Canada moves to mandate electric vehicle sales starting in 2026

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Man , why is there always so much drama with you,

Ya the sky is fallen, the garbage can is full, Its the conservatives fault for not doing this or that. Typical leftist response really, always pointing fingers looking for a scape goat. The problem is the Left has been in power in this nation, for over 8 years now, and the best solution they have come up with is the Carbon tax.

Well it's time to STFU the lefts solution has failed to reach any of it's goals or targets in the last 3 attempts. How stupid do you have to be to see it is not working period. I get it 4 th time is the charm. it's will always be the conservatives fault wake up and smell the coffee, Canadians are not willing to put out of pocket to save this climate crises, becasue they are to lazy or to cheap, or to stupid.

You might be alright with the government banning the use of private property, I'm not, i already give the government a good chunk of what i earn, i should be allowed to keep anything i legally purchased without question. and to do it by lying and deceiving the rest of the nation into thinking it is ok, is BS. This liberal government has been using misleading sources for a long time now, and now they just lie. what is it they said, say it often enough and loud enough and they will believe anything. 

So your solution is STFU and let the left find the solution becasue it is going to happen like it or not, i mean your results so far are impressive, 0 for 3 how more tries do you need. Time to move over and let someone else try. 

 

 

You are correct.  The liberal left way of governing is a disaster.  There are huge numbers of people living on food banks and increasing numbers of homeless people.  Government intervention in the economy and intervention in private enterprise has proven a disaster.  The price of real estate is out of reach for millions of people.  We need to get more investment into private companies and build our economy.  Less taxes (remove carbon taxes) and less government interference.

Do you know it is now very hard to sell many things on eBay Canada because Canada Post is so expensive to mail anything, its just not worth it for anyone to buy many things.  If it costs twenty or thirty bucks to mail the smallest items, that really kills the eBay business.  I wonder how Amazon can deliver a package for about $6 and the same thing would cost $20 to ship by Canada Post.  I heard the government was also going to charge GST on used items sold on eBay.  Have not heard if that was actually implemented.  That would be another disaster.

Some people say it would be better to be on welfare than have a minimum wage job.  If that is the case, the government should wake up.  That kind of system where half the population is on welfare is not going to work.

[WestCanMan]

On 12/23/2022 at 6:13 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

They may be hypocrites but they are right about climate change

The climate is always changing. They'd be idjits to say that it wasn't changing. 

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and they were right about no serious side effects about vaccines.

Of course they weren't right about that.

The Pflacebo caused serious harm to thousands of young people who didn't need it at all. In the end it didn't lower covid deaths here even one bit. There were approximately 4x as many covid deaths this summer as there were in 2020 and 2021. 86% of those covid deaths were among the multi-vaxed - and that's from health Canada's own stats. 

Was it worth it to harm thousands of people who didn't need the drug? Do you have some kind of graph that shows covid deaths being down since the vax rollout, because Health Canada doesn't have one...

[herbie]

Oh FFS there's no drama, the full garbage can  has nothing to do with the environment it's about making excuses not to do a job because there's another step involved. I actually had a kid I hired say just that - he couldn't sweep the floors because the garbage was full.l He was too effin stoopid to take the garbage can out to the dumpster without being told.... (couldn't read a round clock or use a phone book either in Grade 12!)

You're all ranting negatively when this order is LAME compared to California's or New Yorks asking for 50% EV even sooner. When Ford is so pissed they're about to pump out EVs to make Tesla look like small change, and kick their own dealers asses for marking up the ICE vehicles during the current shortage and gouging customers. DId you know that, they have only DAYS to sign up and set up charging stations, EV training and transparent pricing - $1.2 M per dealership or they don't get any EVs to sell.

It ain't 'too complicated', 'too fast', 'stoopid idea' anymore. It's the damn auto industry's economic future and it's happening FAST.

Tell me what a wacko I am 2 years from now when 1/2 the cars on the showroom floor are EVs and Toyota lots are full of Hydrogen fuel cells. It's GM and Stellantis that hurt from dragging their asses. The first dealerships will be opening in months for Vietnames EV only brands.

Edited December 27, 2022 by herbie

[Aristides]

GM has been pretty committed to EV's, Cadillac in particular. Stellantis is saying it is spending  35 billion US on electrification over the next five years on top of what it has already spent and will have 55 EV's on the market by 2025, including an electric Ram pickup in 2024 and an electric Dodge muscle car which will have performance on par with the Tesla Model S Plaid. 

They are ending V8 production in 2023 and going out with a bang. The are pumping up Hellcat production for the last year and there will be a Charger SRT, Hellcat, Redeye, Jailbrake edition pumping out 807 HP. 

 

That said, this legislation is just window dressing, Canada is not a large enough market to dictate to major auto companies, that will be decided elsewhere, the US, China and Europe.

Edited December 27, 2022 by Aristides

[herbie]

WTF

no that's not what this useless word filter is blocking.

Is it EVs, BEVs, PHEVs?

those are the only highlighted words

Edited December 27, 2022 by herbie

[herbie]

I've always been a Dodge guy and I'm disgusted by their move to only ridiculous muscle cars and pawning off the Caravan to Chrysler for double the price vans. There's a new Dodge Hornet in the pipe and I sure as hell hope they have the brains to market it as PHEVs or BEVs. Honda's also going with more fuel cell choices.

[herbie]

And I just saw a bloody meme on FB with a Tesla getting road side serviced with a Ford van.... 237 comments all along the common id10t theme of "EVs bad"
Like not one other person with enough brains to think W.T.F. do you expect? Tesla doesn't make little vans! On top of the utter dumbness of using range anxiety as an excuse when in town delivery/service is one of the best uses for BEVs!

Good God what hope is there if so many people can only think within the box but insist on making the box as small as possible before they even start thinking!

[herbie]

OMG it was id10t and it wasn't highlighted at all! Get rid of this useless filter

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I've always been a Dodge guy and I'm disgusted by their move to only ridiculous muscle cars and pawning off the Caravan to Chrysler for double the price vans. There's a new Dodge Hornet in the pipe and I sure as hell hope they have the brains to market it as PHEVs or BEVs. Honda's also going with more fuel cell choices.

Hemi  =  Lamb

Cummins  =  Ram

[herbie]

Hah. Even in the days of 39c/gallon I was more of a Slant 6 guy... everyone had to chip in more than the ticket price to see Emerson Lake & Palmer just to ride there in my buddy's Road Runner

[Tony Hladun]

I'm glad to see the 2026 target.  On that date hopes and dreams will collide with reality and then maybe we'll do something sensible.  Remember this target comes from the boys who've never hit a target yet.  The sad thing is we're wasting time and money, both of which we don't have, pretending.

[Aristides]

On 12/27/2022 at 3:47 PM, herbie said:

I've always been a Dodge guy and I'm disgusted by their move to only ridiculous muscle cars and pawning off the Caravan to Chrysler for double the price vans. There's a new Dodge Hornet in the pipe and I sure as hell hope they have the brains to market it as PHEVs or BEVs. Honda's also going with more fuel cell choices.

Chrysler has made it clear that Dodge will be the muscle car brand, Ram the truck brand, Jeep the off road brand. Chrysler for the rest. Stellantis has four EV platforms in the pipe. Small for city mobility, Medium for premium vehicles, Large for performance/American muscle and Frame for trucks and other large platforms.

[Aristides]

On 12/27/2022 at 10:18 PM, herbie said:

Hah. Even in the days of 39c/gallon I was more of a Slant 6 guy... everyone had to chip in more than the ticket price to see Emerson Lake & Palmer just to ride there in my buddy's Road Runner

The days when you could drive all weekend on a couple of bucks worth of gas. 

[Nefarious Banana]

On 12/27/2022 at 10:18 PM, herbie said:

Hah. Even in the days of 39c/gallon I was more of a Slant 6 guy... everyone had to chip in more than the ticket price to see Emerson Lake & Palmer just to ride there in my buddy's Road Runner

Slant 6 'guy' . . . . . Emerson Lake & Palmer ??

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[herbie]

What's strange is so many people wanted a lift I took my Plymouth and not the Hillman Minx. Oh what a lucky man I was...

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

What's strange is so many people wanted a lift I took my Plymouth and not the Hillman Minx. Oh what a lucky man I was...

I learned to drive in a 1954 Minx convertible of my parents. I had another mid fifties Minx later on. Four on the tree with a backwards pattern to North American cars.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Aristides

[ironstone]

On 12/27/2022 at 1:03 AM, herbie said:

Oh FFS there's no drama, the full garbage can  has nothing to do with the environment it's about making excuses not to do a job because there's another step involved. I actually had a kid I hired say just that - he couldn't sweep the floors because the garbage was full.l He was too effin stoopid to take the garbage can out to the dumpster without being told.... (couldn't read a round clock or use a phone book either in Grade 12!)

You're all ranting negatively when this order is LAME compared to California's or New Yorks asking for 50% EV even sooner. When Ford is so pissed they're about to pump out EVs to make Tesla look like small change, and kick their own dealers asses for marking up the ICE vehicles during the current shortage and gouging customers. DId you know that, they have only DAYS to sign up and set up charging stations, EV training and transparent pricing - $1.2 M per dealership or they don't get any EVs to sell.

It ain't 'too complicated', 'too fast', 'stoopid idea' anymore. It's the damn auto industry's economic future and it's happening FAST.

Tell me what a wacko I am 2 years from now when 1/2 the cars on the showroom floor are EVs and Toyota lots are full of Hydrogen fuel cells. It's GM and Stellantis that hurt from dragging their asses. The first dealerships will be opening in months for Vietnames EV only brands.

Do you expect that Canada's emissions will drop in two years time? ICE vehicles apparently account for about 10% of our emissions so what wonderful government mandates will address the other 90%?

Never heard of Stellantis. A quick search and Dodge, Ram, Fiat, Lancia, Maserati etc. I didn't notice any brands with a stellar reputation for reliability.

I think I'll pass on the Vietnamese EV's as I would for something made in China.

Government bureaucrats are not exactly visionaries.

[herbie]

The Hillman was my Mom's car, she gave it to me when I graduated. Everyone referred to it as "The Jinx"

Nobody would've dreamt back then British cars would vanish within 5 years. Just like we'll be surrounded with EVs as fast as we were with Civics and Toyotas back then.

[ironstone]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

The Hillman was my Mom's car, she gave it to me when I graduated. Everyone referred to it as "The Jinx"

Nobody would've dreamt back then British cars would vanish within 5 years. Just like we'll be surrounded with EVs as fast as we were with Civics and Toyotas back then.

While I have my share of doubts about EV's and the benefits of them, I don't think they'll go the way of British cars thanks to government mandates and massive subsidies.

Are we going to go down the same path as Germany when it comes to energy?

 

[herbie]

Yeah, as if Canada will run out of energy.... and comparing us to Germany FFS? They didn't learn about the dangers of importing all their energy after they were bombed into the Stone Age.

[I am Groot]

On 12/21/2022 at 7:12 PM, herbie said:

My point is that 'mandating' something that's happening regardless is barely worth getting worked up about.

Something like 5% of new vehicles registered in Canada and the US are electric. Chances are, if you delved further into the statistics, assuming they go that deep, a large percentage of those are taxis or owned by urban people who use them for short commutes while owning a second, gas powered car.

Electric cars are expensive, and in anything but core urban areas unreliable, in part due to the lack of chargers and the influence of cold weather on battery life and thus distances. 

You can mandate things all you want but this is just not going to happen. This sounds like a policy drawn up by the PR department which makes up 90% of Liberal party 'leadership' because it sounds good to their brainless supporters. But it's not physically or economically feasible.

Not to mention electric batteries are so hideously filthy to put together you have to drive them for a VERY long way to actually put out fewer CO2s than cars powered by gas.

[I am Groot]

On 12/30/2022 at 10:52 AM, Tony Hladun said:

I'm glad to see the 2026 target.  On that date hopes and dreams will collide with reality and then maybe we'll do something sensible.  Remember this target comes from the boys who've never hit a target yet.  The sad thing is we're wasting time and money, both of which we don't have, pretending.

You misunderstand the purpose of the policy. The purpose is to get more votes in the upcoming election. What happens after that really isn't their concern. If it makes them look good and virtuous and earns them a few extra votes it's well worth it. That it's not actually a workable policy is not a consideration. 

[I am Groot]

On 12/27/2022 at 1:03 AM, herbie said:

Tell me what a wacko I am 2 years from now when 1/2 the cars on the showroom floor are EVs and Toyota lots are full of Hydrogen fuel cells. It's GM and Stellantis that hurt from dragging their asses. The first dealerships will be opening in months for Vietnames EV only brands.

I can tell you what a wacko you are today. No need to wait two years.

Watch what happens to the enthusiasm of US car companies when the Republicans take over the White House in two years and those tax incentives abruptly dry up.

[herbie]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Watch what happens to the enthusiasm of US car companies when the Republicans take over the White House in two years and those tax incentives abruptly dry up.

And of course, the same party of dinosaurs would most lkely put a tariff on foreign made ones too. Lead us backwards into the 19th century with steam powered cars powered by plentiful coal that people can do honest, proud work mining and getting lung cancer in right to work states with no minimum wage laws. They'll end all this woke "progress" nonsense!

FFS give up this hope your ideals might prevail over everyone else's and don't buy one if you don't want to. Maybe your Pontiac Sunfire will be a collector icon and sell at Barret Jackson for $100K in 20 years,

[herbie]

Gee that was a bad reference. In 20 years $100K will be like $500