because in their sad little schadenfreude minds really really wanted pouring rain. They saw the clouds, they were pissy, and every leftard on the planet was just praying for a torrential downpour that never materialized. In their mind's eye they still wanna believe it happened.

Crowdsizegate: Trump looks at an enormous crowd at his inauguration, gets the transit ridership stats for his and Obama's inauguration days because those were the only stats available at that moment, says his crowd was bigger. Turns out he was wrong. "OMG WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS HUGE LIE FOR 4 YEARS!!!!"

Afghanistangate: President says "We won't leave any Americans stranded in Afghanistan!" Then strands hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan. Then says "We never left any Americans stranded in Afghanistan!" The MSM says nothing for at least 2 full years, but let's just be honest, they're never gonna mention it.

Afghanistangate: Biden unilaterally shifted the agreed-upon withdrawal date so that it can be on 9/11, angering the Taliban. They lift the ban on attacking American soldiers, 13 of them are killed. Biden retaliates with a drone strike, but instead of killing terrorists he kills an aid worker and 5 or 6 children. For two weeks he says "We killed terrorists". 

Afghanistangate: Biden left his allies in the lurch, wondering wtf was going on, struggling to get their people out. Nothing was co-ordinated with them and they were all mad. Biden left behind billions of dollars worth of weapons, military vehicles, ordnance and ammo. Biden stranded Americans. Biden got Americans killed. Then Biden described it all as "The most successful military withdrawal every" or words to that effect. The MSM just nodded. 

 

Biden told huge lies. Biden told whopping lies with the stench of betrayal, death and murder on them. He knew the full truth, he knew that what he was saying was the exact opposite of the truth, he was speaking about things that were of the utmost national/international importance, and every word he said was 100% deception and fabrication.

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't see that photo in the speech, and look at the women behind Melania with nothing over their heads.... Was it just raining in that one spot above Melania's head, like it does over Wile E. Coyote from time to time? 

 

Here's how the two presidents started off their terms in office with lies:

Raindropgate: A guy talks for 17 minutes without a hat on, and at the end of 17 minutes his hair is as dry as a bone, but theoretically it was one of the biggest lies in the history of US politics when he said "It didn't rain". To be completely honest, what he said was effectively/essentially true.

If he wanted to be more accurate he could have said "It drizzled a bit during a tiny part of the speech", but in his own mind what he was worried about was a downpour on the biggest day of his life. Don't forget, the backdrop for this speech was lying, criminal activity and spying by the Dems and their maFBIa, so it was already marred to great extent - he really didn't want pouring rain on top of that.

I think our big disconnect here is that Dems are just sour because in their sad little schadenfreude minds really really wanted pouring rain. They saw the clouds, they were pissy, and every leftard on the planet was just praying for a torrential downpour that never materialized. In their mind's eye they still wanna believe it happened.

Crowdsizegate: Trump looks at an enormous crowd at his inauguration, gets the transit ridership stats for his and Obama's inauguration days because those were the only stats available at that moment, says his crowd was bigger. Turns out he was wrong. "OMG WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS HUGE LIE FOR 4 YEARS!!!!"

Afghanistangate: President says "We won't leave any Americans stranded in Afghanistan!" Then strands hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan. Then says "We never left any Americans stranded in Afghanistan!" The MSM says nothing for at least 2 full years, but let's just be honest, they're never gonna mention it.

Afghanistangate: Biden unilaterally shifted the agreed-upon withdrawal date so that it can be on 9/11, angering the Taliban. They lift the ban on attacking American soldiers, 13 of them are killed. Biden retaliates with a drone strike, but instead of killing terrorists he kills an aid worker and 5 or 6 children. For two weeks he says "We killed terrorists". 

Afghanistangate: Biden left his allies in the lurch, wondering wtf was going on, struggling to get their people out. Nothing was co-ordinated with them and they were all mad. Biden left behind billions of dollars worth of weapons, military vehicles, ordnance and ammo. Biden stranded Americans. Biden got Americans killed. Then Biden described it all as "The most successful military withdrawal every" or words to that effect. The MSM just nodded. 

 

Biden told huge lies. Biden told whopping lies with the stench of betrayal, death and murder on them. He knew the full truth, he knew that what he was saying was the exact opposite of the truth, he was speaking about things that were of the utmost national/international importance, and every word he said was 100% deception and fabrication.

Your whataboutisms do NOT prove that Trump didn't LIE 30,000+ times. His TRIVIAL lies just show how pathological he is. AKA, lies when it's completely UNNECESSARY (except to sooth his EGO). LMAO

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Your whataboutisms do NOT prove that Trump didn't LIE 30,000+ times. His TRIVIAL lies just show how pathological he is. AKA, lies when it's completely UNNECESSARY (except to sooth his EGO). LMAO

In the end, I proved that WashPo's histrionics about raindropgate and their blatant lies about crowdsizegate make them a completely unreliable source.

You might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt after they lied to you a couple times but I don't have to, and FYI no one has to accept that link as being credible now that they know it contains lies. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't see that photo in the speech, and look at the women behind Melania with nothing over their heads.... Was it just raining in that one spot above Melania's head, like it does over Wile E. Coyote from time to time? 

 

Well, the video of the speech is a tight framing on the speaker. Would you expect to see this angle? You can clearly see him delivering his speech in the photo, no? Are you trying to imply in some way that this is not a genuine photo? How far can you possibly push this? Geez.

 

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Here's how the two presidents started off their terms in office with lies:

Raindropgate: A guy talks for 17 minutes without a hat on, and at the end of 17 minutes his hair is as dry as a bone

 

Squirrel fur is waterproof.

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Crowdsizegate: Trump looks at an enormous crowd at his inauguration, gets the transit ridership stats for his and Obama's inauguration days because those were the only stats available at that moment, says his crowd was bigger. Turns out he was wrong. "OMG WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS HUGE LIE FOR 4 YEARS!!!!"

Um, no. Trump didn't get the information wrong. He lied. He personally intervened to have the parks service edit photos of the crowd to be more flattering AFTER the comparison to the Obama crowd was made public. In the exact same way he casually asked Raffensperger to "find" him enough votes to win in Georgia. "Just find me a crowd photo large enough to 'win!'"

 

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Afghanistangate: President says "We won't leave any Americans stranded in Afghanistan!" Then strands hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan. Then says "We never left any Americans stranded in Afghanistan!" The MSM says nothing for at least 2 full years, but let's just be honest, they're never gonna mention it.

Afghanistangate: Biden unilaterally shifted the agreed-upon withdrawal date so that it can be on 9/11, angering the Taliban. They lift the ban on attacking American soldiers, 13 of them are killed. Biden retaliates with a drone strike, but instead of killing terrorists he kills an aid worker and 5 or 6 children. For two weeks he says "We killed terrorists". 

Afghanistangate: Biden left his allies in the lurch, wondering wtf was going on, struggling to get their people out. Nothing was co-ordinated with them and they were all mad. Biden left behind billions of dollars worth of weapons, military vehicles, ordnance and ammo. Biden stranded Americans. Biden got Americans killed. Then Biden described it all as "The most successful military withdrawal every" or words to that effect. The MSM just nodded. 

 

Biden told huge lies. Biden told whopping lies with the stench of betrayal, death and murder on them. He knew the full truth, he knew that what he was saying was the exact opposite of the truth, he was speaking about things that were of the utmost national/international importance, and every word he said was 100% deception and fabrication.

I love your dedication to whataboutism, but I don't think you're sincere about any of this. Biden was HEAVILY criticized by both parties and across all media for the handling of the withdrawal (and deservedly so)--the precipitousness of which Trump helped instigate, BTW. His Taliban deal left Biden in a pickle, but Biden's mistakes are his own. 

At any rate, I think if you really cared about any of these issues you'd be far more pissed at Trump than Biden. Trump promised to get us out of Afghanistan and instead put more troops in, leading to thousands of deaths and a trillion dollar expense. He promised to end the drone strikes, but instead tripled them and killed a crap-ton more civilians than Biden. Are those not the same "meaningful lies," far more egregious and costly than Biden's?

Politicians are often wrong. Politicians also lie. Mostly they make promises they don't keep. Often they embellish or spin their accomplishments to seem better than they are. But it takes a special kind of motherfarker to pee on your leg and tell you it's raining--or not raining, as the case may be. We have NEVER had a president like Trump before, a pathological liar, lying casually and without reason about things that don't even matter. There is no "whatabouting" this. It was totally unprecedented, and that's why his lying captured the attention of the media and the public at large. It's not because anyone was out to get him. It's just that no one has seen anything like it before and it's terrifying for an institution that depends on credibility for domestic relations, foreign relations and our national security.

 

 

 

[Aristides]

Now it is looking like Santos was a drag queen when he was living in Brazil.

[BeaverFever]

On 1/11/2023 at 6:58 PM, robosmith said:

No it has NOT. Showing that Trump's hair appears to be dry on a video DOES NOT prove that it didn't rain.

And even if you did prove ONE alleged LIE was actually true, that DOES NOT PROVE all of them were true.

Are you really a statistician? If you were, you would get fired for making up such a logical fallacy.

 

I bet Trump’s creepy“hair” has factory-installed waterproofing and wouldn’t look wet if he was at the bottom of the ocean. 

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

I bet Trump’s creepy“hair” has factory-installed waterproofing and wouldn’t look wet if he was at the bottom of the ocean. 

Really? Holy crap. That would mean that there is now a Republican member of Congress that Republicans won't allow to read stories to children. It's all come full circle!

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Really? Holy crap. That would mean that there is now a Republican member of Congress that Republicans won't allow to read stories to children. It's all come full circle!

According to a drag queen who knew him there. 

https://newrepublic.com/post/170070/george-santos-drag-queen-kitara-brazil

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Well, the video of the speech is a tight framing on the speaker. Would you expect to see this angle? You can clearly see him delivering his speech in the photo, no? Are you trying to imply in some way that this is not a genuine photo? How far can you possibly push this? Geez.

I thought you meant it was from the video I posted.

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Squirrel fur is waterproof.

Ahhhh, I guess that settles it then.

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Um, no. Trump didn't get the information wrong. He lied. He personally intervened to have the parks service edit photos of the crowd 

Hmmm....

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A second official, from the NPS public affairs department, told investigators that Spicer called her office on the morning of 21 January and asked for pictures that “accurately represented the inauguration crowd size”.

In this official’s view, Spicer’s request amounted to “a request for NPS to provide photographs in which it appeared the inauguration crowd filled the majority of the space in the photograph”. She told investigators that she, too, contacted the NPS photographer to ask for additional shots.

I would have slapped her for saying something that stupid to me. I can't believe the Guardian actually put that on paper.

Still, it's a pretty good example of what's at the bottom of the whole 'crowdsizegate' affair.

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I love your dedication to whataboutism,

I love that you want to engage in a discussion about lying from the WH and yet the most egregious examples of the last 20 years are off-limits.

Do you deny that: "Biden told whopping lies with the stench of betrayal, death and murder on them." 

Do you think that there are any examples of Trump's "lying" that are anywhere near as bad as Biden's lies are? 

Hell, the lies that the media told about Trump were far worse than raindropgate and crowdsizegate put together.

There were articles that said x-number of people (numbers like 13 or 17 iirc) people were arrested for crimes related to Russian collusion. There were some Russians indicted who conveniently won't ever have to testify, and there were some Americans arrested ofr things like tax evasion in 1995, no one was found guilty of anything related to colluding with Russia. 

The only person who was found guilty of a crime related to collusion was an FBI lawyer. 

Here's an article which attempts to sound serious about "indictments and criminal charges related to Russian collusion" https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury but for example Manafort:

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2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreementby lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

Sounds collusion-related, right?

Nope. None of those charges had anything to do with Russian collusion, it's just another example of the MSM lying about Trump. 

They also said things like "Trump referred to immigrants as animals!" It's really catchy headline stuff that sticks in the minds of people who want their confirmation bias itch scratched, and for kids who just want to glom onto some news headlines and then rage on other people, but it's a fact that those are extremely serious lies.

FYI the MSM shouldn't be lying to us on a daily basis and you should never encourage it. You're a weasel and an enabler. 

[WestCanMan]

I find it hilarious that Dems want Santos to resign but not Biden. 

Biden told all the same kinds of lies that Santos just told, the only difference is that leftards had about ten more election cycles to ditch Biden since then and they just keep on re-electing him.

Just since he's been president Biden has told a lot of lies that make Santos' lies look accurate.

For example, killing a bunch of children and then fist-pumping that they were Al Qaeda for two weeks is an example of a bad lie. 

Angrily shouting that you won't strand any Americans in Afghanistan, and then stranding hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan, and then saying that you didn't strand any Americans in Afghanistan is a lot worse than lying about a summer job that you didn't have.

NYers are angrier about Santos's garden-variety Dem lies than they are about Cuomo moving covid-infected seniors into care homes and forbidding covid tests on them.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I find it hilarious that Dems want Santos to resign but not Biden. 

Biden told all the same kinds of lies that Santos just told, the only difference is that leftards had about ten more election cycles to ditch Biden since then and they just keep on re-electing him.

Just since he's been president Biden has told a lot of lies that make Santos' lies look accurate.

For example, killing a bunch of children and then fist-pumping that they were Al Qaeda for two weeks is an example of a bad lie. 

Angrily shouting that you won't strand any Americans in Afghanistan, and then stranding hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan, and then saying that you didn't strand any Americans in Afghanistan is a lot worse than lying about a summer job that you didn't have.

NYers are angrier about Santos's garden-variety Dem lies than they are about Cuomo moving covid-infected seniors into care homes and forbidding covid tests on them.

Well if Santos is what it takes to get you to support drag queen story hour then you’re might be more liberal than me now!

 

AFAIK Biden didn’t fire the drone missile and them lie about it, the Pentagon did. 
 

and hmm.

 

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths
 

President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

The 2016 executive order was brought in by then-President Barack Obama, who was under pressure to be more transparent.

Since the 9/11 terror attack, drone strikes have been increasingly used against terror and military targets.

The Trump administration said the rule was "superfluous" and distracting.
 

…There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank…

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207.amp

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In the end, I proved that WashPo's histrionics about raindropgate and their blatant lies about crowdsizegate make them a completely unreliable source.

The FACT is, Trump LIED about BOTH. Your refusal to face reality will NEVER change that.

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt after they lied to you a couple times but I don't have to, and FYI no one has to accept that link as being credible now that they know it contains lies. 

I give them and EVERY OTHER SOURCE which CORROBORATES them NO DOUBT because your refusal to face the reality that Trump is a pathological LIAR, which >70% of the US citizens understand means nothing. AKA, everyone but HIS CULT.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I find it hilarious that Dems want Santos to resign but not Biden. 

Biden told all the same kinds of lies that Santos just told, the only difference is that leftards had about ten more election cycles to ditch Biden since then and they just keep on re-electing him.

Just since he's been president Biden has told a lot of lies that make Santos' lies look accurate.

For example, killing a bunch of children and then fist-pumping that they were Al Qaeda for two weeks is an example of a bad lie. 

Angrily shouting that you won't strand any Americans in Afghanistan, and then stranding hundreds of Americans in Afghanistan, and then saying that you didn't strand any Americans in Afghanistan is a lot worse than lying about a summer job that you didn't have.

NYers are angrier about Santos's garden-variety Dem lies than they are about Cuomo moving covid-infected seniors into care homes and forbidding covid tests on them.

Just because YOU BELIEVE sources that LIE TO YOU, is not evidence that Biden lied.

And it entirely POSSIBLE that HE was given inaccurate info. The FACT is, YOU DON'T KNOW, you just TRUST.

Unlike the VIDEO which clearly shows that IT RAINED during Trump's inauguration speech. Plenty MORE than "a few" drops. Thousands more.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

What does that have to do with the fact that Biden's successful retaliation against the Taliban/Al Qaeda was actually just the mass-murder of children?

Of course Biden knew, the Pentagon can't just keep that secret from the POTUS.

And what does "outside of war zones" have to do with Afghanistan? 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Just because YOU BELIEVE sources that LIE TO YOU, is not evidence that Biden lied.

And it entirely POSSIBLE that HE was given inaccurate info. The FACT is, YOU DON'T KNOW, you just TRUST.

Unlike the VIDEO which clearly shows that IT RAINED during Trump's inauguration speech. Plenty MORE than "a few" drops. Thousands more.

I can't even imagine what kind of person would just keep babbling 1d10cy and lies like you do. 

You don't even have any examples of me quoting lies from Fox News or anywhere else, I make you, @Hodad, @BeaverFever, @eyeball, @Michael Hardner, etc look like chumps all the time for quoting crap from CTV, CNN, WashPo, etc.

Enjoy your 'raindropgate' story dude, and don't worry, you never have to compare it to Biden's "murderedchildrengate" or "strandedUScitizensgate" if you don't want to. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Biden told all the same kinds of lies that Santos just told,  

Total nonsense as usual.

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I can't even imagine what kind of person would just keep babbling 1d10cy 

Look in the mirror dimwit.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I can't even imagine what kind of person would just keep babbling 1d10cy and lies like you do. 

You don't even have any examples of me quoting lies from Fox News or anywhere else, I make you, @Hodad, @BeaverFever, @eyeball, @Michael Hardner, etc look like chumps all the time for quoting crap from CTV, CNN, WashPo, etc.

Enjoy your 'raindropgate' story dude, and don't worry, you never have to compare it to Biden's "murderedchildrengate" or "strandedUScitizensgate" if you don't want to. 

I don't have to compare anything to your fantasies. Sure, you don't quote ANY evidence from Fox, but that IS the likely source that is KNOWN to tell the SAME LIES that you post here.

Tucker Carlson Successfully Argues Nobody Really Believes Tucker Carlson Is Reporting Facts

 

[robosmith]

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Total nonsense as usual.

You're just clueless, as usual.

Biden gave a speech about being the first university-educated person in his family, and coming from a long line of coal miners. Both lies. What's worse is he plagiarized that from a British politician. He also said he had degrees that he didn't have, he pretended that he graduated at or near the top of his law class, he was bottom 50%, etc, etc...

I guess you don't learn everything on tha steetz, hey? 

[Moonbox]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/embattled-us-rep-santos-was-drag-queen-brazil-pageants-say-associates-2023-01-19/

George Santos the drag-queen. 

What are your thoughts, @West ?

🤣

[CrakHoBarbie]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're just clueless, as usual.

Biden gave a speech about being the first university-educated person in his family, and coming from a long line of coal miners. Both lies. What's worse is he plagiarized that from a British politician. He also said he had degrees that he didn't have, he pretended that he graduated at or near the top of his law class, he was bottom 50%, etc, etc...

I guess you don't learn everything on tha steetz, hey? 

Do you have any citations that support your claims? Or will you insist I "find it myself"...

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So sad how much of a stink leftards have to make of a small-time congressman in NY when the president is ten times the liar that Santos is.