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So you favour tolerance, except when it comes time to practicing freedom of religion as guaranteed in the Charter of Rights?

Of course I favour freedom of religion and that includes defending the freedom of Harper and his supporters to be intolerant and hate lesbians if that's what their religion preaches. But the irrational fear that religious people will be arrested for hating gays

is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party. The Bible already says hateful things about other ethnic groups and religions but Harper and the Bible thumpers don't seem to have irrational fears about being arrested for preaching on those issues. They seem only to be worried about arrests for saying hateful things about gays and lesbians. Too bad Harper has allowed the religious zealots in his party to decide what issues are important to him. No wonder Canadians will reject him at the polls.

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Of course I favour freedom of religion and that includes defending the freedom of Harper and his supporters to be intolerant and hate lesbians if that's what their religion preaches. But the irrational fear that religious people will be arrested for hating gays

is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party. The Bible already says hateful things about other ethnic groups and religions but Harper and the Bible thumpers don't seem to have irrational fears about being arrested for preaching on those issues.  They seem only to be worried about arrests for saying hateful things about gays and lesbians.  Too bad Harper has allowed the religious zealots in his party to decide what issues are important to him.  No wonder Canadians will reject him at the polls.

Your support of freedom of religion is a mile wide but only skin deep since you use words to describe religious people like bible thumpers, religious zealots and haters of lesbians. Please cite examples about the Bible saying hateful things about other ethnic groups, I suspect your use of the word 'hate' might simply mean descriptions you don't agree with.

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So you favour tolerance, except when it comes time to practicing freedom of religion as guaranteed in the Charter of Rights?

Of course I favour freedom of religion and that includes defending the freedom of Harper and his supporters to be intolerant and hate lesbians if that's what their religion preaches. But the irrational fear that religious people will be arrested for hating gays

is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party. The Bible already says hateful things about other ethnic groups and religions but Harper and the Bible thumpers don't seem to have irrational fears about being arrested for preaching on those issues. They seem only to be worried about arrests for saying hateful things about gays and lesbians. Too bad Harper has allowed the religious zealots in his party to decide what issues are important to him. No wonder Canadians will reject him at the polls.

Ahhhh I don't have a problem with people that promote hate or inequality on a systemic basis to be prosecuted by the courts... Whats the problem with that? If you don't agree with someones sexuality too bad.

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Great post Sharkman.

Typical of the left. You are a bad, bad person if you don't like the constitutional rights we think are correct. At the same time we will denegrate you and use offensive terminology and hatred to demean those who exercise their constitutional rights we don't agree in.

Your support of freedom of religion is a mile wide but only skin deep since you use words to describe religious people like bible thumpers, religious zealots and haters of lesbians.  Please cite examples about the Bible saying hateful things about other ethnic groups, I suspect your use of the word 'hate' might simply mean descriptions you don't agree with.

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So you favour tolerance, except when it comes time to practicing freedom of religion as guaranteed in the Charter of Rights? Can you please provide us with a list of all the freedoms guaranteed in the Charter you support and those which you oppose?
This issue has especially inflamed voters in Quebec and BC who believe such intolerance, motivated by irrational religious motives, are not the characteristics they want in a Prime Minster.  :angry:

Fortunately, none of the contenders for PM exhibit those characteristics.

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Ahhh scribs, you miss the point. If you support the Liberals or NDs it is fair to call somebody intolerant for whatever view they have you don't like. "It's about the Charter, stupid." Applies when it is those sections of the Charter they like.

I also agree that none of the national leaders are truly intolerant, of rights guaranteed in the Charter. They don't appear to have much time for each other though.

Fortunately, none of the contenders for PM exhibit those characteristics.

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Yeah that's what keeps us up at night: finding ways to piss of the Yanks (who never seem to notice or care anyway). :rolleyes:

Black Dog,

If I had to guess who, on this forum, stays up nights thinking up potent articles to piss off the Yanks and then publishing here the potent ones that, out of fear of being bombed, even Al Jazeera wouldn't print, it would be you, RD.

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Bill C-250 was not about hate crimes, ie gay-bashing, except figuratively. It was about hate propaganda. Adding gays to the hate speech laws would have made it a crime to say things unflattering about homosexuals or homosexuality.

What Harper is clearly worried about are politically active homosexuals trying to get religious figures arrested for merely preaching what is in their religious books. And there is no question whatsoever this would have happened.

C-250 added sexual orientation to the list of criteria in hate crimes legislation. The legislation is now in place because the Liberals, NDP and PQ unanimously supported it.

It is not a crime to say unflattering things about homosexuals nor was it a crime before C-250. However, if someone physically assaults or murders an individual merely because he's gay, C-250 stiffened the penalties.

Excuse me. Is English a foreign language to you? I have already told you several times that C-250 had nothing to do with acts. It amended SS318 of the Criminal code which is strictly related to hate speech, to advocating violence, not to commiting it.

Bill C-250

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is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party.

Weren't you going to give me a number for all these "religious zealots" that are "surrounding" the Tories? And a definition of just what you think a religious zealot is?

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While he is at it he can provide that list of which rights guaranteed in the Charter are important and which are disposable! :lol:

is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party.

Weren't you going to give me a number for all these "religious zealots" that are "surrounding" the Tories? And a definition of just what you think a religious zealot is?

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Bill C-250 was not about hate crimes, ie gay-bashing, except figuratively. It was about hate propaganda. Adding gays to the hate speech laws would have made it a crime to say things unflattering about homosexuals or homosexuality.

The other day, a priest in Norway, I believe it was, was finally found not guilty of hate crimes by their supreme court. He had preached in his church, against homosexual acts (as opposed to homosexuals). He was earlier acquitted by a court, then convicted on appeal. The main reason the supreme court found him not guilty was because, they said, it was most unlikely a conviction would be sustained by the European Court.

Granted, people in many European nations, having had socialist party rule for some time, have far and away less personal freedoms than we have here. There is little freedom of speech, for example, on "sensitive" issues. You can literally go to jail for years for speaking or writing an unflattering opinion about some kind of minority. In France, any private citizen or group can sue anyone who says anything unflattering about their minority group. And organized ethnic groups have done just that to silence voices which might otherwise say things they didn't like. The mere threat of the suit is usually enough to stifle free speech.

What Harper is clearly worried about are politically active homosexuals trying to get religious figures arrested for merely preaching what is in their religious books. And there is no question whatsoever this would have happened.

I'm surprised news of this spread so quick. I was just in Sweden this afternoon (it was in Sweden not Norway) and I thought it might be interesting to add that the priest was quite apologetic in his statements to the press. It seemed to me like it was due to public pressure as the vast majority of Swedes thought he was out of line by using the particular words he chose.

Religious sermons are being censored for political reasons all over the world, even Saudi muslim clerics are more tempered in their deilivery these days. No more Jew bashing.

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There is really nothing for the liberals to base their accusations and 'labels of religious right wing extremists'  on etc. etc.    One think I'll say about Harper, he keeps his religion and views private

Oh really? Then why did Harper and his party vote against C-250?

And why has he promised to revisit C-38? And why does the party have a huge number of religious zealots, anti-abortionists and Focus on the Family types running in this election? See:

http://www.valleysceptic.com/conservatives...by_zealots.html

Seing as how your link doesn't work, could you provide us with exactly how many "religious zealots" are in the Conservative party? Also, what constitutes a religious zealot? Someone who goes to church?

I'm not sure what happened to the link. The portion of the link I typed was conservatives_hijacked_by_zealots but when it appeared on mapleleafweb it became conservatives...by zealots

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is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party.

Weren't you going to give me a number for all these "religious zealots" that are "surrounding" the Tories? And a definition of just what you think a religious zealot is?

Just drive by slander, underhanded methods of demeaning a party instead of sticking to discussing actual policy and platform.

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is one which seems to be unique to the religious zealots and Bible thumpers surrounding Harper and his party.

Weren't you going to give me a number for all these "religious zealots" that are "surrounding" the Tories? And a definition of just what you think a religious zealot is?

Read the valleyspeptic.com article about religious zealots to get a better idea of the type of person being described.

And according to the Campaign Life Coalition, there are 53 CPC MPs who share their negative positions on abortion, stem cell research and same sex marriage.

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That's a perfectly reasonable compromise, I believe that's the type of law that Elton is going to use to form a union with his partner.  If Elton thinks it's okay, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Compromise? You refer to taking away someone's right to marry as a compromise.

The last time I heard someone referring to removal of human rights as a "compromise" was when I read a history of German legislation between 1933 and 1945.

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Compromise:  not having any union at all vs full blown marriage = civil union.  If Elton's not squawking about it, maybe it's a good thing.  Let's remember, the vast majority of nations don't have any kind of gay marriage at all.  Maybe we went too far.

This guys obviously a one issue person, no depth, shallow innuendo. Just attack and call names. He's sure brought down the level of these forums in a hurry.

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Compromise?  You refer to taking away someone's right to marry as a compromise.

The last time I heard someone referring to removal of human rights as a "compromise" was when I read a history of German legislation between 1933 and 1945.

This sounds serious.

Norman, should we cut all relations with Japan, France and Russia since these countries don't accept gay marriage?

Norm, if ordinary Canadians buy products (eg. wine and cheese) from countries such as France where gays cannot marry, does this mean ordinary Canadians are racists?

Should we cut trade relations with racist, apartheid countries like France and Italy?

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