Canada moves to mandate electric vehicle sales starting in 2026

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Mandating 20% of new vehicles be EVs by 2026 makes me wonder what give the government the authority to do this.  Also what gives them the authority to mandate 30% of land and water areas must be designated preserved?  Was there a law passed by Parliament giving them the authority or where did they get it?

Government can mandate almost anything they want, see gun control for a perfect example, the original bill did not even have a debate in parliament, the second bill they snuck a huge amendment to pass through the rest of their gun control measures, it was done to deceive law abiding fire arm owners and the rest of Canadians into thinking it was for their safety. It all comes down to we have no property rights here in Canada, and the government can take away anything you legally obtained with out much thought. 

How or what the government will do once we hit 2035 , will fossil fuel vehicles even be allowed to to be driven, can you sell them, or do we turn them in to the junk yards and forced to purchase something new. 

 

[blackbird]

29 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Government can mandate almost anything they want, see gun control for a perfect example, the original bill did not even have a debate in parliament, the second bill they snuck a huge amendment to pass through the rest of their gun control measures, it was done to deceive law abiding fire arm owners and the rest of Canadians into thinking it was for their safety. It all comes down to we have no property rights here in Canada, and the government can take away anything you legally obtained with out much thought. 

How or what the government will do once we hit 2035 , will fossil fuel vehicles even be allowed to to be driven, can you sell them, or do we turn them in to the junk yards and forced to purchase something new. 

 

Yes, if government can mandate anything they want without a democratic process by the duly elected MPs, what kind of system is that?  One would think that at least courts and judges would rule the government's actions as unconstitutional because they did not go through the required process.

Even a law called the greenhouse gas carbon pollution act which was passed through Parliament is a fraud for the simple reason greenhouse gas or carbon dioxide is not pollution.   It is a normal part of the atmosphere.  

Edited December 22, 2022 by blackbird

[Queenmandy85]

If we, as a global population, do not stop dumping carbon into the atmosphere asap, you can forget about democracy. 

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If we, as a global population, do not stop dumping carbon into the atmosphere asap, you can forget about democracy. 

No shit!
As I said: the garbage can is full so it's stoopid to sweep the floor, there's nowhere to put the dust.

Or for the thick: There's some problems to overcome, so you insist the objective can't be met. Empty the garbage can!!!

Like the constant deflection and imaginations such as pretending you have no say, the gov't is some alien entity that rules like a tyrant, that commercial vehicles will be banned too, that you have a God given right to buy whatever you want, to quote misleading sources to 'prove' things?
FFS the objective is to cut carbon emissions by reducing the use of fossil fuels. Bawl all you want, that's what is happening whether you like it or not.

There's only 2 ways at the moment to make ZEVs, battery or hydrogen. That's what they're doing.
 

Edited December 22, 2022 by herbie

[WestCanMan]

Do they think that we will have enough electricity to replace gas-powered cars with electric-powered cars? 

I'm pretty sure that's not a thing. 

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If we, as a global population, do not stop dumping carbon into the atmosphere asap, you can forget about democracy. 

The people who keep saying that fly around in private jets, cruise around in yachts, and own multiple mega-homes. 

They tell us that we all need to vaccinate against covid, that there are no side-effects worth considering, and that the vaccines are working. 

I'm so sick of those God-damned liars I could scream.

If Trudeau really believed what he was saying, would he fly 2 jumbo jets around the country for his election campaign and then buy carbon offsets (total BS) or would he leave the reporters to fend for themselves and take his chances on the reporters in Edm, Van, Reg, Sak, Cal, Vict, etc?

Honest to God, that little weasel gives the media hundreds of millions of dollars before every election, does he need to fly them around on a jumbo jet to cover his campaign as well? Do they have to wipe their own asses or does Trudeau hire Antifa boys to do that for them? 

I'm so sick of this BS that I might buy a 1975 Cadillac and tow a boat behind it everywhere I go. I'll just tell all the slack-jawed leftards: "It's ok, I'm buying carbon offsets 😉"

[Queenmandy85]

11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm so sick of those God-damned liars I could scream.

They may be hypocrites but they are right about climate change and they were right about no serious side effects about vaccines.

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

They may be hypocrites but they are right about climate change and they were right about no serious side effects about vaccines.

"Don't Bogart that joint my friend . . . pass it over to Herbie, or ExFlyer."

[ironstone]

More on cobalt mining which gets used in EV's and our other devices.

My power was out for 6 hours today. What will it be like when there is a much bigger strain on the grid?

[herbie]

The chorus of Can'tservatives sings again.

Jeez we have 6-12 hour power outages every couple months here. Tne gas pumps don't work, the bank machines don't work and the lights and doors in the shops don't work. You stay home until it's fixed. Or maybe if you have a full tank of gas AND the roads are open you blow $50 worth of gas to wait it our in the next town.

And thank all the Can'tservative politicians that are STILL telling you it's due to trees falling on the lines and can't even think of cutting them back clear... the same ones who built the firebreak that stops just before town because the budget ran out....

[ironstone]

55 minutes ago, herbie said:

The chorus of Can'tservatives sings again.

Jeez we have 6-12 hour power outages every couple months here. Tne gas pumps don't work, the bank machines don't work and the lights and doors in the shops don't work. You stay home until it's fixed. Or maybe if you have a full tank of gas AND the roads are open you blow $50 worth of gas to wait it our in the next town.

And thank all the Can'tservative politicians that are STILL telling you it's due to trees falling on the lines and can't even think of cutting them back clear... the same ones who built the firebreak that stops just before town because the budget ran out....

Being an Ontario resident and living out in the boonies, I have enough experience living with power outages. I will admit things are actually better now than a number of years ago. During the McGuinty/ Wynne era, I lost power quite often. It was not uncommon for the power to go out in perfect weather and always without advance notice so it was not because of maintenance.

Being a sceptic isn't always the best way to think about things, but neither is being gullible and believing everything that governments tell you. 

[West]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do they think that we will have enough electricity to replace gas-powered cars with electric-powered cars? 

I'm pretty sure that's not a thing. 

No that's the point. Useless eaters can stay home while the ultra rich will do their thing  

[blackbird]

There are only a few charging stations in this town.  I would be interested to know where all the charging stations will be if the number of EVs is increased to even 100 in a town of 20,000 people.  Charging stations can be built in yards but they cost thousands of dollars for one charging station.  They require special underground cables that are very thick and special equipment.  Possibly a new electrical panel and drop from the power lines into the property to accommodate the high current draw of a fast charging station.  Apartment buildings will be a huge problem if the government expects a lot of people in an apartment building to buy EVs.  Also the cost of EVs is thousands of dollars more than a gas vehicle.  

 Canada is spread out and there are vast distances of hundreds or thousands of kilometers between many towns, villages, and cities.  People often must travel great distances for doctor's appointments, visiting relatives, etc.  Many EVs are limited in their range and who has the time to sit in a small place at a charging station for hours waiting for the EV to be recharged?  

Canada is also a cold country where vehicles need a good heater for the long winters.  Heaters take a lot of electrical power and in an EV that is the only power source.  That is another problem with EV in a cold country.

[herbie]

8 hours ago, ironstone said:

Being a sceptic isn't always the best way to think about things, but neither is being gullible and believing everything that governments tell you. 

The gov't doesn't tell us shit. They're barely capable of sending the pension cheques to the right address. THe last to know, so they just make pronouncements that make them appear to have a clue.
The transition should've begun 30 years ago but a certain Republican hero stepped in and ruled California's mandates weren't legal. How many trillions and hundreds of thousands of lives been spent fighting over oil since those days? And CO2 warnings were sounding back then.

Yet so many want to keep stalling. And digging up the lamest of reasons to do so.

[herbie]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Canada is also a cold country where vehicles need a good heater for the long winters.  Heaters take a lot of electrical power and in an EV that is the only power source.  That is another problem with EV in a cold country.

2x4 to the head time once again?

They're not FOR driving from Calgary to Toronto. You've probably never even driven your gas car for that distance. To do your daily routine - normally less than 16 km that you could've done in a 1909 Baker Electric.

Swack!

[Nefarious Banana]

'The Disturbing Reality of Cobalt Mining for Rechargeable Batteries'  ......  # 1914,  Joe Rogan Experience

 

[ironstone]

6 hours ago, herbie said:

The gov't doesn't tell us shit. They're barely capable of sending the pension cheques to the right address. THe last to know, so they just make pronouncements that make them appear to have a clue.
The transition should've begun 30 years ago but a certain Republican hero stepped in and ruled California's mandates weren't legal. How many trillions and hundreds of thousands of lives been spent fighting over oil since those days? And CO2 warnings were sounding back then.

Yet so many want to keep stalling. And digging up the lamest of reasons to do so.

I don't know if you watched any of the links that I posted or not but on one of them a claim is made that even if we all switch to EV's, the worldwide consumption of oil will drop about...10%. Not insignificant but not exactly a huge drop either. It's like no EV proponents seem to be aware of the use of oil for transportation. Ships, planes, rail.

Like many others, my big concern is that we are moving way too fast before all the infrastructure is ready. See places like California, nice warm, sunny climate. They have strongly been  pushing EV's on consumers... and EV owners are told to charge ONLY  during specific hours. Because the grid can't handle it.

Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban (newsweek.com)

I didn't get your take on cobalt mining. Or energy storage. Or the cost to upgrade the grid.

[Nefarious Banana]

Remove all petroleum based components from your EV . . . . you couldn't even push it into your garage.

Electricity?   Where does it come from . . . . the wall socket?

Let's dam up the few remaining pristine rivers for hydro-electric power so you, Mr. Green, can plug in your EV.

 

[Nefarious Banana]

11 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I didn't get your take on cobalt mining. Or energy storage. Or the cost to upgrade the grid.

Tried to post the link but was unable to do so.  If you Google the title, it will come up.  It's a real eye-opener, and well worth watching. 14.44 minutes long.  

[blackbird]

On 12/22/2022 at 10:30 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

If we, as a global population, do not stop dumping carbon into the atmosphere asap, you can forget about democracy. 

Carbon is a normal part of life on earth and a normal part of the atmosphere.  Without it there would be no life.

Where is your proof that we must "stop dumping carbon...."?  For what reason and what is the proof?

[ironstone]

31 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Tried to post the link but was unable to do so.  If you Google the title, it will come up.  It's a real eye-opener, and well worth watching. 14.44 minutes long.  

Yes, the Joe Rogan clip. The cobalt mining industry looks pretty horrific in those 3rd world countries. There doesn't seem to be much concern about it from EV advocates either.

[ironstone]

On 12/22/2022 at 1:30 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

If we, as a global population, do not stop dumping carbon into the atmosphere asap, you can forget about democracy. 

There are other things that release carbon into the atmosphere.

The mathematics of leaf decay | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Come autumn, trees shed their leaves, leaving them to decompose in the soil as they are eaten by microbes.  Over time, decaying leaves release carbon back into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide.In fact, the natural decay of organic carbon contributes more than 90 percent of the yearly carbon dioxide released into Earth’s atmosphere and oceans.

[ironstone]

Hey, just want to wish everyone in here all the best for Christmas no matter what side of the political spectrum you might be on!😀

[blackbird]

Interesting article in N.P. explaining why the Liberals will not be able to carry out this mandate for EVs.

John Ivison: Why Liberals will have to backtrack on 'aggressive' push to bump electric vehicle sales (msn.com)

Actually the article says the electric charger would be $870 but if you check into it, to install a proper charging station could cost thousands of dollars.  It may require the power company to install a heavier gauge drop wire from the power lines into your residence.  It may require a new electrical panel, it may require new underground heavy wiring, and it may require installing an proper outlet or plug in charging stand somewhere.  $870 would hardly pay for any of that.  I had 40 amp electrical power installed to my shed underground from the panel in the house and it cost $3000 and includes a couple heaters and a few flourescent lights in the shed.  That kind of thing is expensive.  It also depends where the car will be parked and charged.  The least expensive installation might be around a thousand.  But that would be if there is an electrical panel nearby and only need a slow charger.  A fast charger requires an expensive installation.

Edited December 24, 2022 by blackbird

[Army Guy]

On 12/22/2022 at 5:54 PM, herbie said:

No shit!
As I said: the garbage can is full so it's stoopid to sweep the floor, there's nowhere to put the dust.

Or for the thick: There's some problems to overcome, so you insist the objective can't be met. Empty the garbage can!!!

Like the constant deflection and imaginations such as pretending you have no say, the gov't is some alien entity that rules like a tyrant, that commercial vehicles will be banned too, that you have a God given right to buy whatever you want, to quote misleading sources to 'prove' things?
FFS the objective is to cut carbon emissions by reducing the use of fossil fuels. Bawl all you want, that's what is happening whether you like it or not.

There's only 2 ways at the moment to make ZEVs, battery or hydrogen. That's what they're doing.
 

Man , why is there always so much drama with you,

Ya the sky is fallen, the garbage can is full, Its the conservatives fault for not doing this or that. Typical leftist response really, always pointing fingers looking for a scape goat. The problem is the Left has been in power in this nation, for over 8 years now, and the best solution they have come up with is the Carbon tax.

Well it's time to STFU the lefts solution has failed to reach any of it's goals or targets in the last 3 attempts. How stupid do you have to be to see it is not working period. I get it 4 th time is the charm. it's will always be the conservatives fault wake up and smell the coffee, Canadians are not willing to put out of pocket to save this climate crises, becasue they are to lazy or to cheap, or to stupid.

You might be alright with the government banning the use of private property, I'm not, i already give the government a good chunk of what i earn, i should be allowed to keep anything i legally purchased without question. and to do it by lying and deceiving the rest of the nation into thinking it is ok, is BS. This liberal government has been using misleading sources for a long time now, and now they just lie. what is it they said, say it often enough and loud enough and they will believe anything. 

So your solution is STFU and let the left find the solution becasue it is going to happen like it or not, i mean your results so far are impressive, 0 for 3 how more tries do you need. Time to move over and let someone else try.