Random crimes in the public transit, another episode, story from the public transit

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No.  Every person and psychotic disorder is different and it depends on what the mental problem of the person is.  What one says, is hypothetical.   He may need specialized medical/health care depending on what the problem is.  Listening is sometimes the best approach.  Some people are not capable of listening to anything.   Don't assume Biblical truth can be presented to everyone in the same way.  A mentally ill person is in a different space.  However, that type of person is not as common as you seem to think.

So you do understand that filling a mentally ill person's head with the certainty they could be tortured by demons and burn in agony forever is not a good idea.

Quote

 

Most people are in between or different shades of grey.

 

 Not hard-boiled Christians. Reality is strictly black or white.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So you do understand that filling a mentally ill person's head with the certainty they could be tortured by demons and burn in agony forever is not a good idea.

 Not hard-boiled Christians. Reality is strictly black or white.

 You like to twist everything to try to create a bizarre picture or extreme picture.  You seem to have false notions.  

Just wondered how you came to believe these things.  Were you abused by a priest or some religious person?  Why do you think the way you do?

 

 

[eyeball]

Just now, blackbird said:

 You like to twist everything to try to create a bizarre picture or extreme picture.  You seem to have false notions.  

Just wondered how you came to believe these things.  Were you abused by a priest or some religious person?  Why do you think the way you do?

What? I don't believe these things, Christians do. I don't think this way at all because thinking this way is nuts.

[blackbird]

Just now, eyeball said:

What? I don't believe these things, Christians do. I don't think this way at all because thinking this way is nuts.

What makes you think biblical Christianity is "nuts"?   Have you ever studied the Bible?  Do you know anything about it?  Do you believe in God?   If you have not studied the Bible, how do you know it is "nuts"?   

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What? I don't believe these things, Christians do. I don't think this way at all because thinking this way is nuts.

Were you abused in your life somehow?

[Nefarious Banana]

Just now, blackbird said:

What makes you think biblical Christianity is "nuts"?   Have you ever studied the Bible?  Do you know anything about it?  Do you believe in God?   If you have not studied the Bible, how do you know it is "nuts"?   

Many/most of your posts eventually veer-off to your religious beliefs.  Question:  Are you a preacher/minister/rabbi/etc.?

[eyeball]

Just now, blackbird said:

What makes you think biblical Christianity is "nuts"? 

The supernaturalism.

Quote

1. Have you ever studied the Bible?  2. Do you know anything about it?  3. Do you believe in God?

1. No.   2. I've read the reviews. 3. No.

Quote

If you have not studied the Bible, how do you know it is "nuts"?

The same answer as above, it's not based in reality. It's quite literally a fairy tale.

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Many/most of your posts eventually veer-off to your religious beliefs.  Question:  Are you a preacher/minister/rabbi/etc.?

No, I am not.  Just an ordinary old senior who was saved by grace 42 years ago.   I heard the gospel on the radio one night while listening to a Christian station gospel message and believe it.   That is when I believe the Lord saved me. 

 I have since heard lots of sermons in the past and read quite a bit on the Bible and studied it somewhat.  I don't claim to be an expert.  Have you read any of it?

Edited December 20, 2022 by blackbird

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Were you abused in your life somehow?

Nope, not at all.

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope, not at all.

Ok.  So it has nothing to do with abuse.

You say you don't believe in God.  Have you ever thought of how everything came into existence, the universe for example?  You realize the universe could not come from nothing without a supernatural being?

[dialamah]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

I would re-open any old hospitals that are salvageable, build a few new ones, empower the police to have a person committed...with controls like reviews...and make the city safe for citizens/victims, instead of worrying about the warped reality that is worrying about the perpetrators. 

I agree that people who are sick - whether due to substance abuse or mental illness - should be mandated to treatment rather than jail when they run afoul of the law.

Should they be sent to treatment for living on the street?  That's a harder question for me. There is something to be said for bodily autonomy and the right to make one's own decisions, but should that right be suspended in cases of addiction and mental illness?  

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The supernaturalism.

1. No.   2. I've read the reviews. 3. No.

The same answer as above, it's not based in reality. It's quite literally a fairy tale.

Why do we believe the Bible is actually the word of God? - Denison Forum

 

[eyeball]

Just now, blackbird said:

Have you ever thought of how everything came into existence, the universe for example?  You realize the universe could not come from nothing without a supernatural being?

Sure I've thought about it and no, I don't realize that at all.  No one can because there is a physical limit to what we can see and measure.  Astronomy and cosmology are my favourite hobbies. If I'm going to let my mind wander around the stretchy imaginative thinking and direction these fields of study point to I'm going to let my guide be science.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I agree that people who are sick - whether due to substance abuse or mental illness - should be mandated to treatment rather than jail when they run afoul of the law.

Should they be sent to treatment for living on the street?  That's a harder question for me. There is something to be said for bodily autonomy and the right to make one's own decisions, but should that right be suspended in cases of addiction and mental illness?  

Sometimes, but the offset should be that they receive meaningful medical treatment. Suspending this right to simply make it convenient to warehouse patients with minimal treatment is wrong.  

[blackbird]

34 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

 

 

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure I've thought about it and no, I don't realize that at all.  No one can because there is a physical limit to what we can see and measure.  Astronomy and cosmology are my favourite hobbies. If I'm going to let my mind wander around the stretchy imaginative thinking and direction these fields of study point to I'm going to let my guide be science.

I was very interested in science when I was around ten or twelve and had my own chemistry lab in the basement room.  Did lots of things with it.  I have liked astronomy too.  Genuine empirical science is in agreement with the Bible.  It does not contradict it.  Many famous scientists believed in God and that he created the universe.  It is simple logic.  A universe can not create itself.  The Big Bang theory is full of holes and has been debunked.   There are many youtube messages explaining all this.  There are some famous debates between a well-known Christian professor and Richard Dawkins, the famous atheist.  I watched one or two on youtube.

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by blackbird

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure I've thought about it and no, I don't realize that at all.  No one can because there is a physical limit to what we can see and measure.  Astronomy and cosmology are my favourite hobbies. If I'm going to let my mind wander around the stretchy imaginative thinking and direction these fields of study point to I'm going to let my guide be science.

You realize science is not infallible.  Many claims from "science" have often been found later to be false.  Much of science often changes over time.  You are correct in saying the supernatural cannot be known by the scientific method.  There is a degree of logic or faith in believing in the supernatural.  Science has limits.  Nobody was around when the universe began to observe what happened.  So people who say how it began are only guessing or speculating if it is different than what the Bible says.    The supernatural is not a part of material or observable universe.  It is separate.  God is separate from the material universe.  The Bible says he is a spirit and is present everywhere.   Mankind has always believe in a God or gods because it is something in his conscience that tells him it is a fact.  It makes sense.   Something can not come from nothing.

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Many/most of your posts eventually veer-off to your religious beliefs.  Question:  Are you a preacher/minister/rabbi/etc.?

Yes I do veer off into religious beliefs.  That is because politics is often closely connected with morality.  Morality is something the Bible specializes in.  Governments often impose their own morality through laws on society.  That often demands a response from the Bible, which is God's word to man.  No, I am not a preacher.  Just an old guy who believes the Bible.

Edited December 20, 2022 by blackbird

[Nefarious Banana]

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 I have since heard lots of sermons in the past and read quite a bit on the Bible and studied it somewhat.  I don't claim to be an expert.  Have you read any of it?

Have tried to read it at different times in my life, but like eyeball, the 'supernaturalism'  is a stumbling point.  I grew up on the prairies with my native beliefs of mother earth/father sky . . . will sustain you or kill you. 

 

[blackbird]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure I've thought about it and no, I don't realize that at all.  No one can because there is a physical limit to what we can see and measure.  Astronomy and cosmology are my favourite hobbies. If I'm going to let my mind wander around the stretchy imaginative thinking and direction these fields of study point to I'm going to let my guide be science.

If astronomy and cosmology are your favourite subjects, you might be interested in the supernatural because it also adds another dimension, which is an actual fact.  

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Have tried to read it at different times in my life, but like eyeball, the 'supernaturalism'  is a stumbling point.  I grew up on the prairies with my native beliefs of mother earth/father sky . . . will sustain you or kill you. 

 

Yes, that is interesting.   Those are common beliefs of many people in the world.  Might be worth the effort to study the supernatural from a biblical perspective.  There is strong evidence of its truth, but I realize I am not going to convince anyone on here.  It requires personal effort by someone themselves.  Fortunately the internet has literally millions of articles, videos, and audio messages on the subject.  One website with around 2.5 million sermons or messages is sermon audio.  You can google it.  Countless topics from countless sources on the supernatural.

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Have tried to read it at different times in my life, but like eyeball, the 'supernaturalism'  is a stumbling point.  I grew up on the prairies with my native beliefs of mother earth/father sky . . . will sustain you or kill you. 

 

The prairies are a great place.  Incredible fishing country.  So many lakes.

[Contrarian]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You realize science is not infallible.  

You are the one that needs to prove his theory, so when you can't, your argument is the above + "Something can not come out of nothing". 

Yes, again the second time that we agree. As an agnostic, I think we are like ants in the big picture, some of us do not handle the uncertainty and need Abraham. I have nothing against that, just don't expect other ants to follow. You are trying very hard though, but at the end of the day you sound just like an idealistic person frustrated that the world does not see what you see. 

If only everyone was as you are. I understand why the younger generations tend to lose patience towards these types of messages. The arrogance is laughable. You justify it as being faith. The same type of language of any orthodox in any religion. This is why I don't agree with people shutting off opinions like yours. The effect is opposite. Please keep writing, these types of messages in 2022 only helps to give credence to the theory that some religious folks live in previous centuries. 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Contrarian

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You are the one that needs to prove his theory, so when you can't, your argument is the above + "Nothing can't come out of nothing". 

Yes, again the second time that we agree. As an agnostic, I think we are like ants in the big picture, some of us do not handle the uncertainty and need Abraham. I have nothing against that, just don't expect other ants to follow. You are trying very hard though, but at the end of the day you sound just like an idealistic person frustrated that the world does not see what you see. 

If only everyone was as you are. I understand why the younger generations tend to lose patience towards people like you. The arrogance is laughable. You justify it as being faith. The same type of language of any orthodox in any religion. This is why I don't agree with people shutting off opinions like yours. The effect is opposite. Please keep writing, these types of messages in 2022 only helps to give credence to the theory that some religious folks live in previous centuries. 

Yes they lived in previous centuries because God revealed himself to Abraham and others thousands of years ago.  The 40 different writers of the Bible received their revelation from God over a period of 1,500 years beginning about 3,300 years ago and completing it about 1,900 years ago.  The simple fact is a group of people alive today do not have a monopoly on truth.  A group of atheist scientists who claim man evolved from the slime in a pond or from apes do not have a monopoly on truth and there are many scientists who disagree with atheist scientists.  They have debunked the theory of evolution.  There is more credence for creationism that there is for evolution.  If evolution were a fact, where are the transitional fossils?  They do not exist.  One would think if evolution were true, there would be millions of transitional fossils throughout the layers of the earth to show the evolution between different species.  But they don't exist because the theory was a fraud to begin with.  Yet it has been and still is taught in schools as if it were a fact, totally deceiving generations of young people.

Edited December 20, 2022 by blackbird

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You are the one that needs to prove his theory, so when you can't, your argument is the above + "Nothing can't come out of nothing". 

Yes, again the second time that we agree. As an agnostic, I think we are like ants in the big picture, some of us do not handle the uncertainty and need Abraham. I have nothing against that, just don't expect other ants to follow. You are trying very hard though, but at the end of the day you sound just like an idealistic person frustrated that the world does not see what you see. 

If only everyone was as you are. I understand why the younger generations tend to lose patience towards people like you. The arrogance is laughable. You justify it as being faith. The same type of language of any orthodox in any religion. This is why I don't agree with people shutting off opinions like yours. The effect is opposite. Please keep writing, these types of messages in 2022 only helps to give credence to the theory that some religious folks live in previous centuries. 

I may have already explained at least part of the Bible.  Genesis tells how God created the universe and everything in it.  It tells how God called Abraham and made him the father of the Jewish nation.  The Jewish nation was God's chosen people to give his revelation (the Bible) to mankind.  It was through this nation that the prophets wrote the Bible and through them Jesus Christ came to earth.  The Bible gives the actual lineage of Jesus Christ to show he is actually the descendent of King David of Israel.  This is fact.  Although the Bible was written by about 40 different authors, it all fits together like a glove, which is an amazing fact in itself.  It tells about the fall of mankind, why the world is a corrupt, fallen place, and what the solution is for mankind.  Everyone has the choice what they choose to believe.  Nobody is forced to believe anything.  That is just how God ordained things to be.  He did not create robots.  He created people with free will to choose what they do and believe.

It is also an amazing thing that the Jewish nation was dispersed through the world 2,000 years ago by the Romans, but they are the only nation on the earth that never ceased to exist as a people.  Then 2,000 years later, they came back to their promised land and formed the nation of Israel in 1948.  This could be a miracle in and of itself.  

Edited December 20, 2022 by blackbird

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

I agree that people who are sick - whether due to substance abuse or mental illness - should be mandated to treatment rather than jail when they run afoul of the law.

Should they be sent to treatment for living on the street?  That's a harder question for me. There is something to be said for bodily autonomy and the right to make one's own decisions, but should that right be suspended in cases of addiction and mental illness?  

Like in the case of vaccines...perhaps?

If one lives on the street, one is either really down and out...or just nuts. The nuts can go to the nuthouse...the down and outs can perhaps get some real help.