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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

The corruption in government (greased palms, lobbying, cushy jobs after political retirement) goes well beyond what we know.  Transparency would be welcome.    

Corruption's gone so far, for so long everywhere you go on the planet, its the main source of the gas that's inflating misinformation, fake news, delusion and worse, ideology, into a contraption that now resembles the Hindenburg.  

Transparency should be trans-formative. We need a break from the past that's on par with the Magna Carta.  I wonder how many commoners were running around back then seemingly mortified at the thought of their betters being held to account? 

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Agreed, but this has been an ongoing farce.  After the sponsorship scandal, Harper promised transparency and created the PBO etc, but then ended up muzzling all of his MP's, spoke rarely to media and feuded with the PBO when they weren't singing his praises.  Justin seems to be carrying on this fine tradition.

I don't think they can help themselves - putting people so close to the power of government without adequate oversight is Iike putting workers in nuclear plants close to reactors without adequate shielding. That's on us in a democracy I think.

  

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5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Just want to clarify a small thing. The service was to a communications company. The MP's office required the service so they went to the "standing offer" I mentioned earlier. they went with requirements to Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) with the requirements.

PSPC then went to the stranding offer and put it out to any company that wanted to bid. The evaluation was done by PSPC and several companies may have qualified. the lowest bid would be presented to the MP's office. Then the contract awarded.

Yes, if there was any connection to the MP, the MP should have disclosed affiliation. Most likely, the MP was not aware and the minions in the office (my biggest PIA while in procurement) would have just moved forward. Not defending, just explaining what might have happened. The MP may not have even known who the contract was with until much later.

As for MP consequences, well, they are more severe than the normal business for person because as an individual, you generally pick and choose who you want to deal with.

I'm not sure how the rest of the government does contracting, and i only assume it is basically universal through out, i mean most of the rules are based on PSPC policies and regulations.  

Not all purchases need to go through PSPC, anything under 25 k can be let locally, PSPC only gets involved with contracts or standing offers over 25 k. Those are submitted on Merc's and sit for 90- 120 days for companies to bid on as you suggested.. 

If someone had contracting authority within the her department or perhaps herself for some reason, then yes they could give a sole source contract out to whom ever they wanted to. The minister would hold some weight, kind of like if the CO wants something to happen he makes a phone call and poof it happens. If it went down like you said then the minister name would be miles away from the act, a non news item.  

Example while we were training for our first tour in Afghanistan, our base supply section wrote a contract with a Ex US Army Lt Col Grossman to give us a lecture from his book "on killing", To prep us on what to expect while in combat, and how to deal with the stresses of killing someone.

I and many others were tasked to make this happen and to arrange all of this,  total contract price could not go over 25 k mark. and it was all sole sourced. So it would be possible to give a contract out to anyone really, as long as it did not exceed 25 k.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Why would any cabinet minister worry about Ethics violations when the penalty is $500 at most.  A pittance.  The only real penalty is if the voters are upset and it affects the next election.  But it doesn't seem to.  Most voters don't seem to care about scandals.  Trudeau keeps getting re-elected in spite of the scandals.

The SNC Lavalin affair had a major impact on Prime Minister Trudeau's electoral fortunes. While the AG stopped it in its tracks, it tarnished the PM's reputation. He only held on to a minority because there was no alternative. His opponants were the leader of a splinter party or a failed apprentice insurance salesman who did not have the strength to stand up to the social "conservatives." (Note: I am not saying social conservatives don't deserve representation, just that their inclusion in a major party like the CPC scares off more votes than they contribute.)

Had the CPC been led by some one of the stature of Rona Ambrose, Ms. Feeland would be Leader of the opposition.

Ms. Freeland  vs Ms. Ambrose...now that would be an election for the ages. 

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4 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 a failed apprentice insurance salesman who did not have the strength to stand up to the social "conservatives." 

I'm not sure where you got the "failed apprentice insurance salesman" idea.   He was not a failed apprentice insurance salesman from what I read on Wikipedia.   Wikipedia says " In 2005, Scheer's blog as an MP listed that he was an accredited insurance broker,[23] and in 2007 the biography section on Scheer's MP website stated that he passed the Canadian Accredited Insurance Broker program in Saskatchewan and started his insurance industry career at Shenher Insurance in Regina.[16] During the 2019 election, when Scheer was Conservative leader, his biography on the party website stated that he had worked as an insurance broker.[24] Upon investigation The Globe and Mail found no evidence that he was ever accredited as an insurance broker.[25] Scheer responded to these claims by maintaining that he received accreditation for general insurance after leaving Shenher Insurance in Regina.[26] As of September 2019, the provincial regulator, Insurance Councils of Saskatchewan, was reviewing the matter.[26]"

Nothing at all about failing anything there.   He said he passed trhe Canadian Accredited Insurance Broker program in Saskatchewan and started his career at Shenher Insurance in Regina.  I take him at his word on that.  It doesn't sound like he did anything wrong there.  It is possible his completion of the insurance broker program was not registered with the provincial regulator and it says they were reviewing the matter.  Possible a paperwork or bureaucratic mistake or possibly someone did not send in his accreditation to record in the provincial regulator records..  But it looks like he was accredited.  I have no reason not to believe him on that.  He went to university and obtained a BA degree.  He was a fairly educated man and obtaining his accreditation as an insurance broker would not have been very difficult for him. 

I am not sure what you mean by not standing up to social conservatives.  He respects their views.  They have as much right to their views in the Conservative party as anyone else.  I think he respected other people's rights to their views.  Unfortunately Canada is more of a heathen nation and it appears on the surface most people do not support Christian principles. 

 

 

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I was overly harsh in my comment on Mr. Scheer. I was a supporter of him as leader of the CPC partly because his abilities demonstrated as Speaker and his climb to the leadership. 

As a Conservative, I struggle to support the socreds, but Mr. Scheer did demonstrate some Conservative values. However, the pro-life community do not reflect the majority of voters who are pro-choice. As much as Prime Minister Trudeau was hurt by the SNC Lavalin affair, the electorate still preferred more candidates not associated with the CPC. The fear that the CPC would not support a woman's right to chose or a person's right to marry a same gender partner likely swayed enough votes in various close ridings to keep the grits in power. Any Conservative with the gravitas to defeat the Liberals appears to be unwilling to take on the abuse and is unacceptable to the socred wing of the CPC.

Note to Nefarious Banana: A Canadian Federal election is actually 338 elections. Some ridings voted overwhelmingly for the CPC candidate while more candidates affiliated with the Liberals got just enough votes to win their constituencies. The popular vote only counts in individual ridings, not nationally.

As for the rumours, if anyone watched at issue last night, the panalists were unanamous in thee belief that the NDP are bluffing about pulling the plug. 

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20 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

By previous standards, today’s scandals are nothing. A $16 juice? The PM asks the AG to ask the prosecuted for a deferred prosecution and the AG replies no, not gonna happen and that’s the end of it. Compare that with a Minister of Customs being part of a smuggling ring and three cabinet members accepting bribes of furniture at the same time as the Parliamentary Secretary to PM Pearson offering a bribe to get a mafia hit man released and the Spenser affair. The Canadian government just doesn’t do scandals like they used to.

That $16 orange juice was sad. Where she came from, a glass of fresh orange juice would cost alot more. Then the media runs the unflattering picture of her with a cig hanging out of her mouth. And the $100.000 so called Duffy scandal that the media kept it front page for 3 yrs. And with what goes on now and people just look the other way. What a pathetic country we have become. Trudeau supporters are no different than Trump supporters.

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2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

That wasn't in question.  Popular vote is only an indication. Trudeau is detested, popular vote confirms that.

You didn't ask a question, you made a statement.

He may be disliked (he only lost the popular vote by a mere 2% by the way) but, he won, and lives happily ever after thanks to the NDP.

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30 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

That wasn't in question.  Popular vote is only an indication. Trudeau is detested, popular vote confirms that.

The Prime Minister is not elected. We vote for an individual running for Parliament in our own riding.

Justin Trudeau won his election in Papineau with 50.3% of the votes, roughly ten times the number of votes as his CPC opponent received. The confidence of the House of commons he receved from othe MP's, led to his appointment as Prime Minister. Who becomes Prime Minister is not based on a popular vote. It is the person who has the confidence of the HoC and the King.

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On 12/14/2022 at 2:33 PM, Army Guy said:

To be honest this has been a liberal riding for the last 3 elections, and the running Candidate was not Pierre, but a conservative hopeful. not going to lie it would have been nice to win this seat, but as we have seen before in federal national elections anything can happen.

Right now, the man the left said would never win an federal election is polling above 36 % of the vote...whats Justins numbers again you don't have to be scared, but concerned would be a better term. 

Most polls he's 33 or 34 lol 36 in one I seen yes 

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16 minutes ago, Jack9000 said:

Most polls he's 33 or 34 lol 36 in one I seen yes 

Shit how did a man that was so unelectable get so popular, and it is not even election time... Gaining ground in Ontario is the one you should be watching, the liberals down a full 10 %, and the cons with 39 % lead, shit even women are starting to come around. 

 

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4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Prime Minister is not elected. We vote for an individual running for Parliament in our own riding.

Justin Trudeau won his election in Papineau with 50.3% of the votes, roughly ten times the number of votes as his CPC opponent received. The confidence of the House of commons he receved from othe MP's, led to his appointment as Prime Minister. Who becomes Prime Minister is not based on a popular vote. It is the person who has the confidence of the HoC and the King.

You mean the confidence he got from his fathers name is what got him the nod from the Liberal party of Canada. HoC and the king had nothing to do with it. That and the fact liberal voters are very tolerant on people who lie and deceive the masses, and they love incompetence as well.  

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4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You mean the confidence he got from his fathers name is what got him the nod from the Liberal party of Canada. HoC and the king had nothing to do with it. That and the fact liberal voters are very tolerant on people who lie and deceive the masses, and they love incompetence as well.  

Hey, what ever works.?

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On 12/16/2022 at 6:43 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

it tarnished the PM's reputation.

"tarnished", right. That's all responsibility the entitled elites can think of. In some places, it could have been investigated, and if found (we never got to know, a sore parody of a parliamentary inquiry was closed prematurely by the same party being "investigated"), prosecuted as political interference with justice, real, unadorned third world stuff where a serious business buddy calls minister calls prosecutor in the case.

Canada politics were designed from day one on three founding principles: zero real accountability for governments and bureaucrats; entrenchment and isolation from any real competition; and outrageous entitlement at the public expense. Clearly a modern democracy cannot function like that it goes against its core values. And it will not.

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8 hours ago, myata said:

"tarnished", right. That's all responsibility the entitled elites can think of. In some places, it could have been investigated, and if found (we never got to know, a sore parody of a parliamentary inquiry was closed prematurely by the same party being "investigated"), prosecuted as political interference with justice, real, unadorned third world stuff where a serious business buddy calls minister calls prosecutor in the case.

Canada politics were designed from day one on three founding principles: zero real accountability for governments and bureaucrats; entrenchment and isolation from any real competition; and outrageous entitlement at the public expense. Clearly a modern democracy cannot function like that it goes against its core values. And it will not.

So, again, what do you offer as a solution, that will also respect our heritage?

Your question about "serious business buddy calls minister calls prosecutor in the case..." ignores the fact that the minister refused to call the prosecutor. There is no evidence that a crime was committed by the government, or any political interference with justice, so what is your point?

What sort of competition to the government do you suggest?

People lobby the government all the time. Everytime you write to your MP or a minister to urge a change in policy such as wanting more accountability, you are lobbying. Your union lobbies the government for better labour laws. Retirees lobby the government for better benifits. The organizations of gun owners lobby the government over firearms control. 

So how would this "modern democracy work? What form would this accountability take that would be different from what we have now?

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So, again, what do you offer as a solution, that will also respect our heritage?

Many things can be discussed if there's a possibility, even remote, of a real change. Otherwise, no point to waste time and bits.

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

ignores the fact that the minister refused to call the prosecutor.

Would the next minister do the same? Did we squeeze in by sheer luck? Would it work next time? How would we know?

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

There is no evidence that a crime was committed by the government, or any political interference with justice

See above: how do we know? Who has any confidence in the process, fully controlled by the same supposedly "investigated" government? "third world bells, third world bells jingle louder still.."

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What sort of competition to the government do you suggest?

Open, free and honest one free for entry of new political interests, ideas and forces.

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So how would this "modern democracy work?

That answer takes involvement; interest; intelligence; responsibility and effort on the part of not just political class but active, civic society. So it's still out there... somewhere.

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On 12/14/2022 at 12:17 PM, West said:

Lol.. the experts made many lose a bunch of money by shutting down their business for a virus they knew they'd never be able to control.. 

These folks aren't intelligent.. they are imbeciles

You're assuming that their goal wasn't to decimate small businesses and to pump up the big box stores, Amazon, etc. I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing.  

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