There is no White privilege. Prove otherwise

[reason10]

Name ANY law on the books TODAY that gives Caucasian Americans more rights than black America. (And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to INSULT black Americans by calling them African Americans. That suggests they need a hyphen. Blacks in America have earned better.)

Name the law. Here's the federal statutes.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/te=7-

Of course the black family unit is practically destroyed. 70 percent of all black children today are born in single parent homes. And this is the white racist SOB who is responsible.

So Jews in America are highly successful, well educated and have intact families. Why is no one claiming Jewish Privilege?

(Or do you think this guy is not white?)

Actually Asians in America have the highest incomes, the largest concentration of college degrees and most intact families. Why aren't goose stepping Woke activists claiming Asian privilege?

Ask yourself when the black family was more intact? In the Forties and Fifties during the Democrat Party Jim Crow laws or today?

https://libertarianinstitute.org/economics/lbj-great-society-war-on-poverty-welfare-state-helped-ruin-black-communities/

 

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“The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.”

 Thomas Sowell

 

 

In some ways there HAS BEEN white privilege, in that blacks in America HAVE been the victims of white policies.

(See the racist Texan redneck above.) Certainly, blacks were drafted to serve in the Vietnam War, (expanded by Johnson.)

So there's a little something for everybody.

And maybe we should call this LIBERAL LEFT WING PRIVILEGE.

 

 

Or does ANY Wokestepper here even understand the concept at all.

Edited December 14, 2022 by reason10

[Rebound]

You quoted Thomas Sowell, who said that the black family survived slavery. How does that square with the fact that the children of slaves were routinely sold off to other owners?

[The Sage of Main Street]

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

Name ANY law on the books TODAY that gives Caucasian Americans more rights than black America. (And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to INSULT black Americans by calling them African Americans. That suggests they need a hyphen. Blacks in America have earned better.)

Name the law. Here's the federal statutes.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/te=7-

Of course the black family unit is practically destroyed. 70 percent of all black children today are born in single parent homes. And this is the white racist SOB who is responsible.

So Jews in America are highly successful, well educated and have intact families. Why is no one claiming Jewish Privilege?

(Or do you think this guy is not white?)

Actually Asians in America have the highest incomes, the largest concentration of college degrees and most intact families. Why aren't goose stepping Woke activists claiming Asian privilege?

Ask yourself when the black family was more intact? In the Forties and Fifties during the Democrat Party Jim Crow laws or today?

https://libertarianinstitute.org/economics/lbj-great-society-war-on-poverty-welfare-state-helped-ruin-black-communities/

 

 

In some ways there HAS BEEN white privilege, in that blacks in America HAVE been the victims of white policies.

(See the racist Texan redneck above.) Certainly, blacks were drafted to serve in the Vietnam War, (expanded by Johnson.)

So there's a little something for everybody.

And maybe we should call this LIBERAL LEFT WING PRIVILEGE.

 

 

Or does ANY Wokestepper here even understand the concept at all.

Whites Made America Great.  We Tamed the Wilderness.

 

The word "privilege" has been distorted by the Illiterate Liberal Language Lords to imply that it is never deserved.  But Whites earned these privileges, so I have no problem in admitting that there is such a thing as White Privilege.

[Rebound]

Institutionalized racism exists when laws don’t protect people against racism. 
 

 

 

[ironstone]

Nobody on the left has an answer as to why Asians do better than everyone else in many respects. Just silence and a blank stare.

So I'll ask again, why are Asians doing better than whites economically? Hint, it's not institutional racism.

[Rebound]

13 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Nobody on the left has an answer as to why Asians do better than everyone else in many respects. Just silence and a blank stare.

So I'll ask again, why are Asians doing better than whites economically? Hint, it's not institutional racism.

There are many Asians living in poverty in the United States.  But you’re certainly right, the reason why successful Asians are successful is not institutional racism.  
 

But I’ve never been arrested by a cop for picking up trash in front of my house.

[ironstone]

35 minutes ago, Rebound said:

There are many Asians living in poverty in the United States.  But you’re certainly right, the reason why successful Asians are successful is not institutional racism.  
 

But I’ve never been arrested by a cop for picking up trash in front of my house.

I'm not sure I can successfully argue against the victimhood tactic of so many blacks since it seems to be pretty effective in making most white people feel guilty for things they haven't done and are not responsible for.

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

I'm not sure I can successfully argue against the victimhood tactic of so many blacks since it seems to be pretty effective in making most white people feel guilty for things they haven't done and are not responsible for.

 

The only whites who need feel guilty are those who don't acknowledge and seek to rectify the unjust burden placed on the black race by the long legacy of racism sanctioned by their government, esp slavery and Jim Crow, etc. 

[reason10]

15 hours ago, Rebound said:

You quoted Thomas Sowell, who said that the black family survived slavery. How does that square with the fact that the children of slaves were routinely sold off to other owners?

I'll wait patiently while you produce documented proof of that practice.

[reason10]

I'll resurrect the correct claim that whiteness had ZERO to do with my success in life. I was raised in a home with TWO parents because the federal government did not target my family with vote buying welfare state money. I was taught to work hard and smart. NOTHING I have today was taken away from a single black person, much less the race. I do not owe them a penny.

Blackness had nothing to do with the success in the lives of Dr. Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and others. They EARNED their station in life with hard work. Nobody gave them ANYTHING.

[Rebound]

43 minutes ago, reason10 said:

I'll resurrect the correct claim that whiteness had ZERO to do with my success in life. I was raised in a home with TWO parents because the federal government did not target my family with vote buying welfare state money. I was taught to work hard and smart. NOTHING I have today was taken away from a single black person, much less the race. I do not owe them a penny.

Blackness had nothing to do with the success in the lives of Dr. Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and others. They EARNED their station in life with hard work. Nobody gave them ANYTHING.

False.  Thomas’ role in the federal government was as director of the EEOC, and he was nominated to the SCOTUS to fill the position of African American Thurgood Marshall.  

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

I'll wait patiently while you produce documented proof of that practice.

I don’t know what’s worse: The horrors of slavery, or the fact that this doesn’t even phase you. 
 

Documented proof? Sure, no problem! The practice of slave children, even babies, being sold is so well documented that the Smithsonian devoted an entire exhibit to it. You can also read Frederick Douglass’ book.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/31/barbaric-americas-cruel-history-of-separating-children-from-their-parents/

“A mother unleashed a piercing scream as her baby was ripped from her arms during a slave auction. Even as a lash cut her back, she refused to put her baby down and climb atop an auction block. The woman pleaded for God’s mercy, Henry Bibb, a former slave, recalled in an 1849 narrative that is part of “The Weeping Time” exhibit at the Smithsonian’s Museum of African American History and Culture, which documents the tragic U.S. history of enslaved children being separated from their enslaved parents. “But the child was torn from the arms of its mother amid the most heart-rending shrieks from the mother and child on the one hand, and the bitter oaths and cruel lashes from the tyrants on the other.” Her mother was sold to the highest bidder. Enslaved mothers and fathers lived with the constant fear that they or their children might be sold away. “Night and day, you could hear men and women screaming … ma, pa, sister or brother … taken without any warning,” Susan Hamilton, another witness to a slave auction, recalled in a 1938 interview. “People was always dying from a broken heart.”

Edited December 15, 2022 by Rebound

[ironstone]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

The only whites who need feel guilty are those who don't acknowledge and seek to rectify the unjust burden placed on the black race by the long legacy of racism sanctioned by their government, esp slavery and Jim Crow, etc. 

I think it's totally misguided to place blame for slavery and Jim Crow on white people, particularly when the vast majority of said people were not alive during the Jim Crow era and bear no responsibility for it. White people today are also not responsible for slavery. I should also point out to you that on the flip side, most blacks have not experienced Jim Crow firsthand and none have experienced slavery.

You want to hold todays white population responsible for slavery that occurred many generations ago, but if you follow that kind of logic should you not be pointing the finger at the Democrat party?

If you watch the link above, you will learn that blacks were not the only people that were enslaved. Not by a long shot.

[Hodad]

15 hours ago, ironstone said:

Nobody on the left has an answer as to why Asians do better than everyone else in many respects. Just silence and a blank stare.

So I'll ask again, why are Asians doing better than whites economically? Hint, it's not institutional racism.

This is a silly claim. There's actually quite a lot of research on achievement sliced and diced by demographic segment. 

There is plenty of anti-Asian racism in this country. The flavor is different, the stereotypes are different, but it's still there. What is very different is the history. As difficult as things have been for Asians in America, they weren't systematically destroyed for hundreds of years. Families were intact. Generational wealth was accumulated. And many families teach their children with rigorous discipline that they will have to work harder to go the same distance against the headwinds of discrimination. The Tiger Mom is a real thing--and it's not just the moms. Yes, that's a stereotype unto itself, but it's one born out of the Asian-American experience. 

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

There is plenty of anti-Asian racism in this country.  

Of course there is.  We put Asian people in camps in the 20th century.  The logic seems to be "if people do well financially then racism doesn't exist"

It's a troll and this whole thread starts by asking to prove a negative which is also a troll.

The troll factor is starting to track like insect parts in a Taco Bell Gordo Burrito w/extra aphids...

[Hodad]

14 hours ago, ironstone said:

I'm not sure I can successfully argue against the victimhood tactic of so many blacks since it seems to be pretty effective in making most white people feel guilty for things they haven't done and are not responsible for.

 

There is a difference between feeling guilty about things one has done, and looking around from the privileged side of an unfair situation and acknowledging that it is unfair and seeking a remedy.

Some people who are the beneficiaries of an unfair situation simply lack the empathy and integrity to acknowledge the unfairness, let alone the courage to mitigate unfairness in service of justice.

[ironstone]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

This is a silly claim. There's actually quite a lot of research on achievement sliced and diced by demographic segment. 

There is plenty of anti-Asian racism in this country. The flavor is different, the stereotypes are different, but it's still there. What is very different is the history. As difficult as things have been for Asians in America, they weren't systematically destroyed for hundreds of years. Families were intact. Generational wealth was accumulated. And many families teach their children with rigorous discipline that they will have to work harder to go the same distance against the headwinds of discrimination. The Tiger Mom is a real thing--and it's not just the moms. Yes, that's a stereotype unto itself, but it's one born out of the Asian-American experience. 

I agree that there is plenty of anti-Asian racism in this country. I've seen too many horrific videos of Asians being attacked. But I also must point out that it seems that most of those attacks against Asians were perpetrated by African-Americans. And that doesn't really get mentioned much by the news media.

Asians do well because they tend to work really hard at everything. They are great role models for the rest of us in that way.

You didn't comment on the fact that throughout history, lots of whites were also enslaved in the past. It's safe to say that people of every race endured the horrors of slavery at one time or another. Thomas Sowell pointed out that slavery wasn't about a certain race being targeted so much as only people that happened to be vulnerable.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 Some people who are the beneficiaries of an unfair situation simply lack the empathy and integrity to acknowledge the unfairness, let alone the courage to mitigate unfairness in service of justice.

The principle I ask folks to come back on is around our connection to the past.

Here's the question:

"How are 'we' Canadians connected to our past ?"

Are we correct to hold ceremonies like 'Remembrance Day ?'.  Are traditions worthwhile ?  Should we commemorate our past achievers and how/why/when ?

There can only be so much consistency around how "the" public reacts to such things but spelling out a guiding principle that we could agree on might be a great reference point.

I would say 'we' have a tenuous connection to 'our' past, however the story of Canada needs to be something that all of us own, good or bad.  Our current circumstances doubtlessly inherit from past events and we need to address that - the good with the bad.

 

[reason10]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

False.  Thomas’ role in the federal government was as director of the EEOC, and he was nominated to the SCOTUS to fill the position of African American Thurgood Marshall.  

So you are being a racist saying that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas didn't earn his position? He is the smartest member of that court today. It wasn't affirmative action that put him there. He wasn't nominated because of his color and only a racist would say otherwise.

[reason10]

20 hours ago, Rebound said:

You quoted Thomas Sowell, who said that the black family survived slavery. How does that square with the fact that the children of slaves were routinely sold off to other owners?

Probably the fact that AFTER the Democrat Party lost the Civil War, freed blacks began forming families. That family unit was intact until the racist Johnson Administration destroyed it.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I think it's totally misguided to place blame for slavery and Jim Crow on white people, particularly when the vast majority of said people were not alive during the Jim Crow era and bear no responsibility for it. White people today are also not responsible for slavery. I should also point out to you that on the flip side, most blacks have not experienced Jim Crow firsthand and none have experienced slavery.

You want to hold todays white population responsible for slavery that occurred many generations ago, but if you follow that kind of logic should you not be pointing the finger at the Democrat party?

If you watch the link above, you will learn that blacks were not the only people that were enslaved. Not by a long shot.

Wanna blame ANYONE for slavery today, that's easy. Anyone wearing NIKES supports slavery, since those shoes were made by slave labor. Black NBA stars who bash America while getting million dollar contracts are the modern day Uncle Toms.

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, Rebound said:

Institutionalized racism exists when laws don’t protect people against racism. 

The examples you chose are not racism. I realize people use that word to describe virtually any sort of discriminatory behavior or different outcome among whites and blacks but that's out of sheer ignorance. 

Racism is literally the belief in the superiority of one race over another. Virtually no one but a few cranks believes in that in the Western world. The examples you provided are not of racism but prejudice. Prejudice literally means to pre-judge an individual based on the observed, proven or believed characteristics/traits of the group that person is a member of.

This is why young black men get stopped and searched far more than young White or Asian men. This is why black women get followed around in stores by clerks while Asians and whites generally are not. People are basing their suspicions on the group characteristics they know about. I.e., blacks committing far more violence or shoplifting than other groups.

If it were Asians who were known to commit more violence they'd be the ones being stopped and searched. They'd be the ones drawing suspicion when they drove around or entered a store.

People should be aware of prejudice and fight it in their behaviour. Of course, if you're the owner of an expensive leather shop in Manhattan, and 1% of your customers are black while you know from police statistics and your own experience that 80% of those who steal your goods are Black, well, it's hard to push back against prejudice. Prejudice is why black taxi drivers prefer not to pick up black customers. Also because black people don't tip as well as white people (generally). 

You can't lecture people about racism and get any traction against prejudice.  Because it isn't racism causing discrimination, it is the perceived behaviour of the group which is causing it. Really, to change prejudice you need to change the behaviour. Or at least, as an individual, do your best to stand out from the group.

[reason10]

20 hours ago, Rebound said:

Institutionalized racism exists when laws don’t protect people against racism. 
 

 

 

You apparently don't know how to read. I didn't ask if there was racism in America or even institutional racism. As long a there are Democrats there will be racism. I asked what LAW on the books gives Caucasian Americans more rights than blacks. And to bring you up to speed, laws are not sorted on the US Code in YouTube form.

[Hodad]

41 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I agree that there is plenty of anti-Asian racism in this country. I've seen too many horrific videos of Asians being attacked. But I also must point out that it seems that most of those attacks against Asians were perpetrated by African-Americans. And that doesn't really get mentioned much by the news media.

Asians do well because they tend to work really hard at everything. They are great role models for the rest of us in that way.

You didn't comment on the fact that throughout history, lots of whites were also enslaved in the past. It's safe to say that people of every race endured the horrors of slavery at one time or another. Thomas Sowell pointed out that slavery wasn't about a certain race being targeted so much as only people that happened to be vulnerable.

Of course I didn't comment on the fact that sometime in history whites were also enslaved. Why would I? Is it in any way relevant to the societies populating either the US or Canada? Or to the white privilege baked into those societies?

I think Sowell's nieces and nephews are probably right about him, but regardless, how is the core motivation for enslaving Blacks relevant to what actually happened in this country--to the facts and forces that shaped the Black experience through today?

[reason10]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of course there is.  We put Asian people in camps in the 20th century.  The logic seems to be "if people do well financially then racism doesn't exist"

It's a troll and this whole thread starts by asking to prove a negative which is also a troll.

The troll factor is starting to track like insect parts in a Taco Bell Gordo Burrito w/extra aphids...

The thread asks what LAW on the books specifically gives more rights to whites than blacks. I cited the US Code, (which the federal version of the Statutes. That's an easy question. So far, the real trolls here (the brain dead WOKE crowd) have done nothing but try to change the subject.